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Re:96kHZ 32bit / 64bit bit size ROCK!! I will never switch back!!!
2009/11/14 12:43:40
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Freddie H
I'm sorry don't worry its gone now!
Regards
Freddie
Thanks you Freddie. UnderTow
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Re:96kHZ 32bit / 64bit bit size ROCK!! I will never switch back!!!
2009/11/14 12:49:13
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Copy and paste baby... it's just like making Dance tracks :-)
LMAO
Not the good stuff. :) UnderTow
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Re:96kHZ 32bit / 64bit bit size ROCK!! I will never switch back!!!
2009/11/16 15:05:03
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Undertow,
Your old speakers were probably Genelecs with ribbontweeters and the new are Dynaudio's....
Correct?
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Re:96kHZ 32bit / 64bit bit size ROCK!! I will never switch back!!!
2009/11/16 15:41:05
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432 and counting.....someone please pull the plug 
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Re:96kHZ 32bit / 64bit bit size ROCK!! I will never switch back!!!
2009/11/16 15:53:35
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432 and counting.....someone please pull the plug
666Khz 432bit / 666bit ROCK! Rock smell like brimstone, but I never switch back!!! This post was marked hellful.
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UnderTow
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Re:96kHZ 32bit / 64bit bit size ROCK!! I will never switch back!!!
2009/11/16 18:04:02
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Muziekschuur at home
Undertow,
Your old speakers were probably Genelecs with ribbontweeters and the new are Dynaudio's....
Correct?
Wrong on both counts. :) Does it matter? UnderTow
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Re:96kHZ 32bit / 64bit bit size ROCK!! I will never switch back!!!
2009/11/16 19:34:46
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Undertow are you a copyright lawyer? There is no copyright infringement if the copied text is given proper acknowledgment. Copying small parts of a copyrighted text is perfectly legal as long as it is stated where it comes from. I did not see the text in question but if you were aware that it had been copied because Freddie said so and where it was obtained from then you have no case.
Please stop scaring people with bogus assertions.
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Re:96kHZ 32bit / 64bit bit size ROCK!! I will never switch back!!!
2009/11/16 19:50:46
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http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html
"The distinction between fair use and infringement may be unclear and not easily defined. There is no specific number of words, lines, or notes that may safely be taken without permission.
Acknowledging the source of the copyrighted material does not substitute for obtaining permission."
post edited by mike_mccue - 2009/11/16 19:55:21
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Re:96kHZ 32bit / 64bit bit size ROCK!! I will never switch back!!!
2009/11/16 19:54:39
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John
Undertow are you a copyright lawyer? There is no copyright infringement if the copied text is given proper acknowledgment. Copying small parts of a copyrighted text is perfectly legal as long as it is stated where it comes from. I did not see the text in question but if you were aware that it had been copied because Freddie said so and where it was obtained from then you have no case.
If he has no authorisation from the Copyright holder he has no right to copy. End of story. Please stop scaring people with bogus assertions.
Feel free to correct any bogus assertion I make John. This one isn't. UnderTow
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Re:96kHZ 32bit / 64bit bit size ROCK!! I will never switch back!!!
2009/11/16 20:01:18
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If he has no authorisation from the Copyright holder he has no right to copy. End of story.
That is wrong. You need to read up on this before you make bogus statements. Also it depends on what kind of use the material is used for. Then there is the web itself. There is a huge area of gray when such material is posted by the author on the web. It is not as cut and dried as you may think. Again you are not a lawyer so refrain from giving legal advice.
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Re:96kHZ 32bit / 64bit bit size ROCK!! I will never switch back!!!
2009/11/16 20:05:13
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John
If he has no authorisation from the Copyright holder he has no right to copy. End of story. That is wrong. You need to read up on this before you make bogus statements. Also it depends on what kind of use the material is used for. Then there is the web itself. There is a huge area of gray when such material is posted by the author on the web. It is not as cut and dried as you may think. Again you are not a lawyer so refrain from giving legal advice.
Nor are you and the advice you are giving right here is potentially much more dangerous. Do you really think that is very smart? Anyway, the problem is long resolved. Are you interested in adding anything useful about the topic of this thread or are you just interested in kicking up some dust? PS: As I mentioned earlier, I reported this to the forum moderators. If they find that I was out of order, I am sure they will tell me. UnderTow
post edited by UnderTow - 2009/11/16 20:06:57
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Re:96kHZ 32bit / 64bit bit size ROCK!! I will never switch back!!!
2009/11/16 20:21:32
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No, I am interested in stopping your attacks on the members on this forum. So far you have attack CJ and Freddie because you don't agree with them. Not agreeing is fine but attacking is not.
In this case you said you reported Freddie to the copyright holder. You gave no notice to Freddie that you were going to do this and give him a chance to protect himself. This is a highly aggressive act on your part and not in keeping with the nature of this forum. Its rather appalling that you would resort to such tactics.
Even though the copyright issue is a bogus one in this case the idea you would report Freddie really does say a lot about you. I don't believe you were in anyway concerned about the author's rights but rather using it as a way to attack Freddie.
Stuff like this needs to be pointed out as the aggression it is.
To me you are a major reason people find this forum inhospitable.
I don't know what motivates you but Freddie has done nothing against you or said anything attacking you yet you take it on yourself to make him feel unwelcome here. So far you have not as far as I can tell violated the TOS however be assured that when you do I will report you.
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Re:96kHZ 32bit / 64bit bit size ROCK!! I will never switch back!!!
2009/11/16 20:45:45
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This thread should have died FOREVER ago. What in the world is it doing still here? Such a strange place lately. I, for one, am basically done with it. It used to be fun to come here and debate stuff and chat about stuff, and now it's broken down into little groups of... something... I don't know what. Even "senior" level people asking each other why they post, or being antagonistic or even threatening. Please, folks, can we just let all this stuff go? It's just a music forum. People have differing opinions in just about everything on the internet... no reason to get upset one way or another (though I suppose I'm breaking that rule a little by writing this post). Not directed at anyone. Just noticing that one of my personal favorite places to go waste some time with peers from all over has degraded to what it is now. I figured it would happen when folks started getting unchecked (and backed up by others) a while ago, but goodness it's just lame now. No disrespect intended. I like you folks.  - zevo
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Re:96kHZ 32bit / 64bit bit size ROCK!! I will never switch back!!!
2009/11/16 20:50:57
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Hmmm, if I put the following at the bottom of my posts:
"©2009 This message may not be copied without permission."
Does that mean no one here can quote me?
drewfx
©2009 This message may not be copied without permission.
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UnderTow
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Re:96kHZ 32bit / 64bit bit size ROCK!! I will never switch back!!!
2009/11/16 21:11:44
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John
No, I am interested in stopping your attacks on the members on this forum. So far you have attack CJ and Freddie because you don't agree with them. Not agreeing is fine but attacking is not.
I have not attacked Freddie. I have pointed out what a pain CJ is, yes. He doesn't seem to learn. He continiue his selfish antics in a thread that does not concern or affect him. That has nothing to do with this topic anyway. Anyway, most of what Freddie had posted was stuff from Dan Lavry. I agree with the vast majority of what Dan Lavry writes. This has absolutely nothing to do with disagreeing. I even suggested that Freddie post links to the material. You are imagining things John. In this case you said you reported Freddie to the copyright holder.
I reported those specific posts to the forum moderators. EDIT: I see that that might not have been entirely clear. My intention was to say that I had reported the posts and not do it in secret. I did not intend to scare Freddie. If I did, I apologise for that. You gave no notice to Freddie that you were going to do this and give him a chance to protect himself. This is a highly aggressive act on your part and not in keeping with the nature of this forum. Its rather appalling that you would resort to such tactics.
Protect himself against what? That the moderators remove the posts because they are copyright infringements? So what? Even though the copyright issue is a bogus one in this case the idea you would report Freddie really does say a lot about you. I don't believe you were in anyway concerned about the author's rights but rather using it as a way to attack Freddie.
Why would I attack Freddie?
Stuff like this needs to be pointed out as the aggression it is.
To me you are a major reason people find this forum inhospitable.
I am sure CJ finds me inhospitable at the moment. That is because I am towards him. I have had enough of HIS behaviour.
I don't know what motivates you but Freddie has done nothing against you or said anything attacking you yet you take it on yourself to make him feel unwelcome here. So far you have not as far as I can tell violated the TOS however be assured that when you do I will report you.
And so you should. Just as I did with three (I think) posts of Freddie that IMO were out of line. Anything else is your projection. If you would pay attention you would see that in my previous post to Freddie I am giving him advice. I have nothing against him and I don't wish him to go away or anything like that. He removed the posts that were out of line. Case closed. UnderTow
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Re:96kHZ 32bit / 64bit bit size ROCK!! I will never switch back!!!
2009/11/16 22:19:58
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I'm a 96/24 guy but I don't know if I can tell the difference. I never tested myself. Like some other dudes have said, I just do it because I can. I should test myself sometime though. It would be interesting.
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Re:96kHZ 32bit / 64bit bit size ROCK!! I will never switch back!!!
2009/11/17 09:26:48
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that's section 107 for anyone leafing through the copyright act
I thought it became apparent through the course of this thread that Freddie did not agree with Freddie.
The use of Dan Lavry's essays in the entirety was not an example of fair use... the posting of the content was not framed as an illustrative example of something Freddie was discussing but rather served as a sort of substitute for any response Freddie did not take the oppurtunity to provide.
Freddie simply cut and pasted a document protected by a posted copyright into his post, in toto, and expected the weight of Mr Lavry's authority to substantiate his (Freddie's) position without further explanation or contribution of original thoughts.
That's uncool.
Besides, I don't think Freddie actually reads that stuff before he posts it.
That's like, totally uncool.
How long did it take to figure out that 24/96 takes more resources than 24/48? A week? :-S
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Re:96kHZ 32bit / 64bit bit size ROCK!! I will never switch back!!!
2009/11/17 10:11:42
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Wail, I'll tell ya folks this here's been like watchin a high school production of King Lear or somethin. I ain't heard caterwhualin like this since the orphanage burned down. If we just had some CGI'd cars bein tossed around, a few buildins fallin down, a bunch of big ol wompin explosions and could get somebody like that mushy mouthed Batman actor Christian Bale to play Freddie I thank we could make a killin next summer at the movie house. Somethin ta thank about. Also, and tangentially, how come ever other thread on gawds-green-earth gets moved but not this un?? Might be the Bakers is all wrapped up in it too and is waitin ta see if Freddie can save Gotham city before it all ends.
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Re:96kHZ 32bit / 64bit bit size ROCK!! I will never switch back!!!
2009/11/18 21:25:59
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Re:96kHZ 32bit / 64bit bit size ROCK!! I will never switch back!!!
2009/11/19 10:24:00
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John
No, I am interested in stopping your attacks on the members on this forum. So far you have attack CJ and Freddie because you don't agree with them. Not agreeing is fine but attacking is not.
In this case you said you reported Freddie to the copyright holder. You gave no notice to Freddie that you were going to do this and give him a chance to protect himself. This is a highly aggressive act on your part and not in keeping with the nature of this forum. Its rather appalling that you would resort to such tactics.
Even though the copyright issue is a bogus one in this case the idea you would report Freddie really does say a lot about you. I don't believe you were in anyway concerned about the author's rights but rather using it as a way to attack Freddie.
Stuff like this needs to be pointed out as the aggression it is.
To me you are a major reason people find this forum inhospitable.
I don't know what motivates you but Freddie has done nothing against you or said anything attacking you yet you take it on yourself to make him feel unwelcome here. So far you have not as far as I can tell violated the TOS however be assured that when you do I will report you.
+10000000 We need to stop this garbage. We can all all agree to disagree, and that is our right on this forum. But personal attacks and garbage claims of copyright infringement..... Whats next footnoting the quote he made about the copyright? Geesh! How long does this have to last before forum removal....I believe the TOS states something about this regardless of the number of posts a member has. (I don't want to quote the TOS just in case the UnderTow cops come chasing after me hehe)
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Re:96kHZ 32bit / 64bit bit size ROCK!! I will never switch back!!!
2009/11/19 11:12:24
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personally i dont see all this agressive thing in undertows postings....
...trying to be polite... quick temper...trying to be...
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Re:96kHZ 32bit / 64bit bit size ROCK!! I will never switch back!!!
2009/11/19 13:22:55
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caterwhualin Now there's a nice descriptive and textural word with a dialectic spelling that sounds mighty fine whatever the sample rate or bit depth.
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Re:96kHZ 32bit / 64bit bit size ROCK!! I will never switch back!!!
2009/11/19 14:14:58
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info@tomflair.com
personally i dont see all this agressive thing in undertows postings....
The people I disagree with don't like me. It is a sign of success.  UnderTow
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Re:96kHZ 32bit / 64bit bit size ROCK!! I will never switch back!!!
2009/11/19 14:38:37
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UnderTow
info@tomflair.com
personally i dont see all this agressive thing in undertows postings....
The people I disagree with don't like me. It is a sign of success.
UnderTow
You are crazy Alistair --->meaning in a nice way! =) Don't be mistaken, I don't dislike you even though we disagree. I don't dislike anyone here at this FORUM. How could I? Propellerhead, Pro Tools and Waves isn't a member! LOL  Regards Freddie
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Re:96kHZ 32bit / 64bit bit size ROCK!! I will never switch back!!!
2009/11/19 15:00:09
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Re:96kHZ 32bit / 64bit bit size ROCK!! I will never switch back!!!
2009/11/22 20:31:52
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bitflipper
Its matter of opinion!
No, it's not. It's physics. Sample rate has nothing to do with dynamic range. Everyone has a right to an opinion, but that is not a license to just make sh*t up.
Nevertheless, I would be the last person in the world to want to dampen Freddie's enthusiasm. So pay no mind to naysayers like me and carry on, my friend. After all, with the economy like it is, disk drive manufacturers need all the help they can get!
BitFlipper I literally fell off my chair laughing! Man, you should've been a comedian! Seriously though, I've been involved with studio recording since the late sixties and this is an argument that's gone on since at least 8 bit days. Been involved in all sorts of tests to see just where the human audio perception really ends. Even after acknowledging that performing musicians lose their high end hearing faster and to a greater degree than average; they called in much younger ears to see what they could hear. By the time they got to 48/24 most were all over the place. Mind you, we're talking about young engineers who make their living making us sound good. From that time on industry standard has suited me well. In lots of cases we feel as well as hear music. Remember Beethoven was deaf. We're still trying to hear music as well as him. Maybe Freddie's level of feeling is beyond what we're able to hear. I'm really enjoying this. Peace
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Re:96kHZ 32bit / 64bit bit size ROCK!! I will never switch back!!!
2009/11/23 08:35:12
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This is immense lol
I record in 48Khz/24bit - always sounds strong to me. I only used this after reading that a lot of people in the business did this. I didn't know any better or why until I researched it here. Sounds better than CD standard, but even then the difference, while audible, is not massive. The big difference only comes when I compress to MP3... even at higher bitrates. I'd imagine that pushing up to 96/32 would represent a sound difference that only the most discerning ear could pick up...
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Re:96kHZ 32bit / 64bit bit size ROCK!! I will never switch back!!!
2009/11/23 10:21:44
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dariunas
I'd imagine that pushing up to 96/32 would represent a sound difference that only the most discerning ear could pick up...
Not to mean any disrespect, but you'll benefit from reading the whole thread (minus the annoying parts). It didn't seem like you did.
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Re:96kHZ 32bit / 64bit bit size VS 48kHz! Does it sound better in 96kHz?
2009/11/23 18:27:28
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I came in late to this thread. I found the discussion for the most part, quite informative. There are very good cases made regarding the sample rate in relation to the Nyquist Sampling Theory. Myself, I am pretty much a layman regarding a lot of this, but I was able to follow. I got a hunch many are tired of this thread, but I will try asking a related question anyway.
In spite of all the valid arguments presented in the previous pages as to why higher sampling rates do not produce anything better that we can actually hear, then why does the BluRay lossless audio codecs support these higher sampling rates? For example, the DTS-HD MA codec supports a maximum of 192 kHz sampling frequency and 24-bit depth samples in 2 channels stereo mode, and 96 kHz/24bit resolution in multichannel mode with up to 8 channels. Why does BluRay support this?
Please note that I am not intending to stir up the pot here. I am just seeking answers/comments, since on the audio boards most people are looking to get these types of numbers in the audio playback.
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Re:96kHZ 32bit / 64bit bit size VS 48kHz! Does it sound better in 96kHz?
2009/11/23 18:53:27
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KenB123
In spite of all the valid arguments presented in the previous pages as to why higher sampling rates do not produce anything better that we can actually hear, then why does the BluRay lossless audio codecs support these higher sampling rates? For example, the DTS-HD MA codec supports a maximum of 192 kHz sampling frequency and 24-bit depth samples in 2 channels stereo mode, and 96 kHz/24bit resolution in multichannel mode with up to 8 channels. Why does BluRay support this?
Follow the money baby. I guess it has to do with whom is in the BluRay Disc Association. Computer manufacturers that love selling more powerful computers with more storage. Consumer electronics manufacturers that would love everyone to replace their CD players. (The sole reason SACD was ever released was because the patent on CDs ran out. When SACD hit the market, the technology was already outdated and 1-bit converters where replaced by multi-bit converters). It has absolutely nothing to do with sound quality. UnderTow
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