Session Drummer 3 cont. Proof Pudding

As per the Session Drummer 3 threads lately, here is a modified SFZ.
 
You have to copy the text that follows into a text editor and save as an SFZ file for example "SS dry snare.sfz".
 
If you want to hear a clear example of the difference between the stock programming and my edited version try the following. Open the "Downtown.cwp" file included with Sonar. Mute all instruments except the drums. Open Session Drummer and load the Steven Slate Old Zep program. Route the midi drum track thru SDrummer and listen to  the snare. Now right click on the snare in SDrummer and load the SFZ I sent. Listen again. Night and day. You'll hear things that are clearly missing.
 
This is -not- what I would consider a finished edit but due to the whining and questioning of certain people here I'm posting this now in hopes that they'll back off and realize this is not some trivial joke. Maybe then I/we can get along with dealing with the actual issues again.
 
 The following is the content of the modified SFZ:
 
//  sfz definition file
//  (c) Zyler Vega Cakewalk, Inc 2009
//  Steven Slate - Old Zep Kit
//  Modified by SToons
 
 
//========================rimshot
<group>
key=37
group=37
polyphony=1
rt_decay=6.500
volume=-10
ampeg_release=2
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\SideStickZ1Soft1.wav
lovel=0
hivel=43
lorand=0.0
hirand=0.25
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\SideStickZ1Soft2.wav
lovel=0
hivel=43
lorand=0.25
hirand=0.5
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\SideStickZ1Soft3.wav
lovel=0
hivel=43
lorand=0.5
hirand=0.75
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\SideStickZ1Soft4.wav
lovel=0
hivel=43
lorand=0.75
hirand=1.0
//---
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\SideStickZ1Medium1.wav
lovel=44
hivel=86
lorand=0.0
hirand=0.25
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\SideStickZ1Medium2.wav
lovel=44
hivel=86
lorand=0.25
hirand=0.5
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\SideStickZ1Medium3.wav
lovel=44
hivel=86
lorand=0.5
hirand=0.75
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\SideStickZ1Medium4.wav
lovel=44
hivel=86
lorand=0.75
hirand=1.0
//---
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\SideStickZ1Hard1.wav
lovel=87
hivel=127
lorand=0.0
hirand=0.25
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\SideStickZ1Hard2.wav
lovel=87
hivel=127
lorand=0.25
hirand=0.5
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\SideStickZ1Hard3.wav
lovel=87
hivel=127
lorand=0.5
hirand=0.75
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\SideStickZ1Hard4.wav
lovel=87
hivel=127
lorand=0.75
hirand=1.0
 
//========================snare1
<group>
key=38
group=38
polyphony=1
rt_decay=6.500
volume=50
ampeg_release=2
amp_veltrack=99
amp_velcurve_1=0.01
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1UltraSoft1.wav
lovel=0
hivel=26
lorand=0.0
hirand=0.25
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1UltraSoft2.wav
lovel=0
hivel=26
lorand=0.25
hirand=0.5
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1UltraSoft3.wav
lovel=0
hivel=26
lorand=0.5
hirand=0.75
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1UltraSoft4.wav
lovel=0
hivel=26
lorand=0.75
hirand=1.0
//---
<group>
key=38
group=38
polyphony=1
rt_decay=6.500
volume=50
ampeg_release=2
amp_veltrack=99
amp_velcurve_1=0.01
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1Soft1.wav
lovel=27
hivel=51
lorand=0.0
hirand=0.25
volume=15
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1Soft2.wav
lovel=27
hivel=51
lorand=0.25
hirand=0.5
volume=15
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1Soft3.wav
lovel=27
hivel=51
lorand=0.5
hirand=0.75
volume=15
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1Soft4.wav
lovel=27
hivel=51
lorand=0.75
hirand=1.0
volume=15
//---
<group>
key=38
group=38
polyphony=1
rt_decay=6.500
volume=19
ampeg_release=2
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1Medium1.wav
lovel=52
hivel=77
lorand=0.0
hirand=0.25
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1Medium2.wav
lovel=52
hivel=77
lorand=0.25
hirand=0.5
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1Medium3.wav
lovel=52
hivel=77
lorand=0.5
hirand=0.75
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1Medium4.wav
lovel=52
hivel=77
lorand=0.75
hirand=1.0
//---
<group>
key=38
group=38
polyphony=1
rt_decay=6.500
ampeg_release=2
volume=13
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1Hard1.wav
lovel=78
hivel=102
lorand=0.0
hirand=0.25
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1Hard2.wav
lovel=78
hivel=102
lorand=0.25
hirand=0.5
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1Hard3.wav
lovel=78
hivel=102
lorand=0.5
hirand=0.75
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1Hard4.wav
lovel=78
hivel=102
lorand=0.75
hirand=1.0
//---
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1Crack1.wav
lovel=103
hivel=127
lorand=0.0
hirand=0.25
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1Crack2.wav
lovel=103
hivel=127
lorand=0.25
hirand=0.5
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1Crack3.wav
lovel=103
hivel=127
lorand=0.5
hirand=0.75
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1Crack4.wav
lovel=103
hivel=127
lorand=0.75
hirand=1.0
 
//========================snare2
<group>
key=40
group=38
polyphony=1
rt_decay=6.500
volume=50
ampeg_release=2
amp_veltrack=99
amp_velcurve_1=0.01
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1UltraSoft1.wav
lovel=0
hivel=26
lorand=0.0
hirand=0.25
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1UltraSoft2.wav
lovel=0
hivel=26
lorand=0.25
hirand=0.5
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1UltraSoft3.wav
lovel=0
hivel=26
lorand=0.5
hirand=0.75
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1UltraSoft4.wav
lovel=0
hivel=26
lorand=0.75
hirand=1.0
//---
<group>
key=40
group=38
polyphony=1
rt_decay=6.500
volume=50
ampeg_release=2
amp_veltrack=99
amp_velcurve_1=0.01
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1Soft1.wav
lovel=27
hivel=51
lorand=0.0
hirand=0.25
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1Soft2.wav
lovel=27
hivel=51
lorand=0.25
hirand=0.5
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1Soft3.wav
lovel=27
hivel=51
lorand=0.5
hirand=0.75
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1Soft4.wav
lovel=27
hivel=51
lorand=0.75
hirand=1.0
//---
<group>
key=40
group=38
polyphony=1
rt_decay=6.500
ampeg_release=2
volume=19
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1Medium1.wav
lovel=52
hivel=77
lorand=0.0
hirand=0.25
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1Medium2.wav
lovel=52
hivel=77
lorand=0.25
hirand=0.5
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1Medium3.wav
lovel=52
hivel=77
lorand=0.5
hirand=0.75
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1Medium4.wav
lovel=52
hivel=77
lorand=0.75
hirand=1.0
//---
<group>
key=40
group=38
polyphony=1
rt_decay=6.500
ampeg_release=2
volume=13
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1Hard1.wav
lovel=78
hivel=102
lorand=0.0
hirand=0.25
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1Hard2.wav
lovel=78
hivel=102
lorand=0.25
hirand=0.5
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1Hard3.wav
lovel=78
hivel=102
lorand=0.5
hirand=0.75
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1Hard4.wav
lovel=78
hivel=102
lorand=0.75
hirand=1.0
//---
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1Crack1.wav
lovel=103
hivel=127
lorand=0.0
hirand=0.25
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1Crack2.wav
lovel=103
hivel=127
lorand=0.25
hirand=0.5
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1Crack3.wav
lovel=103
hivel=127
lorand=0.5
hirand=0.75
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1Crack4.wav
lovel=103
hivel=127
lorand=0.75
hirand=1.0
 
//========================snareroll
<group>
key=39
group=38
off_by=38
rt_decay=6.500
ampeg_release=2
amp_veltrack=100
volume=-10
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1zRolls1.wav
lovel=0
hivel=127
lorand=0.0
hirand=0.25
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1zRolls2.wav
lovel=0
hivel=127
lorand=0.25
hirand=0.5
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1zRolls3.wav
lovel=0
hivel=127
lorand=0.5
hirand=0.75
<region>
sample=StevenSlate Snares\OldZepSnareZ1zRolls4.wav
lovel=0
hivel=127
lorand=0.75
hirand=1.0
 
 

i break-it-down while vomiting and dropping poodads upon this thread

Mystic38


There is zero degree of appropriateness in this group of threads. Essentially I see this as a lot of unwarranted garbage complaining over an easy to use  free instrument whose functionality and sound quality is deliberately and appropriately restricted...its free (duh!)
 
Got a problem?.. want something better?.. There is a whole range of instruments to choose from.. and speaking of instruments, I sincerely hope the mods move this rant thread group to the appropriate forum..which is "cakewalk Instruments"... not "Sonar X1"

+1
 
a new thread 3 days in a row now complaining about session drummer 3.
its packaged free in sonar x1 producer.
 
not to mention this isnt even in the right forum.
like mystic said,this is a cakewalk instrument.

SToons: Many, many thanks for your hard work! This will definitely be useful for me.

Regarding the remarks about SD3 being "free", while they don't have anything at all to do with the issue at hand, I feel the need to point out that there's something about this logic that I fail to see. In fact, as far as I can see, Cakewalk themselves are marketing the SD3 as a major selling point of the Producer edition over the Studio edition: http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/X1-Producer/feature.aspx/SONAR-X1-Comparison-Chart

Suppose there was such a strange programming error that the default ProChannel modules stopped working starting today. Would anyone shrug this off and think "they were just free add-ons, there is a multitude of third party plugins I can buy"?

SToons

Mystic38


There is zero degree of appropriateness in this group of threads. Essentially I see this as a lot of unwarranted garbage complaining over an easy to use  free instrument whose functionality and sound quality is deliberately and appropriately restricted...its free (duh!)
 
Got a problem?.. want something better?.. There is a whole range of instruments to choose from.. and speaking of instruments, I sincerely hope the mods move this rant thread group to the appropriate forum..which is "cakewalk Instruments"... not "Sonar X1"

This issue was well described and documented, I'm not running around saying Sessuion Drummer 3 sucks, I'm saying sample editing as a whole is questionable at times. I am also looking for others' input as to the editing of these programs thru SFZ format and other formats. You are quite incorrect, the instrument is not restricted nor is the sound quality. Where did you get that information?
 
Do you have anything positive to contribute?

Clearly i have more to contribute that you do.. this is the wrong forum for your complaints and diatribe.. and personally I see that a positive contribution to the Sonar X1 user community about a series of ranting threads posted IN THE WRONG PLACE..
 
As far as your rant.. samples are what samples are.. a product of the technique, equipment, environment, artist & sound engineer.. free and sample sets are budget constrained.. a walk-in drummer, cheap kit and a 4hr limit.. so yup.. that seems restricted to me...and why you dont understand this is beyond me... quality costs.
 
Did you ever wonder why a single sampled piano can cost upwards of $500?.. have you ever tried to sample instruments? do you have the remotest clue as to the hundreds of man hours, preparation, setup, recording, environment, acoustics & equipment required to produce high quality sample sets?...
 
At the end of the day if you dont like the sound of an instrument you buy another... its that simple, its not hard, nor is it a problem...
 

I'm totally with Jonsey and Grem on this too.
I read stoons posts and there was disappointment yes but to call it bitter ranting and diatribe is over reacting to say the least. It seems a few people took his post in utterly the wrong way and just wont let it go.
I've seen plenty of posts on here by Stoons that are very helpful and it's obvious he knows what he's talking about. 

Steve

Thanks guys (girls?) I do appreciate the thoughtful responses. For what it's worth I'm still working on the SD Old Zep Dry kit when I can. It's pretty frustrating at times but there are noticeable improvements. Another good example are the hats. Program in ten or so consecutive open hat hits at a velocity of 120 and the resulting hits have variations of up to 10dB because none of the samples were normalized or even matched in amplitude (sigh) so I have to dissect each individual hit, measure it and then compensate in a text file (sighs again). I suppose if one wants their drum programming to be automatically "humanized" to sound like someone having seizures this works well but I prefer just a tad more control. Frankly, if this was for my benefit only the solution would be a joke...de-flac the samples, batch normalize in Audition, map in Battery 2. End of story. When I'm done the SD editing I'll post the entire kit.

In this file do I need to add the first 4 lines?
 
I.E
 
//  sfz definition file
//  (c) Zyler Vega Cakewalk, Inc 2009
//  Steven Slate - Old Zep Kit
//  Modified by SToons
Or from the next line on? And thanks for the hard work... Oh have you done any more sfz stuff? Rock on
 
Doug

boy this was ugly,not because he posted these wonderful sfz's (whch now that I have edited my own have laearned to respect his work)

but it was the 2 posts before this that broke it wide open, 1 post a day 3 days in a row,dogging the samples in session drummer 3, it got old,so people, including myself,lashed out.

im sorry stones, your work here was a little over shadowed by the complaining in the previous threads, but in all honesty,you did good work here.

Paul P


Any line with "//" at the beginning is treated as a comment and ignored by the interpreter.

If you're only modifying the file for your own use it doesn't matter if these lines are present or not.
If you're going to do something public with the file, Id leave the lines there out of respect.

Paul P Thanks for the information,its sad for all his work on this file,people miss the message... Sincerely appricated...

chitownrocker

Paul P


Any line with "//" at the beginning is treated as a comment and ignored by the interpreter.

If you're only modifying the file for your own use it doesn't matter if these lines are present or not.
If you're going to do something public with the file, Id leave the lines there out of respect.

Paul P Thanks for the information,its sad for all his work on this file,people miss the message... Sincerely appricated...

you obviously don't get it either.
im greatful for his work as well.
 
its his childish temper tantrum that is uncalled for.
so is it sad?
 
not really
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2608339
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2607555

dubdisciple


Although I'm never a big fan of posters creating endless threads complaining about essentially the same thing, let's dispel the myth that SD3 is free. The exact value of it is nebulous, but "included with" and free are not the same thing. I realize some may see this as a matter of semantics, but i think it's important distinguish truly free things offered by Cakewalk (aka discontinued/unsupported products) and products that are considered current and marketed as part of the features. It's not like the OP is complaining about triangle II. This happens to be the current and only plugin solley dedicated to playing drums.

and I do agree with you on this  :)
even though I may not have last year when this rant was going on.
I think because he offended quite a few of us. 
 
my only problem to begin with was his disrespect for cakewalk bakers, lowering them. the names he used and things he said.
my other problem was his approach, there was no need to start calling people out, saying there not doing their job(might be in this thread,i don't know, there were 3 all together)
3 threads in a row, one each day.
there are ways to get your point across, then there are ways to be disrespectful to cakewalk.
 
and if you continue to read on you will see he was using sonar 8.5 not sonar x1 or x2
correct me if im wrong but there was a lot of extra content added in session from sonar 8.5 to sonar x1
not a gui change, but added content and possibly new changes to some of those samples.
 
so he was complaining about samples that had been released 4 years previous.
when I confronted him on it,he told me to get a life and learn how to read.
I didn't think I was being to out of line calling him on it.
 
I along with some others felt this was just picking something apart.
have you noticed the difference in velocity's in session drummer samples ?
I have not, but the steven slate kit I have a little.
he even said,not all of them, only the steven slate kit and a few other samples.
so why go on this rant about cakewalk is lazy and didn't finish the job,exc. ?
over the steven slate sizzle kit sfz's? serious ?
so im asking, do you think it warranted a 3 day, 3 threads rant on horrible sample editing by cakewalk ?
it was 3% percent of session drummers samples he was complaining about.
3% percent.
have you read some of the things he said in this thread I have posted the links too ?
 
very rude, ignorant and ugly.
even people trying to help with suggestions he just answered back with ignorant answers link."cant you read ? "
 
not needed.