I will take a new set of measurements tomorrow, then go through all the options to see if there is one.
You can't change it after you have saved it (The icon) with your measurements. AFAIK

Thanks guys.

Thanks for the kind words! The simulated monitoring is by far my favorite feature too. I travel and being able to check my mixes so easily is sweet.

Finally got around to using the new version and definitely an improvement!
Tighter bass and apparently better stereo separation.
(My kick drum is dead on centered now)
 

One question though, I'm 99.9% sure that I know what the "80's white" in the virtual list represents but what does the "90's black" represent?
 
What black monitor was popular in the 90's?

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STinGA


Obi, I seem to have a problem. 

I have taken 16 new measurements, but when I select the corrrection on and off with the new measurements I hear no difference even though there is significant differences in the curves. If I use the legacy measurements everything works as expected.

I have uninstalled and reinstalled and tried on different projects. 

Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance.

bapu


Here are the results of my 14 position measurement of my Mackie 824s.
 

My results with ARC2 looks like the one above, also it sounds more "open", I really don't know how to discribe it in other words. The results I have are from a totally untreated room :)
 
One thing I'm missing is to save the trim, did I miss anything?
 
 
Thanks IK!
 
 

gustabo


Finally got around to using the new version and definitely an improvement!
Tighter bass and apparently better stereo separation.
(My kick drum is dead on centered now)
 

One question though, I'm 99.9% sure that I know what the "80's white" in the virtual list represents but what does the "90's black" represent?
 
What black monitor was popular in the 90's?

The 90's Black represents the response of a Genelec 1031, which we happen to have in IK's Studio 1. 

LOL!

Awesome, how do you like it compared to Arc 1?

Well, for what it's worth, I'll give you guys my take. I've had so many people mail me and ask me about ARC 2...lol....they couldn't believe I didn't try it yet. I've had it for a while I just haven't had time to do the corrections. Tonight I did my Adam A-7's. Here are the corrections both ARC 1 and ARc 2 made for me. Not a drastic difference as you can tell.



HQ: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4909348/ARC%201%262.JPG

It DOES sound better, but that actually scares me. I have mixes that I messed up on purposely due to testing things. When I ran them through ARC 2, they sounded better and quite honestly, they shouldn't have. To me it seems to be hiding errors that are more difficult to hear now. What's weird is, it sounds nearly the same as ARC 1 for me. Toggling between the two, the only difference I hear is ARC 2 is a little tighter in the lows and mids and has a slight amount of high end sparkle. I like the way it sounds, but I don't know if I can trust it just yet.

I did quite a few corrections just to rule out any operator issues or errors. All of them came back sounding exactly the same except for one to where I had my sub turned up a bit too much.

ARC likes to remove low end. I had remembered that when I last did ARC 1, my mixes were coming out a bit bass heavy so I turned my sub up a few increments. I did my first correction with ARC 2 like that and forgot to turn the sub down to my "correction" setting. After that correction, I adjusted the sub and then after the correction was done, I turned the sub back up a few increments where I like it and my last batch of corrections are all exactly the same and sound the same.

This whole "better sounding" thing really does have me scared. I was working on a mix where I purposely put in some sub low experimenting with how much and how tight I could get it. The mix sounds cool but I over-did it just a little bit and it sounds like it on every set of monitors I own, in my car, on my pc speakers, on friends speakers....and even headphones.

ARC 2 makes it sound tighter than it really is so at this point, I'm not sure I can trust it just yet. ARC 1 shows the flaws in the mix instantly in the low end as well as the mids where ARC 2 just tightens it up so good, I'm VERY afraid to use it. I'm going to mess around some more though and see what the deal is. But it doesn't sound drastically different to me than ARC 1...it's just tighter like a multi-band comp is on my stuff or something. So far it's made my bad mixes sound good, and my good mixes sound great. I just don't know how to take that though at this point. LOL! I'll report back with anything new that I find out. I'll probably do the rest of my monitors tomorrow and see how they fair. But so far...I'm on the fence with this.

-Danny

IK Obi


Maybe its just getting used to the new ARC sound. Try another round of measuring and see if its different at all. Also how do you like the modeled playback systems? Ever check your mixes on car speakers or on a small boombox?

I did the correction several times between last night and this morning into the afternoon. Still exactly the same results. I'm not sure I can get used to this though Obi. It's definitely masking things that I know are wrong that I did purposely in a few situations. It's like...how can I explain this to you without sounding like I'm bashing it....honest I'm not.
 
When I buy monitors for my studio, I tend to go with monitors that give me an even response. Meaning, I don't want a set of monitors that may kick out extra rich bass....or a set that sounds too warm with mids or sparkling with highs. I want a set that gives me a nice dose of everything because I know if they sound too good, it's most likely going to cloud my vision when mixing. Every time I've purchased monitors based on how good they sounded, I've failed in my personal experience. So I tend to always go for something that gives me a bit of everything while keeping an even sound.
 
With ARC 2, it seems like it's tightened things up so good, it's too good. When I add sub low bass to something and I hear it on every system I have including systems that can't run ARC (as well as my systems that have ARC 1) like a car stereo, home stereo systems, boom box, other entertainment centers etc, I should be hearing that when using ARC 2. But, I'm not hearing it at all. Like it's rolled off too much low end or something and has tightned everything up the way a subtle multi-band comp would.
 
I did everything that I have always done. Mirror so I could set the mic at my nose/ears, selected the right mic during the correction stage, had the signal up to the K on OK, used a low latency setting on my soundcard, made sure input mic was disabled, measured every placement and did 16 each time, made sure I was out of the room and quiet for each test blast and got the same results each time.
 
It DOES sound super close to ARC 1. So close in fact, it's really not enough of a difference for me to say "This is better". But it does sound better....it's just not a better that I feel is the right representation of what I'm putting through it...if that makes sense at all? If I have something with a nice tight 50 Hz bass boost on it, I want to hear that...yet, ARC 2 seems to tighten it up. I hear it, but I don't feel it. ARC 1 on the same song, I hear it AND feel it. The highs on ARC 2 sparkle a bit more too. As you can see in my picture, it raised the high end on me where it should have left that more flat. When I drop that high end a few increments, it sounds more like ARC 1. See how ARC 1 has that top end to the right flat-lined? Why ARC 2 boosted that a bit is beyond me...but it did it every time and on every set of monitors. That little boost there makes a pretty big difference for me and can be the difference in a guitar sound being more harsh than it should be, or cymbals lashing out a bit too much. But the high end isn't what I'm worried about as much as what it's doing to my lows.
 
It's a cool piece, don't get me wrong...it's just not doing anything different than what I already have other than making me second guess my low end. Even with full bass response....it still falls a bit short when compared to ARC 1. It is clearer though....I'm just not so sure that type of "clearer" is the right representation for me. One thing I can say...whatever I hear through ARC 1, I hear everywhere. I'm terrified to mess with my well-oiled machine. But I'm going to do some testing and see for sure if it's helping me for the better or hurting me.
 
As for the modeled playback systems, unfortunately don't sound realistic to me at all. If I ever had a mix sound like mine do using them, I'd hang it up. LOL! When I play something on my boom box, it either sounds killer if it was mixed right, or it sounds bad. The boom box setting you guys have doesn't sound like the real one I have here. Same with the others...I can't judge anything listening on them as they don't sound anything remotely close to what I use. Lap top is about right though...but the others, not to my liking so far. Sorry if any of this sounds negative. You know how much I support this product...I just don't think there was enough of a substantial improvement to make it worth the upgrade...even though the price was more than fair and I don't feel I wasted any money.
 
One thing about me...when I fix something to where it works and I no longer have issues in a place where I once was ready to give it up....I don't mess with it. I haven't struggled with a mix since before ARC 1. I never second guess myself and I can mix something and make it acceptable in an hour or two for quickie ideas or rough mixes that have enough impact to sell a client or myself. ARC 2 is basically what I already have with a few more little tools with a similar sound that's a bit tighter sounding than ARC 1. That "tigher sounding" thing will need to be put through the paces though as I think it will hinder me instead of help me. I'll have more info some time this week. :)
 
-Danny

Have you tried the modeled speaker responses at all? I think ARC sounding too good is usually a good thing. Correcting the playback is exactly what ARC is made for. :

4 times the accuracy really shows. I'm loving how smooth the mids and highs are and the custom target curves are sweet. I make hip h op and prefer to hear a *lil* bit more bass but don't like to let that influence my mixes. So now I just add a bit in the correction and when I turn it off to render it is spot on.

Well not exactly the lowest, I set mine to about 60 hz for a bit more bottom end. Really helps when I'm using ARC in the production stages and not just mixing.

While using ARC 2 today I clicked the info button for grins. I was surprised to see it said:
VERSION 2.0 32-bit.

I am sure that I am running the 64 bit dll. I don't see the bit-bridge icon anywhere so I am wondering WHY the info page says 32-bit?

Anyone else noticed this? Any thoughts?

Kind regards,
Rick