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2012/04/24 13:44:38 (permalink)

When trying to help people on the forum

Do people even read the other responses before they post, or do they mainly just read (or skim) the OP and then answer with their own wisdom? 
 
I guess I'm just in a bad mood today.  check my mood ring - it's prolly black!

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Re:When trying to help people on the forum 2012/04/24 13:49:13 (permalink)
If it's for help (i.e. Sonar related) I do the best I can to read everything first. Unless I'm amused along the way, but even then I go back and finish all the posts.

In the songs forum, I DO NOT read any responses first so that I can reply with a fresh mind and a fresh set of ears. 
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Re:When trying to help people on the forum 2012/04/24 13:55:16 (permalink)
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If it's for help (i.e. Sonar related) I do the best I can to read everything first. Unless I'm amused along the way, but even then I go back and finish all the posts.

In the songs forum, I DO NOT read any responses first so that I can reply with a fresh mind and a fresh set of ears. 

I do the same.
 
but for sonar related problems I'm trying to help with - you can tell from the posts after mine that they didn't read my post.  it's frustrating to me.

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Re:When trying to help people on the forum 2012/04/24 13:57:16 (permalink)

I understand.
Seems like 'someone' needs to reorg the X1 forum into something 'everyone' can benefit from.


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Re:When trying to help people on the forum 2012/04/24 14:00:05 (permalink)
Depends really on how much time there is between the posts.

For example, in your HP/Microsoft meltdown thread, I started responding to you as soon as I saw your post before anyone else had responded, but by the time I did my spell checking, and rearranging my post so nobody would take anything the wrong way and jump me, there were 9 responses to your question while I had been typing.

Then, there are some threads that I skip over some of the responses from certain members because I just don't want to hear what they have to say 'cause it's never anything good.



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Re:When trying to help people on the forum 2012/04/24 14:02:35 (permalink)
Bub - that's completely understandable.  I have no problems with that at all.  it's the ones where there's an hour or more between posts and the ones at the end are posting the same thing as others above as if it were the first time it was posted, OR worse, you can tell they ignored the posts above and they post replies which are contradictory and incorrect.

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Re:When trying to help people on the forum 2012/04/24 14:05:14 (permalink)
Hi,
 
I read them, and reply to them as they hit me. Thus you might see two or three responses on the same thread but they are mostly different.
 
But it matters not to Bapu! Or anyone else, I have found out!
 
We're such good replicants!

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Re:When trying to help people on the forum 2012/04/24 14:11:16 (permalink)
I don't know what any of you, including the OP just said, because I just closed my eyes while clicking on a link.  Once here, I made a point of only reading the fred title.  I found that it keeps my ignorance fresh and irrelevant.  Once here, I will wander off in completely unrelated, often nonsensical directions with no thought whatsoever about whether or not you would want to Read my totally brainless post.

So, I usually prefer to take showers rather than a bath.  I mean, sure, the bubbles are nice, but the water gets cold after awhile.  Anyhow, I wanted to warn you that if you choose to bathe in pineapple juice, those pineapple chunks can become a slipping hazard when you attempt to emerge.  You also end up needing to repeat your story multiple times at the doctor's office later.  I don't think they really were listening the first few times.

Some people just don't know how to properly follow a conversation.

Anyway, hope that helps.
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Re:When trying to help people on the forum 2012/04/24 14:14:35 (permalink)
I always read until I get to the end before replying, but I may just skim some of the wordy posts.

But I think it's the same kind of thing that causes new people to ask the same obvious questions that they would see have been covered over and over and over if they had bothered to do a search. 

It just doesn't occur to some people that other people might have the same ideas as them (or even exist).

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Re:When trying to help people on the forum 2012/04/24 14:33:46 (permalink)
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I always read until I get to the end before replying, but I may just skim some of the wordy posts.

But I think it's the same kind of thing that causes new people to ask the same obvious questions that they would see have been covered over and over and over if they had bothered to do a search. 

It just doesn't occur to some people that other people might have the same ideas as them (or even exist).
 
that's exactly the way I feel when they do that.
 
I also tend to get annoyed when I've offered good advice, maybe different from others and maybe not necessarily "the answer" but something good to try and the OP ignores my advice, ignores my post and responds to others as if I were a blocked user or something.  what's the point of helping if you're going to be ignored?
 
I don't mind being wrong.  but I do mind when someone asks a question and then they refuse to even acknowledge you tried to help.

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Re:When trying to help people on the forum 2012/04/24 15:10:51 (permalink)
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I also tend to get annoyed when I've offered good advice, maybe different from others and maybe not necessarily "the answer" but something good to try and the OP ignores my advice, ignores my post and responds to others as if I were a blocked user or something.  what's the point of helping if you're going to be ignored? 
 
I don't mind being wrong.  but I do mind when someone asks a question and then they refuse to even acknowledge you tried to help.
I've had that happen too. Sometimes maybe it's because they just didn't like what I was advising. Sometimes maybe your post got stepped on and lost in the shuffle. Maybe the cause is inadvertent; maybe it's bad communication; maybe it's bad manners.

Regardless, even if they don't recognize and/or appreciate your help and good intentions, I promise you some of us do.

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Re:When trying to help people on the forum 2012/04/24 15:22:58 (permalink)


thanks Drew!

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Re:When trying to help people on the forum 2012/04/24 15:34:06 (permalink)
I try to read it all, post my suggestion if I think I have something to add, and I try to not take it personally if I'm ignored or called a fool. I'm not always successful at not taking it personally. Incidentally, I've lost my mood ring. I don't know how I feel about that.

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Re:When trying to help people on the forum 2012/04/24 15:39:14 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
Beag,  you're appreciated by everyone that matters.

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Re:When trying to help people on the forum 2012/04/24 15:40:01 (permalink)
I always try to read all replies before I add my 2 pence/cents/shekels in.

Sometimes that's not easy, sometimes you still have to wade though a load of guff, other times people writes essays of irrelevant information (not you Danny!), and sometimes you just know which way it's going, and I'll have a better solution (sometimes) in my head (mostly?)  but I want to ensure nobody's beat me to it.

There's nothing worse than reading a thread, someone answers and you think "yeah, good call", and the same answer is repeated at least once, maybe twice - or more - and I think to myself then, did anybody read his/her reply?

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Re:When trying to help people on the forum 2012/04/24 15:40:04 (permalink)
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I try to read it all, post my suggestion if I think I have something to add, and I try to not take it personally if I'm ignored or called a fool. I'm not always successful at not taking it personally. Incidentally, I've lost my mood ring. I don't know how I feel about that.

well it pi$$es me off! 
 
 
 
 
 


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Re:When trying to help people on the forum 2012/04/24 16:23:02 (permalink)
I try to read them all first.  I like Bapu's idea of not reading the Song posts first but I do anyway.  Once I start commenting though, I keep it as honest and sincere as I can because I know how we all like to know our work is appreciated. 

It bugs me too when I reply and don't receive any response outside of the Song forum.  I don't think I am witty enough to get every thing I write responded to.  Sometimes I think people get bothered with others and so they refuse to respond.  
I am sure there are many reasons why.  

However, I really do try to praise everyone that is trying to help others in one way or another.  I think I am going on too long now.  

Have a good day/night whereever you are!

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Re:When trying to help people on the forum 2012/04/24 16:24:41 (permalink)
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Beag,  you're appreciated by everyone that matters.
I second that opinion
 
I third that opinion
 
I fourth that opinion
 
I fifth opinion
 
(glug glub)
 
... and now I can see Karyn calling me another ... IDIOT!
 
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post edited by Moshkiae - 2012/04/24 16:27:03

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Re:When trying to help people on the forum 2012/04/24 16:29:10 (permalink)
Beagle


   I don't mind being wrong.  but I do mind when someone asks a question and then they refuse to even acknowledge you tried to help. 


Which is why I don't bother anymore. Far too many ignorant one post wonders on here.

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Re:When trying to help people on the forum 2012/04/24 16:34:37 (permalink)
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Do people even read the other responses before they post, or do they mainly just read (or skim) the OP and then answer with their own wisdom? 
 
I guess I'm just in a bad mood today.  check my mood ring - it's prolly black!


I feel exactly the same about it, then I figure if the poster got the help he needed then it's all good.

Having said that I often come across one in particular and it's like having a parrot on your shoulder...

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Re:When trying to help people on the forum 2012/04/24 16:37:19 (permalink)
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I try to read it all, post my suggestion if I think I have something to add, and I try to not take it personally if I'm ignored or called a fool. I'm not always successful at not taking it personally. Incidentally, I've lost my mood ring. I don't know how I feel about that.


I've never known you post something that isn't in addition to what's already been put forward.

Most often you throw some great and knowledgeable stuff into the mix.

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Re:When trying to help people on the forum 2012/04/24 16:37:24 (permalink)

 
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Re:When trying to help people on the forum 2012/04/24 16:37:28 (permalink)
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Beagle


Do people even read the other responses before they post, or do they mainly just read (or skim) the OP and then answer with their own wisdom? 

I guess I'm just in a bad mood today.  check my mood ring - it's prolly black!


I feel exactly the same about it, then I figure if the poster got the help he needed then it's all good.

Having said that I often come across one in particular and it's like having a parrot on your shoulder...
no, it doesn't bother me as much if they ignore me but resolved their problem with something someone else said.  it's when they continue interacting with the others in the forum trying to resolve their problem but they didn't even try what I suggested or even acknowledge I suggested something that gets me.


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Re:When trying to help people on the forum 2012/04/24 16:39:26 (permalink)
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Jonbouy


Beagle


Do people even read the other responses before they post, or do they mainly just read (or skim) the OP and then answer with their own wisdom? 

I guess I'm just in a bad mood today.  check my mood ring - it's prolly black!


I feel exactly the same about it, then I figure if the poster got the help he needed then it's all good.

Having said that I often come across one in particular and it's like having a parrot on your shoulder...
no, it doesn't bother me as much if they ignore me but resolved their problem with something someone else said.  it's when they continue interacting with the others in the forum trying to resolve their problem but they didn't even try what I suggested or even acknowledge I suggested something that gets me.


Me too.  I sometimes think I'm on a few peoples block list...

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Re:When trying to help people on the forum 2012/04/24 16:44:09 (permalink)
Well... allow me to use this thread as an example.... I started to read the OP by Beagle, about half way through I figured out that I didn't need to read the rest of it....don't bother to point out that it was only two sentences either...... so....

I skipped to the first reply..... started to read that, realized who the postee was,  and then skipped to the second one..... by then I had formed a brilliant idea and proceeded to the end....HERE... to post said brilliance.  One the way I did stop to read the first 3 words of one or two other posts....... 

That answer the question for ya? 

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Re:When trying to help people on the forum 2012/04/24 16:46:59 (permalink)
I can't add anything fresh or insightful to this post.

+30 to what they said.

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Re:When trying to help people on the forum 2012/04/24 16:48:27 (permalink)
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Re:When trying to help people on the forum 2012/04/24 17:58:47 (permalink)
did you try toggling the interleave?

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Re:When trying to help people on the forum 2012/04/24 18:33:31 (permalink)
pwal


did you try toggling the interleave?


Blimey.

Yeah but not until 14 pages later...

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Re:When trying to help people on the forum 2012/04/24 18:50:32 (permalink)
Jonbouy


Beagle


Jonbouy


Beagle


Do people even read the other responses before they post, or do they mainly just read (or skim) the OP and then answer with their own wisdom? 

I guess I'm just in a bad mood today.  check my mood ring - it's prolly black!


I feel exactly the same about it, then I figure if the poster got the help he needed then it's all good.

Having said that I often come across one in particular and it's like having a parrot on your shoulder...
no, it doesn't bother me as much if they ignore me but resolved their problem with something someone else said.  it's when they continue interacting with the others in the forum trying to resolve their problem but they didn't even try what I suggested or even acknowledge I suggested something that gets me.


Me too.  I sometimes think I'm on a few peoples block list...
I sometimes will try to  help someone but usually it is about something that I may know about on a visceral level but cannot explain on a technical level.  It is like I have an aphasia thing with this...


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