trimph1
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Since everyone is taking sides I'll sit on the fence on this...
To me, this is sounding more like a detractor vs fanboi bickerfest...
Do we go around saying that there is no problem with X1 or do we say it is the worst POS going?
Myself, I'd prefer to say that there are a lot of issues with this but it is also a very powerful little beastie...otherwise there would not be the amount of passion showing about it...
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...wicked
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heh heh, I've got "sack". I'm gonna go tell my wife that.  back to the rest: yes. These rabble-rousing hate-spewers don't get to corner the market on inane crap. They make fake IDs, they "actually use" other DAWs but still have enough free time to come on the SONAR forum to rant about Cake being fascists and jerks and "3rd world"-outsourcing programmers and have nothing but awesome things to say about nearly every other DAW out there? C'mon. I think calling them out as being part of the problem (If not being outright trolls, professional or hobbyist) and not the solution is a far cry from being a forum bully. And that certainly doesn't make me a Cake shill. If you look at my post history you'll notice I've certainly shared my own critical thoughts about SONAR, pre-X1 and beyond. Playing the whole "free speech" card just so someone can take pot shots and generally run amuck with jerkitude is radically lame.
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Well, I'll just put it like this: I like ...wicked. I think he's a good guy:)
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...wicked
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trimph1
Do we go around saying that there is no problem with X1 or do we say it is the worst POS going?
Myself, I'd prefer to say that there are a lot of issues with this but it is also a very powerful little beastie...otherwise there would not be the amount of passion showing about it...
I agree with you actually. Well, the second part. The first part is the extreme I think some people are type-casting. Generally speaking, X1 has a slew of issues. Some of them bugs, some of them more like "whoops why didn't we think of this when we re-wrote the workflow?". The update is taking a loooooong time to arrive, especially since many people (myself included) can't or don't want to use it until it's at least up on two feet. Then there's the whole "new paradigm" thing. I think some people are really not sold on the idea just yet (again, myself included), and it's a little hard to really make a decision about that until it's operating at a decently functional capacity. Well, and also I've spent about 15 years with Cakewalk software and the thought that it might no longer be for me is so horrible I can't even wrap my head around it.
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SuperThread!
The forum dinosaurs crawl out of their caves, patting each other on their shoulders, telling each other how cool they are. Everyone choose your side, SuperFanboy or SuperCritic, what´s your choice?
grabbin´ some more pop corn
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SuperThread!
The forum dinosaurs crawl out of their caves, patting each other on their shoulders, telling each other how cool they are. Everyone choose your side, SuperFanboy or SuperCritic, what´s your choice?
grabbin´ some more pop corn
SuperBullS**t! There's so much "noise" in here now that it's hard to actually help someone or find some good info. Where's the "Shut the F**k Up for a While" switch in this place? Brian
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StarTekh
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Your so LAME you probaly think this post is about you...
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kubalibre
SuperThread!
The forum dinosaurs crawl out of their caves, patting each other on their shoulders, telling each other how cool they are. Everyone choose your side, SuperFanboy or SuperCritic, what´s your choice?
grabbin´ some more pop corn
SuperBullS**t!
There's so much "noise" in here now that it's hard to actually help someone or find some good info.
Where's the "Shut the F**k Up for a While" switch in this place?
Brian
+1000...thats what im talking about..its one thing to complain and another to state your issues and try and resolve them..i paid for this software just like you.and everyone else.but its hard to find help or give it when theres so much bull in the way..im not happy about some of the things in x1..so im not out to be a salesman..im out to solve problems.im not a dinosouar..i just joined this forum 2 months ago.but ive been using sonar for over ten years.as i still have pro audio 9.0 loaded up on my old computer..maybe this doesnt apply to some of you..maybe your not the complainer that want no help..maybe you want to solve the problem.i hope so cause its not helping anything when you log on and just complain all the time..
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trimph1
Since everyone is taking sides I'll sit on the fence on this...
To me, this is sounding more like a detractor vs fanboi bickerfest...
Do we go around saying that there is no problem with X1 or do we say it is the worst POS going?
Myself, I'd prefer to say that there are a lot of issues with this but it is also a very powerful little beastie...otherwise there would not be the amount of passion showing about it...
The problem as I see it is those of us who are lucky enough to not be having show stopping issues and dare to say so are labeled as "fanboys". I and most others have never said there weren't problems with X1, only that we've had very little. And when we try to have a discussion of any kind about X1 it soon gets hijacked by the haters. Then we're told we're either lying or not using the program in a deep enough way to understand the problems the "power users" are having. It's getting to the point where it's pointless to even visit this forum. I truly sympathize with those having issues. But I see no point at all in continued bashing of Cakewalk or other users. Cake knows there are problems, everyone who visits this forum knows there are problems. At this point I think anyone having really big problems has to either wait for X1b or just go to another DAW program. Unless you just enjoy spreading misery, which some, sadly, apparently do.
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...wicked
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SuperBullS**t!
There's so much "noise" in here now that it's hard to actually help someone or find some good info.
Where's the "Shut the F**k Up for a While" switch in this place?
Brian
I wouldn't think coming to a thread titled "LAME" would potentially yield any good info at all.
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Keni
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trimph1
Do we go around saying that there is no problem with X1 or do we say it is the worst POS going?
Myself, I'd prefer to say that there are a lot of issues with this but it is also a very powerful little beastie...otherwise there would not be the amount of passion showing about it...
I agree with you actually. Well, the second part. The first part is the extreme I think some people are type-casting.
Generally speaking, X1 has a slew of issues. Some of them bugs, some of them more like "whoops why didn't we think of this when we re-wrote the workflow?".
The update is taking a loooooong time to arrive, especially since many people (myself included) can't or don't want to use it until it's at least up on two feet.
Then there's the whole "new paradigm" thing. I think some people are really not sold on the idea just yet (again, myself included), and it's a little hard to really make a decision about that until it's operating at a decently functional capacity. Well, and also I've spent about 15 years with Cakewalk software and the thought that it might no longer be for me is so horrible I can't even wrap my head around it.
I agree with you... and this is the place to voice your opinions! That's what it's for... But we must be polite is the issue... so we do our best but in our sensitive moments (we are artist's eh?), we can often get a bit boisterous... ;-) I am one who is waiting to use X1... and I don't think X1b is gonna change that for me... From what I can see, it's gotta take me twice my normal work time to accomplish equivalent work with the current version (after it's working as expected - right now it takes THREE times the work)... So for me, it's about lobbying for change... I too have been with Cakewalk for as many years as they've been around... and I've been a staunch supporter as well... I couldn't find a DAW close to as good... But this version might have seemed "pretty" to them and blinded them to other realities... I looked at the competition and sad to say, that even with all the new advances, 8.5.3 is still better than all the rest... Too bad it will never get it's bugs fixed... Now we'll spend the next two years or more struggling to get what we lost (in whatever new manifestation it acquires)... As to the Roland issue? they just went even more corporate than when they changed from 12 Tones Music to Cakewalk... That unto itself may have issues, but I'm not really concerned as long as the decisions are still being made by the programmers, not the corporate board.... All these personal attacks are very childish... ana of course there are some here for mischief... But most of us are simply doing our best to help The Bakers know what we like and don't like and what we need... they've always done well for us in the past and I'm hoping that as they come to grips with this version, many of these issues will change... I just would like it sooner rather than later. I dislike using the older version of a software and being forced to explain to a client why I'm not using the latest.... Can we stay on the software and avoid personal ranks? It's simple enuf to ignore someone you don't like... That old saying about not feeding the fire............ ...and I never use the ignore function... I simply don't respond to someone I don't wish to talk with... Keni
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We can't even have a discussion about X1 anymore?
LAME.
Well, what kind of discussion are you trying to elicit? This is probably a more important question to ask yourself.
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SuperBullS**t!
There's so much "noise" in here now that it's hard to actually help someone or find some good info.
Where's the "Shut the F**k Up for a While" switch in this place?
Brian
I wouldn't think coming to a thread titled "LAME" would potentially yield any good info at all.
There can often be good info in "discussion" but when (and as so often seems to be the case lately) someone tries to make it an "us against them" brawl - discussion has ended and the first phrase of my previous post begins! Problem is that so many threads end up there now. Brian
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I'm with Wicked.
Hi guys :)
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trimph1
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SuperBullS**t!
There's so much "noise" in here now that it's hard to actually help someone or find some good info.
Where's the "Shut the F**k Up for a While" switch in this place?
Brian
I wouldn't think coming to a thread titled "LAME" would potentially yield any good info at all.
There can often be good info in "discussion" but when (and as so often seems to be the case lately) someone tries to make it an "us against them" brawl - discussion has ended and the first phrase of my previous post begins! Problem is that so many threads end up there now.
Brian
When they start to call each other out to duke it out is when I usually leave....it's a little safer on a forum though... I did say a little safer...
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...wicked
And UnderTow, for all his technical prowess, is a pretty aggro jerkwad to Cake and everyone else, to his own detriment and seemingly just to try and get a good disagreement going over almost random things.
Not only are you being rather hypocritical in the sentence above but you are also not very perceptive if that is your interpretation of my intent. For the record, I received an apology from Willy for the way the ADM thread was dealt with. UnderTow
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Supercomposer
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Wicked reminds me of that internet pic here   http://files.sharenator.com/arguing_on_the_internet_1_Internet_Argument-s315x466-86843-580.jpg I really don´t need to "win" an argument with a 5000+ post count person who seems to rather live in the forum than work in an actual studio, also this is a discussion on a product on the company´s product forum, so it is no surprise that all the dinosaurs pat each others shoulders and defend their favourite product no matter what. Unfortunately it seems like, your local soccer club totally sucks but you are still wearing the t-shirts -- because it´s your local soccer club, not because they are playing good. There are more than enough unbiased audio forums which already clearly show what to think of X1 and where the reputation of CW is right now, no need for your strange conspiracy theories of double accounts and competitor paid campaigns. I seriously doubt market leaders like Avid, Steinberg or Apple even see X1 as competition. But according to your theory its all a big conspiracy and actually X1 is not an epic fail as hundreds of users complain. If there is anything ruining Sonar... its CW. Not the poor users which got fooled by false advertisement and are posting here on the forums in search for help. They keep blaming their system or their own user error. I for myself am able to see the difference between user error, hardware problems and simply extremely bad written C++ code. But hey enjoy your shoulder patting and good luck with your optmism, perhaps the X1b patch is a miracle and saves the product. Somehow I doubt it but maybe CW can prove me wrong in a few weeks, who knows.
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Keni
I looked at the competition and sad to say, that even with all the new advances, 8.5.3 is still better than all the rest... Too bad it will never get it's bugs fixed... Now we'll spend the next two years or more struggling to get what we lost (in whatever new manifestation it acquires)...
All these personal attacks are very childish... ana of course there are some here for mischief... But most of us are simply doing our best to help The Bakers know what we like and don't like and what we need... they've always done well for us in the past and I'm hoping that as they come to grips with this version, many of these issues will change... I just would like it sooner rather than later. I dislike using the older version of a software and being forced to explain to a client why I'm not using the latest....
Can we stay on the software and avoid personal ranks? It's simple enuf to ignore someone you don't like... That old saying about not feeding the fire............
...and I never use the ignore function... I simply don't respond to someone I don't wish to talk with...
Keni
+1000 I fully support being able to vent, although it's helpful when it's done in a constructive manner. Thena again, after your system crashes a couple of times, it can be hard to be civil. That being said, if I had to take a side, I'm on the critic side right now until I have a stable X1 with the funciontality we had in 8.53. And shoot even 8.53 isn't THAT stable for me (yes I submitted to tech support, probably 8 crashes over the weekend, I think Rapture and stupid bit bridge were both problems). Eventually it will come down to even if program X doesn't have all the features I want, if it will just be stable I might have to make the switch.
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Keni
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Keni
I fully support being able to vent, although it's helpful when it's done in a constructive manner. Thena again, after your system crashes a couple of times, it can be hard to be civil.
That being said, if I had to take a side, I'm on the critic side right now until I have a stable X1 with the funciontality we had in 8.53.
And shoot even 8.53 isn't THAT stable for me (yes I submitted to tech support, probably 8 crashes over the weekend, I think Rapture and stupid bit bridge were both problems).
Eventually it will come down to even if program X doesn't have all the features I want, if it will just be stable I might have to make the switch.
Thanks Matthew... I'm in the same boat... tho it will be far less feature rich than 8.5.3, I'm usre that I'll be using it more if/when enuf bugs get fixed... That won't stop me from complaining and requesting more changes/additions/etc... I will continue to do my best to help Cakewalk turn this beast into a quality program once again... If only they'd continue fixing 8.5.3 even without any changes/additions.... that would make things better for many of us... I'd lose the ProChannel (which I don't yet use so that I can remain backward compatible anyway)... but other than that? Keni
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...wicked
And UnderTow, for all his technical prowess, is a pretty aggro jerkwad to Cake and everyone else, to his own detriment and seemingly just to try and get a good disagreement going over almost random things.
Not only are you being rather hypocritical in the sentence above but you are also not very perceptive if that is your interpretation of my intent. For the record, I received an apology from Willy for the way the ADM thread was dealt with.
UnderTow
We all know that intent is in the eye of the interpreter. Nice to see you on the other side of the giant pointy finger.
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...wicked
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Not only are you being rather hypocritical in the sentence above but you are also not very perceptive if that is your interpretation of my intent. For the record, I received an apology from Willy for the way the ADM thread was dealt with.
I don't even get that deep into it man. You language alone in that thread and others recently is hostile bordering on frothing. You're obviously a smart and capable mind, but man lately you've been prose-violent. And Willy apologizing? I hope you don't think that validates you. If you really wanted that you would've said that YOU apologized to Willy. It doesn't matter even if you were right, you were forcing "right" down everyone's throat and being disrespectful to everyone in the process. But, your technical acumen for troubleshooting and brainstorming is quite refreshing, I just hope you give yourself a time out or have a shot of whiskey of something so you don't need to come in swingin' in every thread.
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...wicked
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Unfortunately it seems like, your local soccer club totally sucks but you are still wearing the t-shirts -- because it´s your local soccer club, not because they are playing good.
There are more than enough unbiased audio forums which already clearly show what to think of X1 and where the reputation of CW is right now, Which is why your continued presence here is suspect. You don't even USE Sonar anymore, but you have more than enough time to put together these elaborately nonsensical emails that call people out and go to great lengths to insult forum members who question your professionalism. that's why I called you out, and your very response to this just continues to prove my point. If all of this is the way you feel, you've got your Cubase shirt on (or whatever, I forget which of DAW you think is the bees knees these days) so go play over there.
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Keni
Can we stay on the software and avoid personal ranks? It's simple enuf to ignore someone you don't like... That old saying about not feeding the fire............
...and I never use the ignore function... I simply don't respond to someone I don't wish to talk with...
Keni
I've had to use the ignore button for the first time on two members who relentlessly attacked me, who were pro X1 and Cake wouldn't do anything about it even though they were reported by several members for abuse. I've never seen a single pro X1er get his thread locked, moved, or deleted even when they get verbally abusive to others, but someone who dare say anything about X1 (even when it's true) without getting abusive get's banned, scolded, thread locked, thread deleted, thread title changed. Like you say, it's their forum, they can do what they want, that doesn't make it right though.
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Keni
Can we stay on the software and avoid personal ranks? It's simple enuf to ignore someone you don't like... That old saying about not feeding the fire............
...and I never use the ignore function... I simply don't respond to someone I don't wish to talk with...
Keni
I've had to use the ignore button for the first time on two members who relentlessly attacked me, who were pro X1 and Cake wouldn't do anything about it even though they were reported by several members for abuse.
I've never seen a single pro X1er get his thread locked, moved, or deleted even when they get verbally abusive to others, but someone who dare say anything about X1 (even when it's true) without getting abusive get's banned, scolded, thread locked, thread deleted.
Like you say, it's their forum, they can do what they want, that doesn't make it right though.
You don't really expect the Mods to do anything about their rude supporters do you?
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...wicked
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Well, if YOU'RE still on here then I doubt anyone is going anywhere.
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...wicked
Well, if YOU'RE still on here then I doubt anyone is going anywhere.
Ah, but I have never attacked anyone as you seem to love doing.
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...wicked
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10Ten
Ah, but I have never attacked anyone as you seem to love doing. Dude you say that in EVERY thread. I can assure you that you're the only one who believes it.
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Bub
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I've never seen 10Ten go after anyone. I've seen him defend himself, but I've never seen him attack anyone out of the blue for no reason.
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Bub
I've never seen 10Ten go after anyone. I've seen him defend himself, but I've never seen him attack anyone out of the blue for no reason.
The may well be true Bub, but his contribution to this thread is completely typical of how he chooses to interact with people and tells you all you need to know.
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...wicked
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I like the whole "defending himself" supposition. The dude is a total tool and refuses to hear an overwhelming majority telling him to tone it down. His response is that he's an agent of truth and justice and we're all just Cake fanbois attacking him, which is total malarkey.
As such, those are not defenses, they are verification of his stubborn inability to show he can participate in a rational, civil discussion. Which is why he's one of the troublemakers who I think should've been shown the door a long time ago. Let him play martyr on some other forum.
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