Synthesis/HiHat

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2005/01/10 20:33:06 (permalink)

Synthesis/HiHat

i would like to be able to stretch a hihat sample to different lengths. or a cool synthesized hi hat would do for me just as well. i want the hi hat to be open and then close, so essentially i want to change the amount of time before the hi hat closes. any ideas greatly appreciated.

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    blipp
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    RE: Synthesis/HiHat 2005/01/10 20:41:46 (permalink)
    Try this free vsti called Drumatic 3. Great synthesised drum sounds and lots of knobs to twiddle to alter the sounds. It might give you the sound you're after. I love it.
    http://www.e-phonic.com/vstplugins/drumatic_3.html
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    three_eyed_otter
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    RE: Synthesis/HiHat 2005/01/10 20:45:22 (permalink)
    thanks blipp,

    i give it a shot and see whats up.

    have a good one
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    b rock
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    RE: Synthesis/HiHat 2005/01/10 22:44:25 (permalink)
    I feel like I might be missing something in your question, Bryan, but here's one solution, as I read it. When I think of opening/closing hi-hats, the choke groups in something like the Velocity synth come to mind. I might approach the solution by mangling one of the .wavs that come with the kits in P5 by running through the DS864's Pitch EG and filters, then recording & exporting the results as a .wav file.

    You might start with the original open hi-hat sound, or even a cymbal, for resynthesis in the DS864, and choke it off with a modified version of the closed hit-hat .wav drowning in FX [like the Spectral Transformer]. Reload both samples in a custom drum kit. That way, you could vary the length of the first sample's note length in P-Seq by the placement of the second sample, and still retain the basic envelope signature of the original sounds. The real trick would be to come up with a method of varying the "closed-ness" of second sample (perhaps with multiple closed samples?), to emulate what happens with a "real" hi-hat.

    Or perhaps you're looking to create a completely unique sustained tone that replaces an open hi-hat in practice. How about a slowed-down metal trash can lid? If you clamp down on it, you can derive the closed hi-hat from it, as well. I've got a Tibetan Singing Bowl here that would be perfect as a raw sample for manipulation. That sucker will sustain forever! With just the right amount of EQ and compression ...
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    three_eyed_otter
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    RE: Synthesis/HiHat 2005/01/11 09:54:57 (permalink)
    b rock,

    in my ventures to synthesize my own hihat sound in Albino 2 i was able to do some nice contortion by inverting the filter envelope. this approach was not what i was looking for but it did give me a new and useful sound. i was thinking i might have to do something like use the two sounds but i doubt i would have thought about using the choke group.
    The real trick would be to come up with a method of varying the "closed-ness" of second sample (perhaps with multiple closed samples?), to emulate what happens with a "real" hi-hat.


    i don't think i will need that much variation in the closed sound. the variation would come from the different lengths of the open hat (rhythmically). if do i need the variation i'll use the filter or pitch parameters in Velocity.

    i downloaded blipps suggestion and i'll give both suggestions a whirl today and let you guys know what i came up w/.\


    have a good one
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    RE: Synthesis/HiHat 2005/01/14 11:55:00 (permalink)
    ok,

    here's how everything turned out.

    my synthesis effort left a lot to be desired. i was able to create some cool and useful sound fx but i wasn't able to achieve the fx i was looking for.
    i turned my efforts to samples and began the mangling. i took an open hihat sample and stretched it 100% in Sonar. after normalizing i faded in the sample to get rid
    of the clangy transient. slapped a t-Racks compressor on it and maxed it out to phatten the signal and increase the release time. i pulled out the lexicon pantheon- which
    i hardly use - and placed a big wide vocal preset on it. i turned up the diffusion and did some other tweekin', reversed the order of the compressor and the reverb added a linear fade and bounced it down to a mono track. i then put the mangled sample back into Battery 2 and turned the bits down to 8 and tuned the sample up 2 semitones. i think? i'm not sure of the default tune in battery. my final step was to put it in a choke group w/a closed hihat. i got about 85% of the sound i was looking for and it is completely functional for the purpose it was intended for. that's my story and i'm stickin' to it.

    have a good one
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    RE: Synthesis/HiHat 2005/01/15 09:22:40 (permalink)
    any ideas greatly appreciated.


    ,,,,, but... why don't you play it,,



    ok,

    here's how everything turned out.

    my synthesis effort left a lot to be desired. i was able to create some cool and useful sound fx but i wasn't able to achieve the fx i was looking for.
    i turned my efforts to samples and began the mangling. i took an open hihat sample and stretched it 100% in Sonar. after normalizing i faded in the sample to get rid
    of the clangy transient. slapped a t-Racks compressor on it and maxed it out to phatten the signal and increase the release time. i pulled out the lexicon pantheon- which
    i hardly use - and placed a big wide vocal preset on it. i turned up the diffusion and did some other tweekin', reversed the order of the compressor and the reverb added a linear fade and bounced it down to a mono track. i then put the mangled sample back into Battery 2 and turned the bits down to 8 and tuned the sample up 2 semitones. i think? i'm not sure of the default tune in battery. my final step was to put it in a choke group w/a closed hihat. i got about 85% of the sound i was looking for and it is completely functional for the purpose it was intended for. that's my story and i'm stickin' to it.



    you deserve an award for that ,,, a grammy,,perhaps,,,,

    marcella
    And Remember,,,,One thing at a Time.....
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    RE: Synthesis/HiHat 2005/01/15 13:48:23 (permalink)
    you deserve an award for that ,,, a grammy,,perhaps,,,,


    how about a glass of wine?

    have a good one
    3Eo
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    jardim do mar
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    RE: Synthesis/HiHat 2005/01/15 14:31:49 (permalink)
    how about a glass of wine?


    my pleasure,,

    I have just enough,,, for one more, small glass,,,,,

    here ya go,,,,,, ooops ,,,sorry ,,,,spilled a little there,,,,,,,
    oh,, and I forgot ,,here's some

    cheese and a slice of fresh baked bread to compliment the wine,,,,,oops,,, my little pooch just got that one ,,,wait ,,here ya go,,,, it is snack time.......
    a toast to sound synthesis,,,,,,

    marcella
    And Remember,,,,One thing at a Time.....
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    RE: Synthesis/HiHat 2005/01/15 14:36:41 (permalink)
    a toast to sound synthesis,,,,,,



    and wonderful mishaps

    have a good one
    3Eo

    ps. don't tell b rock i got the last of the wine
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