How to control Wah parameter on WahWah Effect?

I've been trying to figure out how to use an MK-449C keyboard with a bunch of assignable controllers to control the Wah parameter on my Sonitus WahWah effect. I have no trouble using Record Automation to record the movement of the Wah setting with the mouse, but how do I get a controller on my keyboard to control Wah? Right-clicking on the Wah knob does nothing, rather than let me choose a controller it should listen to.

Help! and Many thanks!!

-spinLock

I'm not at my DAW right now, but GENERALLY, you can use auotmation (not remote control, that's different, though it can be used too); and choose the parameter for the FX you want to automate, then create the nodes to control it.

OR, you can probably use remote control and use MIDI LEARN.

Check the manual - it's in there somewhere.

ORIGINAL: spinlock_1977

I've been trying to figure out how to use an MK-449C keyboard with a bunch of assignable controllers to control the Wah parameter on my Sonitus WahWah effect. I have no trouble using Record Automation to record the movement of the Wah setting with the mouse, but how do I get a controller on my keyboard to control Wah? Right-clicking on the Wah knob does nothing, rather than let me choose a controller it should listen to.

Help! and Many thanks!!

-spinLock

Thanks for the reply, but honest, it isn't "in there". Or rather, what is in there doesn't work on this particular effect. We're really talking remote control here, and I can get it to work for most anything in the track view, and DXi synths too, but not the Wah parameter. This is the problem I'm trying to solve. Suggestions greatfully accepted!

-spinLock

Well, I know you can do this for sure:

Put the effect in the FX bin of the AUDIO track (where it should go anyway).
Then RIGHT click on the Effect (Sontius Wah in this case), and choose "ARM parameter"
It will bring up a dialogue box, check the "WAH" box. Now you can automate it.

ORIGINAL: spinlock_1977

Thanks for the reply, but honest, it isn't "in there". Or rather, what is in there doesn't work on this particular effect. We're really talking remote control here, and I can get it to work for most anything in the track view, and DXi synths too, but not the Wah parameter. This is the problem I'm trying to solve. Suggestions greatfully accepted!

-spinLock

Well, I know you can do this for sure:

Put the effect in the FX bin of the AUDIO track (where it should go anyway).
Then RIGHT click on the Effect (Sontius Wah in this case), and choose "ARM parameter"
It will bring up a dialogue box, check the "WAH" box. Now you can automate it.

Hey, Billy ! ..another one of those AUTOMATION threads ahhhh ( we just love them ... until Cakewalk would change that in Sonar 8 ... )

Hehe, well, Al, in this case, it works for me... so I'm not sure what he's doing differntly than I am!

ORIGINAL: Al

Well, I know you can do this for sure:

Put the effect in the FX bin of the AUDIO track (where it should go anyway).
Then RIGHT click on the Effect (Sontius Wah in this case), and choose "ARM parameter"
It will bring up a dialogue box, check the "WAH" box. Now you can automate it.

Hey, Billy ! ..another one of those AUTOMATION threads ahhhh ( we just love them ... until Cakewalk would change that in Sonar 8 ... )

Thanks for that, and I agree, I can do "that". But that's not my objective - I want to control the Wah slider from a controller on my MK-449. It's remote control I'm having the problem with. Any ideas?

Hi

Yeah, I read your question and spent some time on it this morning. I don't think you can do that - control it from a midi keyboard that is .................. I'm taking it that you mean a sort of "midi learn" idea which matches the wah to a rotary on your keyboard.

The closest I got was to click on the wah button which arms it for a mouse wheel - so you can "wah" with it: which, to me anyway, felt a good deal better than trying to move it with just the movement of the whole mouse itself.

Truly: if anyone knows how to implement "midi learn" on this effect let us know.

Regards

Graham

Yes! I also have an Evolution keyboard and would like to know this too.

Best,
Gordon

Hi Graham,

Many thanks for giving it a shot - I'm new with this, and it's also good to know I'm not insane ;-)

That's pretty neat with the mouse wheel - never would have thought of that. Thanks!

-spinLock

can't it be set to be controlled by the modulation wheel on the keyboard? that seems the logical choice...

Jerry

can't it be set to be controlled by the modulation wheel on the keyboard? that seems the logical choice...

that's not always possible...that's MIDI automation ( using cc#)

gee..ANOTHER automation thread.. it just shows how confusing it is ( especially in Sonar ?)
i'm very busy but in a few days i'll post how to do all of the above and the differences between the automation methods
in Sonar ... 'till then ask Bob from Cakewalk or maybe someone else would kindly post here..

there are also some old threads about vst automation in Sonar ... the Search might find some of those

cya

Hi Jerry

Good idea - but unfortunately it doesn't work. Just the mouse wheel so far.

Regards

Graham

http://www.cakewalk.com/forum/tm.asp?m=291562&mpage=1&key=vst+automation񇍀

you can reach some other "automation" threads from there

I had no trouble controling the wa control with my Keystation pro 88. I setup the wa wa and hit the FX button for Fx automation. Used remote control and reasigned the first stripe for the wa control. Use MIDI learn and it worked. I used a fader on the KS Pro 88 as the control.

It took me 2 sec. to do this.

Best
John

I had no trouble controling the wa control with my Keystation pro 88. I setup the wa wa and hit the FX button for Fx automation. Used remote control and reasigned the first stripe for the wa control. Use MIDI learn and it worked. I used a fader on the KS Pro 88 as the control.

It took me 2 sec. to do this.

Exactly

for synths - the SynthRack should be fixed(even if it would take a complete re-write of the automation and the interface)

http://www.cakewalk.com/forum/tm.asp?m=100427&mpage=1&key=vst+automation𘢉

I'm a little confused here - John are you saying it *can* be done in Sonar 4 PE? I don't see an 'Fx' button anywhere. Are you using something else maybe?

Thanks,

If you are looking at the track view, at the bottom of the inspector there are 4 buttons. One is FX. Double click on it and it will list 4 prameters to control in the inspector of a plugin in the FX bin. Right clicking on any one will bring up a menu. I think you can take it from there. To see the inspector click on the first button at the top of the track list.

for synths - the SynthRack should be fixed(even if it would take a complete re-write of the automation and the interface)

I agree.

Best
John

I must be doing something stupid John, because double-clicking on the FX tab in the bottom left of the Track View does nothing. A single click changes the display of all the tracks, but a double-click does nothing. Would there be any other way of getting to the next diaglog box?

Many thanks!

NOT the TABS the BUTTONS for the INSPECTOR.

You do have Ver 3 or 4 of Sonar?


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John

You do have Ver 3 or 4 of Sonar?

it's not a matter of ver. 3 or 4 - the Studio version of these doesn't have those assignable "midi widgets" ( those 4 stripes that you mentioned)

it's a feature of the Producer version and existed there since version 3 (or even before that?)

I was thinking it might be Pro Audio.

It would be very useful when asking a question to tell us just what program and ver. one is using.


Best
John

I'm a little confused here - John are you saying it *can* be done in Sonar 4 PE? I don't see an 'Fx' button anywhere. Are you using something else maybe?

Thanks,

You do seem to have Sonar 4 PE so what I have said will work for you

Best
John

Take a look at the attached jpeg. Notice the bottom left, you see a few icons, one being FX. That's the one he means.
You need to click that a few times to get to the parameters - and once you do, you can change which ones to control, as you'll see in this shot:



http://www.ba-midi.com/stuff/wah.jpg


Right click on the parameter you want to change/reassign (that brings up the menu you see in that pic).

A picture is worth a thousand words.

Thanks Ba MIDI

Best
John

Indeed it is! I can't thank all you guys enough! The missing link here was that I had hidden the Inspector. Un-hiding that, all the suggestions, and finally the picture finished the job. Again, thanks to everyone!!

Also, my apologies for not specifying Sonar version (4.02 PE) in my initial request - I've since added it to my sig & profile.

Best,

Well good luck to you and I am glad that it is working for you.

Best
John

ORIGINAL: John

A picture is worth a thousand words.

Thanks Ba MIDI

Best
John

John

Thank you, John, for offering the help to our fellow forum user :)

And, btw, I had actually forgotten about that technique, so you reminded me! Thanks for that! :)

Ah! Now I understand why I couldnt get this sh*t to work!!!!! I am using fricken Sonar3Studio!!!!!
It sucks that the commin crap isnt included in the lighter version!
Well, That explains my friggen VSTI control issues!!!!!!!! Onlyones I can use with a controller like that are the ones with a learn function..... I have like two of them

On to Sonar4PE I guess........

-Rik

Sheesh

I'd never noticed the "remote control" option before ...... thanks for making it obvious Billy. I really thought it couldn't be done ..................... thanks a million.

Regards

Graham

ORIGINAL: Graham

Sheesh

I'd never noticed the "remote control" option before ...... thanks for making it obvious Billy. I really thought it couldn't be done ..................... thanks a million.

Regards

Graham

You're welcome, but we should really thank John for pointing it out. I almost forgot about using the inspector fucntions even though I ALWAYS have the track inspector open.

Well, that's why THIS forum stands above the rest. There is always a great community of sharing people here!

This is one of those rare times when two posters working together accomplish a good result.

With your quick solution to the problem at hand we as posters became greater then our separate endeavors. This was a group effort that could not have been successful without both of our participation.

This has also been true in the past with other threads that you have been a part of. You have always added good will and great wisdom. You are also right in adding that this a great forum. But, it is posters like you that make it so.

My very best to you ba midi
John

ORIGINAL: John

This is one of those rare times when two posters working together accomplish a good result.

With your quick solution to the problem at hand we as posters became greater then our separate endeavors. This was a group effort that could not have been successful without both of our participation.

This has also been true in the past with other threads that you have been a part of. You have always added good will and great wisdom. You are also right in adding that this a great forum. But, it is posters like you that make it so.

My very best to you ba midi
John

Thank you John, that is VERY Kind of you to say. And, the same definitely goes to you as well.

My best to you, John

I owe all you guys a big thanks - there's no way I would have found that on my own, any time soon, that's for sure. I hope I return the favor to other forum-ite's in the near future.

Best,

ORIGINAL: spinlock_1977

I owe all you guys a big thanks - there's no way I would have found that on my own, any time soon, that's for sure. I hope I return the favor to other forum-ite's in the near future.

Best,

And that's what makes THIS forum so great... so many good people willing to help others!

Ahhhhh, thats great thanks for posting that everyone, I'd failed to find it in the manual completely...

So it seems that an effect's own MIDI learn function can not be used - you have to go through the Remote Control thingy. Shame....

Terrific work guys. I bet a large number of users have benefited from this as I know I have. This shows what a community can do!

Thanks,
Gordon

Spinlock,
This is a little off topic, but I'd like to know how you like that Asus K8N-E mobo. Any stability issues?

I've had it about 6 months, and it seems to be fine. I've had a few hard crashes, but I can attribute these to doing possibly nasty things with VPN tunnels and networked games. Certainly it's the fastest box I've ever had - Windows is almost tolerable ;-)

I turned off the onboard audio due to high noise when recording audio, and installed a M-Audio Delta 44 card instead. But I'm using the onboard MIDI, and well as USB-based MIDI. All seems fine - although I do miss notes from my keyboard occassionally - not sure where this one is coming from, and it's not bad enough to cause problems, given the way I use Sonar.

Hope that helps,