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Re:xonar or creative
2011/02/19 21:21:28
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Re:xonar or creative
2011/02/19 21:28:45
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And you can record with all those at the same time? Have you done that?
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Re:xonar or creative
2011/02/19 21:35:52
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And you can record with all those at the same time? Have you done that?
Yeah man, I don't need to lie! I tell you what, as I said before its not easy to setup the Creative Audio HQ and mixer, because its a bit messy,once you know it ,its full of possibilities, you can mix surround 5.1 or 7.1 , or use it as hardware effects buses some outputs, of course, I'm counting with the fact that you also have the external drive bay(if not you only have stereo inputs)
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Re:xonar or creative
2011/02/20 20:41:49
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you were being asked a question.. nothing more , nothing less
like I was asking if the sf2's are kept in system ram even if they aren't being used.. which was a nightmare if I had hard drive issues and did a reinstall.. I had so many soundfonts installed... I had to keep a record of all the banks they were in.
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Re:xonar or creative
2011/02/20 21:04:06
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the overhwelming majority of opinion on all the audio production forums i have ever read is that you need dedicated audio interface to get satisfactory results from daw software.
my own experience agrees with this.
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Re:xonar or creative
2011/02/20 21:05:46
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John
And you can record with all those at the same time? Have you done that?
Yeah man, I don't need to lie!
I tell you what, as I said before its not easy to setup the Creative Audio HQ and mixer, because its a bit messy,once you know it ,its full of possibilities, you can mix surround 5.1 or 7.1 , or use it as hardware effects buses some outputs, of course, I'm counting with the fact that you also have the external drive bay(if not you only have stereo inputs)
Yes the Audigy EX was the $350 version back when I bought it. Yes it has a break out box. But only one input can be used at a time. Use the mic input on the card it cuts off the mic input on the box. The mixer will not let one use more then one input at a time. It is not and never has been a multi channel card.
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Re:xonar or creative
2011/02/20 21:16:39
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Besides, for 350, you can get a pretty nice real audio card, lol
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Re:xonar or creative
2011/02/20 21:28:19
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Uh yeah definitely. $350 will buy you quite a bit of audio interface horsepower.
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Re:xonar or creative
2011/02/20 21:43:36
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Besides, for 350, you can get a pretty nice real audio card, lol Uh yeah definitely. $350 will buy you quite a bit of audio interface horsepower.
Yep it was. But at the time it was "top of the line". Still it was a CL card and I did get a lot of use out of it. Back then the number of inexpensive quality audio cards were few. I did opt fro a TDIF card to go with a Tascam digital mixer. That worked very well indeed. Total $ 1500+ Now the range of good audio cards is pretty good.
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Re:xonar or creative
2011/02/20 22:01:23
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John
And you can record with all those at the same time? Have you done that?
Yeah man, I don't need to lie!
I tell you what, as I said before its not easy to setup the Creative Audio HQ and mixer, because its a bit messy,once you know it ,its full of possibilities, you can mix surround 5.1 or 7.1 , or use it as hardware effects buses some outputs, of course, I'm counting with the fact that you also have the external drive bay(if not you only have stereo inputs)
Yes the Audigy EX was the $350 version back when I bought it. Yes it has a break out box. But only one input can be used at a time. Use the mic input on the card it cuts off the mic input on the box. The mixer will not let one use more then one input at a time. It is not and never has been a multi channel card.
"The rear panel has a pair of Line In 3 phono sockets — the EX is the only Audigy 2 model with these sockets, to provide up to six-channel simultaneous recording" A line from this article... http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/apr03/articles/creativeaudigy2.asp
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Re:xonar or creative
2011/02/20 22:20:35
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I have the Audigy which is not the 2. But I don't believe anything CL says for they said that the Audigy supported 24 bits they forgot to say only in playback.
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Re:xonar or creative
2011/02/20 22:30:42
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Re:xonar or creative
2011/02/20 22:41:16
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As soon as a card has certain specs (which many modern cards have) it doesn't play ANY role for recording into X1, if it is a consumer market card or a "pro audio" card. The real pro audio cards like RMEs or Saphires etc. are quite expensive and give you extra low latencies and some other goodies for recording. The lower end "pro" cards (meaning nothing more in this case than their functionality is reduced to recording) aren't a bit better for recording than a better Soundblaster or an Asus Xonar. The latter has excellent specs and up to date drivers, and delivers full muldtimedia functionality besides recording.
So it just depends on what you want to use your card for: on a pure recording computer a pure recording card makes sense, but on a system with mixed use including multimedia you can use something like the Xonar and have equally well recording results as from any "pro" or pro  audio card. Just check the specs and user reviews.
+1 A perfectly sensible reply by somebody prepared to look beyond the knee jerking that occurs when anybody dares mention Soundblaster. Although I'd stop short of recommending the Soundblaster itself not because the hardware is lacking but because the ASIO driver support is flaky to non-existent, the Asus range comprises of some really good cards with great SNR's and full 64bit ASIO support. So it is just a case of choosing something that offers the amount of inputs and outputs you need, whether you are going to use this machine as a general purpose machine or a dedicated DAW and whether it is at a price you can afford. These cards are much better specified than many so called dedicated low end cards that haven't seen an engineer in at least the past 5 years, that some here are actually recommending as 'pro' cards. (did somebody mention ESI?) fwiw I ran Sonar 7 for over a year using an onboard Realtek chip for ITB mixing and rendering soft-synths and nobody nor his dog could tell the difference, and but for a lack of inputs which subsequently became a need I'd be perfectly happy using it still. Your monitoring and room is going to impact your ability to mix far more than any choice of contemporary sound card is. But don't listen to opinion (not even mine... ) do your homework, match the hardware to your particular needs and come away with the facts because there's plenty of myth surrounds this particular issue and you'll hear it all on this forum. Some need to spend the extra to buy dedicated top grade studio hardware many of us don't, it's only you can decide which category you belong to.
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Re:xonar or creative
2011/02/20 23:14:28
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John
I have the Audigy which is not the 2. But I don't believe anything CL says for they said that the Audigy supported 24 bits they forgot to say only in playback.
Something obviously learnt after you bought yours.
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Re:xonar or creative
2011/02/20 23:16:45
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John
about 8 channel 24/96 simultaneusly recording (in Platinum EX, X-Fi extreme etc)
Just wondering where are all those inputs and outputs?
Maybe he means that it supports 7.1 surround output Those cards are a joke!!!! Their drivers offer big latency and very low stability. In my opinion they are not even good for gaming! Plus they are very expensive for what they offer.
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Re:xonar or creative
2011/02/21 00:04:20
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John
I have the Audigy which is not the 2. But I don't believe anything CL says for they said that the Audigy supported 24 bits they forgot to say only in playback.
Something obviously learnt after you bought yours.
Truer words have never been written. LOL Those cards are a joke!!!! Their drivers offer big latency and very low stability. In my opinion they are not even good for gaming! Plus they are very expensive for what they offer.
I wouldn't go that far. They do a good job for what they are, a gaming sound card. But I wouldn't never recommend one for use with Sonar. I have defended them but not as ones first choice for pro or semi pro usage. Unless you are a pro gamer. LOL
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Re:xonar or creative
2011/02/21 00:41:26
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JIt is not and never has been a multi channel card.
Can you be such a stupid person?, I'm telling you that the Creative Audigy Platinum that I have its a mutichannel (or multitrack)soundcard, with multiple record inputs in ASIO mode(6 analog and two digital) each in a separate track in sonar, I used to record snare in one, kik in another, hats in another, one for the left tom and two overheads, I dont know about the one you used to have, but read the SOS article http://www.soundonsound.c...es/creativeaudigy2.asp exactly this part: ¨The rear panel has a pair of Line In 3 phono sockets — the EX is the only Audigy 2 model with these sockets, to provide up to six-channel simultaneous recording — along with the MIDI In and Out mentioned earlier, co-axial S/PDIF in and out, a further proprietary 3.5mm digital out primarily for use with Creative's own Inspire 5.1 digital speakers, the two sockets that connect to the umbilical, and a second SB1394 port. The two SB1394 ports are handy for connecting external hard disks, and test results indicate good performance, if a little below that of a true IEEE 1394 controller.¨ You the kind of person that if I give you the Abbey road studios, will never made a decent recording , because its not what you have, but how to use it, its about know what in your hands, and you could not record multi track with a simple Audigy Platinum !, by the way you can find it nowdays one in just 80 dls
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Re:xonar or creative
2011/02/21 00:47:54
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Besides, for 350, you can get a pretty nice real audio card, lol
350 when the dinosaurs living in the earth, there are new X-Fi extreme for less, you can find a Platinum for no more than 100 dls
Still with $350 you not gonna find a DSP, hardware sampler in any audio interface!
and thats is what I call REAL
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Re:xonar or creative
2011/02/21 00:53:08
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John
about 8 channel 24/96 simultaneusly recording (in Platinum EX, X-Fi extreme etc) Just wondering where are all those inputs and outputs?
Maybe he means that it supports 7.1 surround output
Those cards are a joke!!!! Their drivers offer big latency and very low stability. In my opinion they are not even good for gaming! Plus they are very expensive for what they offer.
I know what Im talking about, read: http://www.soundonsound.c...es/creativeaudigy2.asp
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Re:xonar or creative
2011/02/21 00:55:38
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John
I have the Audigy which is not the 2. But I don't believe anything CL says for they said that the Audigy supported 24 bits they forgot to say only in playback.
jaaaaaaaaaaajaja Man you don't even know wish card you have!!!!
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Re:xonar or creative
2011/02/21 01:12:13
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what does jaaaaaaaaaaaaajaja mean?
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Re:xonar or creative
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what does jaaaaaaaaaaaaajaja mean?
haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaha a laugh in spanish haahahahaha
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Re:xonar or creative
2011/02/21 06:48:14
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timidi
what language is this thread in?
I think it is in Soundblasterese maybe...
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Re:xonar or creative
2011/02/21 06:52:56
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I just use a Peavey PV6usb mixer for my soundcard.... Doo doo bedoo bah... mana mana... 
The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate. Bushpianos
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Re:xonar or creative
2011/02/21 08:15:34
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giankap
John
about 8 channel 24/96 simultaneusly recording (in Platinum EX, X-Fi extreme etc) Just wondering where are all those inputs and outputs?
Maybe he means that it supports 7.1 surround output
Those cards are a joke!!!! Their drivers offer big latency and very low stability. In my opinion they are not even good for gaming! Plus they are very expensive for what they offer.
I know what Im talking about, read:
http://www.soundonsound.c...es/creativeaudigy2.asp
I've read this article. Excellent gaming card! Which games did you buy to match this card?
sincerely, Ioannis Windows - some Dual Core CPU - a little bit of RAM - not so bad soundcard - i think it's called Sonar - a silver mixer with colorful knobs - black speaker monitors - my ears some work
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Re:xonar or creative
2011/02/21 10:40:45
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giankap
John
about 8 channel 24/96 simultaneusly recording (in Platinum EX, X-Fi extreme etc) Just wondering where are all those inputs and outputs?
Maybe he means that it supports 7.1 surround output
Those cards are a joke!!!! Their drivers offer big latency and very low stability. In my opinion they are not even good for gaming! Plus they are very expensive for what they offer.
I know what Im talking about, read:
http://www.soundonsound.c...es/creativeaudigy2.asp
I've read this article. Excellent gaming card! Which games did you buy to match this card?
This is just your opinion This are some production that I made in Cuba a few years ago with a Audigy Platinum 2 at 48/16(not the Ex) http://cgmpro.webs.com/1_Like%20a%20coin.mp3 http://cgmpro.webs.com/Peligro.mp3 Are compressed and normalized for the web, so if anyone thinks thats have something much better than this,with whatever equipment you have, please show me, later I will show you some originals as a challenge.
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Re:xonar or creative
2011/02/21 11:47:02
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Their ASIO driver doesn't support 44.1/24 which would be a real deal-breaker for me!!!
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Re:xonar or creative
2011/02/21 12:23:51
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Their ASIO driver doesn't support 44.1/24 which would be a real deal-breaker for me!!!
Thats not a big deal, an they do supporting by re sampling , and of course you can resample and changing bit depth better in a dedicate software, like pros do all the time, at the end the most common format its still 44/16, so thats not an issue
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Re:xonar or creative
2011/02/21 12:33:09
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gustabo
Their ASIO driver doesn't support 44.1/24 which would be a real deal-breaker for me!!!
Thats not a big deal, an they do supporting by re sampling , and of course you can resample and changing bit depth better in a dedicate software, like pros do all the time, at the end the most common format its still 44/16, so thats not an issue
That is the issue. it's not that you can't make good recordings with a SB card. you can - and you know that. but why pay for an SB card that can't support ASIO 44/24 to make mixing better after your recording is over?
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Re:xonar or creative
2011/02/21 13:11:48
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carlosagm79
I know what I'm talking about, read:
http://www.soundonsound.c...es/creativeaudigy2.asp
Not sure why you would post this link. Yes - it does prove to the S/B uneducated that this cart can record 24/96, and does have multiple ins/outs - but in the end, the review also recommends a low end pro card (aging Echo Mia and AP24/96) to be a better choice for semi-pro use - which is all many of us are trying to say. Not to mention - this article is 8 years old. If you are have having great success with the SB, then that's wonderful! There are others here that agree with you, and there are some that don't. It's the different views that makes these forums a better place, as long as confrontation is kept out of it. Personally - thanks for educating me that S/B actually does have some serious cards - but to be honest, I would rather spend that amount on a semi-pro card before I spend it on a S/B. Respectfully, can't we just agree to disagree on that? It's not a matter of right vs wrong - it's just a difference of opinion.
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