Guitarmech111
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Re: ADMINS - please let users edit thier own threads as SOLVED
2013/11/11 15:10:01
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Anderton
WDI Personally I think only the person that created the thread should change the title. Unless it's inappropriate.
I really don't see it as trying to help the forum but rather trying to make everything look hunky dory.
I think you missed my point. I don't read every thread in this forum, BUT I do read every thread that says "solved/resolved/answered" so that I am aware of how to fix a problem should I encounter it in my own work. This saves a huge amount of time. Also, if a problem is NOT marked as solved, of course I want to help find a solution. But then it will sometimes take me several pages of reading what people have done, only to find that at the end of page 3, someone already solved it...another waste of time. These forums are designed to provide a peer-to-peer service. Part of that service is alerting people of problems and solving problems. If people can find out quickly that a problem has been solved, that provides a higher level of service - especially if they have encountered that problem, or they encounter that problem in the future and remember that a solution was already presented in the forum. I also think there should be another flag - "workaround" for when the problem mentioned in the thread has not been solved, but there's a way to work around it.
Workaround is a great option too. If asked, I will add that to any workaround I have recieved if asked. Craig, you are doing a great job and I hope you do not take any of this personally. You have a lot to offer to this community and I seriously appreciate it!
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Re: ADMINS - please let users edit thier own threads as SOLVED
2013/11/11 15:11:56
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WDI Personally I think only the person that created the thread should change the title. Unless it's inappropriate.
I really don't see it as trying to help the forum but rather trying to make everything look hunky dory.
You want us to help resolve issues right? So how does it help us to re-read the same thread that has been solved but just has a lot of post conversation. It's not like we are closing threads or marking things that aren't solved. I would say the majority of them are marked correctly. And what's wrong with letting people know an issue has been solved? I don't see your point.
It's just the way I interpreted it when I saw it happening. A couple of times I was wonder if the thread starter felt it was resolved.
Besides, I was always under the impression that this is not an official technical support route. If I expect help from cakewalk employes I would expect someone to call or email technical support at cakewalk. Perhaps I'm wrong and this is an official support route from cakewalk now. If so then that is different.
We are asked to be more involved and communicate more. It makes it whole lot easier when we don't have to re-read the same thread that has been solved 10 times. So that's why were doing it. FWIW, the tag is only added if the OP replies his problem was solved, he found a workaround that resolved the issue or the question was answered. I mean, I still don't understand what the big deal is...we aren't editing your words...just marking them solved. I also think it has helped others more pro-actively mark their posts as solved as I have seen that more and also if someone else is having the same issue, they can go to a thread that has been resolved. What is the major drawback besides the fact that we added a few characters to the subject line. How does the good outweigh the bad?
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Re: ADMINS - please let users edit thier own threads as SOLVED
2013/11/11 15:12:11
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Kalle Rantaaho I wish the OPs would more actively report on the success of their queries, but I don't like the idea of moderators marking threads solved. It's not a matter of "who owns the forum", it's a matter of common courtesy and putting words in my mouth. If the OP clearly writes:"I got it, problem solved", then the moderators can add the comment, even though it's unnecessary, then.
Once a problem is solved, not only do OPs often not indicate the problem has been solved, they may not even come back into the thread because they're off doing whatever it is they wanted to do. It takes a lot more time to wade through a thread to see if someone said "I got it, problem solved" then it does to see "Solved" in the thread title. I don't understand how making it easier for people in the forums to find useful information has any downside, other than a possible misidentification. But even then, it's not set in stone should it occur, as the OP can change it back. And I would venture to say the number of misidentifications has been minuscule.
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Re: ADMINS - please let users edit thier own threads as SOLVED
2013/11/11 15:14:30
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Guitarmech111 yeah, but at least I feel better having said my piece. I was simply asking to not mark the threads as solved. Let the users do it. You, as a cakewalk rep, are not even guaranteed to be on this user supported forum. I have no problem spending time on the thread btw. I have time to spare unfortunately. Before recently, I have not seen the moderators or admins edit thread titles. When mine got edited, I was surprised. I did not have a problem with the ones that were solved. My post only requested to stop doing it. If not for everyone, then please allow mine to go unedited. Is that really too much to ask? It would save the admins/mods time having to go and mark SOLVED when they are not. I don't post often any more. When I do, it is because of something that is not working right. If I get something working, I say thanks for the help. That should be all that is required. If the volume of threads is so much that you have to manage them as solved or not, then something is not right. I am not trying to start anything. I only asked a simple question in my OP. I saw nothing wrong with requestiong to not have threads marked with SOLVED if they were not. I still don't. If marking the titles are not required, I would appreciate it if mine were not marked. If asked to do so, which should take the same amount of time as marking them solved, I will do so.
I guess you can't win. You want us to be more heavily involved but at the same time a benign action like marking a post solved (when prob 99% of the time it is) seems to bother you. The time it takes to mark a post solved is far less than re-reading the same threads over and over again only to realize the issue is solved. Honestly, I don't see big deal at all.
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Re: ADMINS - please let users edit thier own threads as SOLVED
2013/11/11 15:17:00
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2 out of 3 ain't bad... ;) As I reread my OP, the final thought was respect for the OP. It looks like some people don't want to care about that I guess. Thanks for the help again guys.
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Re: ADMINS - please let users edit thier own threads as SOLVED
2013/11/11 15:17:54
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Anderton
WDI Personally I think only the person that created the thread should change the title. Unless it's inappropriate.
I really don't see it as trying to help the forum but rather trying to make everything look hunky dory.
I think you missed my point. I don't read every thread in this forum, BUT I do read every thread that says "solved/resolved/answered" so that I am aware of how to fix a problem should I encounter it in my own work. This saves a huge amount of time. Also, if a problem is NOT marked as solved, of course I want to help find a solution. But then it will sometimes take me several pages of reading what people have done, only to find that at the end of page 3, someone already solved it...another waste of time. These forums are designed to provide a peer-to-peer service. Part of that service is alerting people of problems and solving problems. If people can find out quickly that a problem has been solved, that provides a higher level of service - especially if they have encountered that problem, or they encounter that problem in the future and remember that a solution was already presented in the forum. I also think there should be another flag - "workaround" for when the problem mentioned in the thread has not been solved, but there's a way to work around it.
Thanks Craig. Exactly my point. I can't tell you how many posts I have read where I come to find the issue has been resolved and then a few days later I forget because there are so many posts and re-read it again. It's like groundhog day. I think the spirit for all of us on the other side of the fence here is to try and escalate or resolve as many users issues as possible. Marking them clearly makes it so much easier. I am still trying to understand the really negative downside that outweighs all the positive.
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Re: ADMINS - please let users edit thier own threads as SOLVED
2013/11/11 15:20:51
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Guitarmech111 yeah, but at least I feel better having said my piece. I was simply asking to not mark the threads as solved. Let the users do it. You, as a cakewalk rep, are not even guaranteed to be on this user supported forum. I am a long-time user. Guitarmech111 Before recently, I have not seen the moderators or admins edit thread titles. We are trying to raise the level of service and quality of information provided to users. Guitarmech111 If not for everyone, then please allow mine to go unedited. Is that really too much to ask? If you indicate yourself when something has been solved, then there's no need for anyone else to do it. Can't you see how doing so would be useful to other users? But if what you're saying is that you want to be able not to indicate when a problem has been solved even when it has, and you want us to maintain a list of people who don't want to indicate when a problem has been solved and we check that list before indicating a problem has been solved...that actually is too much to ask. I think it's simply a matter of courtesy to other users to let them know what problems exist that are solvable. Why should people have to experience frustration finding out something for themselves when they could have been aware all along that a solution existed? Guitarmech111 I saw nothing wrong with requestiong to not have threads marked with SOLVED if they were not. No one wants to mark a thread "Solved" if indeed it hasn't been. But also remember that sometimes the questions themselves are ambiguous, and one can think a problem has been solved but it wasn't the problem the OP had in mind.
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Re: ADMINS - please let users edit thier own threads as SOLVED
2013/11/11 15:22:55
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Guitarmech111 2 out of 3 ain't bad... ;) As I reread my OP, the final thought was respect for the OP. It looks like some people don't want to care about that I guess.
Summarizing the conclusions of a thread for the benefit of other users shows no disrespect for the OP.
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Re: ADMINS - please let users edit thier own threads as SOLVED
2013/11/11 15:24:18
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an incorrect summary does though. As I mentioned, you got 2/3 of my threads. Not bad...
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Re: ADMINS - please let users edit thier own threads as SOLVED
2013/11/11 15:24:23
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Solved, workaround or dead horse. Does it for me
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Re: ADMINS - please let users edit thier own threads as SOLVED
2013/11/11 15:28:37
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Re: ADMINS - please let users edit thier own threads as SOLVED
2013/11/11 15:30:31
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Wow... Keep doing what you're doing guys, and thank you for all the help you've given on the forum. I, for one, forgive you for occasionally prematurely marking a thread as solved. NEW TOPIC!!!
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Re: ADMINS - please let users edit thier own threads as SOLVED
2013/11/11 15:39:59
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man, can someone just delete this thread please or move it to the coffee house?
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Re: ADMINS - please let users edit thier own threads as SOLVED
2013/11/11 18:19:16
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The problem could (theoretically) be solved if admins had a way of privately marking a post as solved, which would show up for them and not for normal users.
I'm in two minds about the issue - on the one hand, it's good forum etiquette to mark problems as solved (especially the ones which have titles which reflect badly on Sonar but which turn out to be user error). On the other, there are going to be instances in which the question of whether or not a problem has been solved is subjective.
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Re: ADMINS - please let users edit thier own threads as SOLVED
2013/11/11 18:59:10
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sharke The problem could (theoretically) be solved if admins had a way of privately marking a post as solved, which would show up for them and not for normal users. But that would defeat the ability of "normal" users to quickly scan the forum for solutions. I can't be the only person who does that...am I? sharke I'm in two minds about the issue - on the one hand, it's good forum etiquette to mark problems as solved (especially the ones which have titles which reflect badly on Sonar but which turn out to be user error). On the other, there are going to be instances in which the question of whether or not a problem has been solved is subjective.
The user error ones are IMHO the most important ones to flag, because if one person is encountering that problem, it's almost certain others are as well but they might not take the time post a thread about it, or they might have a workaround and don't care...but they would appreciate knowing that they can do something they didn't realize they could do. I think the fear of inaccurate assessments about whether something has been correctly identified as "solved" or not is truly a non-issue, because as far as I can tell so far there have been only two (?) instances of something being marked as "solved" when the OP thought it actually hadn't been. Compared to the number of threads that have been marked correctly, I think the benefits far outweigh any potential drawbacks - especially because the OP can always change the thread title, thus alerting whoever thought it was solved that it wasn't really solved after all.
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Re: ADMINS - please let users edit thier own threads as SOLVED
2013/11/11 19:46:57
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☄ Helpfulby Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk] 2013/11/12 00:33:12
Wow, what a thread. I think the Admins (and Craig) are actually appreciated by most, and are doing the right thing by everyone quite frankly. And when I see comments of this coming down to "Respect for the OP", it just makes me think ... wow, blow it out your flaming rear end man, talk about hot air. If anyone get's short changed in the respect department around here, I would say it's those very admins and Cakewalk staff who come here to help. QDOS to Cake for turning up here and cutting through all the criticism and lack of respect to provide the help that they do. - Very Much Appreciated guys - Cheers - Cliff
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Re: ADMINS - please let users edit thier own threads as SOLVED
2013/11/11 20:04:42
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Thanks Cliff, I indeed feel appreciated. And I also know that this is a public forum, so you get all kinds. But what makes it worthwhile is solving someone's problem, or for that matter, being alerted to a bug and being able to reproduce it so it can be fixed. Compared to lots of forums, this is a bastion of sunshine, cooperation, and enlightenment.
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Re: ADMINS - please let users edit thier own threads as SOLVED
2013/11/11 21:13:21
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An observation. I don't normally start threads. I tend to respond to threads already started. On the few occasions I have started threads they tend to be informative. Meant to convey something. I'm not therefore in the position of asking for information very often. I think this has me viewing the forum more as a data base. A repository of information that can be searched or browsed. This would have me coming to it from perhaps a different perspective from Conley. Because a title post from his perspective may be from a wish to receive something that is both critical and timely. The need for the post to not be tampered with in any way is part of the nature of making sure that he is giving accurate information and can count on receiving as accurate information in return. He isn't looking at the forum as a large repository of data but rather discrete, independent conversations that have at their core, accuracy. That becomes paramount. Where for me its ease of retrieval that is more important. I don't know how one can reconcile these two views. But I do believe Conley has a legitimate fear that I should not be so dismissive of. At the same time I honestly don't believe that appending a single word to a title is anything less then helpful for the vast majority of forum users. The rationale seems solid to me and I have used it to skip by completed threads. Ones I know do not need me to post an answer. So I see it as a way for admins to mark threads as "taken care of" thus leaving more time for other threads. This also has the added bonus of advertising a completed problem and its resolution for those that wish to read about it. The originator may feel put off because no permission was given for changing the title. The only thing to say is no real harm is done by the change. It is to me very beneficial.
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Re: ADMINS - please let users edit thier own threads as SOLVED
2013/11/11 21:26:06
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This thread just reminded me to go back to a recent thread and mark it solved. Thanks.
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Re: ADMINS - please let users edit thier own threads as SOLVED
2013/11/11 21:31:59
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Re: ADMINS - please let users edit thier own threads as SOLVED
2013/11/11 23:27:57
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John An observation. I don't normally start threads. I tend to respond to threads already started. On the few occasions I have started threads they tend to be informative. Meant to convey something. I'm not therefore in the position of asking for information very often. I think this has me viewing the forum more as a data base. A repository of information that can be searched or browsed. This would have me coming to it from perhaps a different perspective from Conley. Because a title post from his perspective may be from a wish to receive something that is both critical and timely. The need for the post to not be tampered with in any way is part of the nature of making sure that he is giving accurate information and can count on receiving as accurate information in return. He isn't looking at the forum as a large repository of data but rather discrete, independent conversations that have at their core, accuracy. That becomes paramount. Where for me its ease of retrieval that is more important. I don't know how one can reconcile these two views. But I do believe Conley has a legitimate fear that I should not be so dismissive of. At the same time I honestly don't believe that appending a single word to a title is anything less then helpful for the vast majority of forum users. The rationale seems solid to me and I have used it to skip by completed threads. Ones I know do not need me to post an answer. So I see it as a way for admins to mark threads as "taken care of" thus leaving more time for other threads. This also has the added bonus of advertising a completed problem and its resolution for those that wish to read about it. The originator may feel put off because no permission was given for changing the title. The only thing to say is no real harm is done by the change. It is to me very beneficial.
Thanks John, that is exactly how I view the forum. I do search first, but not too much. As you may notice I do not post much around here in the forum, but when I do, I usually need help with something not working correctly while I am working with someone or something or venting my frustration. I have had my share of trolls and I choose not to take that persona. My initial post was an innocent request. It was not meant to disparage anyone. I was even making sure that I was appreciative of the help I had received prior. As new things come into peoples lives, change is not often accepted with open arms. I can deal with whatever the community decides is normal. I was just not used to it. I know there are changes at Cakewalk and this is probably part of those changes. So be it for the better. Thanks to all who participated and expressed your opinions. We all have one and we know what that is like. Now would someone please lock this thread or delete it? :-D
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Re: ADMINS - please let users edit thier own threads as SOLVED
2013/11/12 00:07:16
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Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk] I guess you can't win. You want us to be more heavily involved but at the same time a benign action like marking a post solved (when prob 99% of the time it is) seems to bother you. The time it takes to mark a post solved is far less than re-reading the same threads over and over again only to realize the issue is solved. Honestly, I don't see big deal at all.
I really don't like the tone of this statement. Meddling in poster's titles was one thing, but this is a whole next level of control. I'm flabbergasted. I suggest you lock threads the minute they don't interest you any more.
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Re: ADMINS - please let users edit thier own threads as SOLVED
2013/11/12 00:43:10
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Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk] I guess you can't win. You want us to be more heavily involved but at the same time a benign action like marking a post solved (when prob 99% of the time it is) seems to bother you. The time it takes to mark a post solved is far less than re-reading the same threads over and over again only to realize the issue is solved. Honestly, I don't see big deal at all.
I really don't like the tone of this statement. Meddling in poster's titles was one thing, but this is a whole next level of control. I'm flabbergasted. I suggest you lock threads the minute they don't interest you any more.
I think you misread my post or intention. I am not sure what this whole next level of control is beyond just tagging a title solved or answered...and I am not sure what you are talking about in regards to threads that don't interest me anymore and that I should lock them. Did I miss something here? The point is still pretty simple. It's just tagging the subject line (not editing anything in the post or subject line at all) with a solved or answered so staff and others can see an issue was resolved. It makes it a lot easier to browse and help more users. The benefit is pretty simple. The con I guess is that we added a word in front of your subject line, which is still intact otherwise.
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Re: ADMINS - please let users edit thier own threads as SOLVED
2013/11/12 00:54:38
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Paul P
Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk] I guess you can't win. You want us to be more heavily involved but at the same time a benign action like marking a post solved (when prob 99% of the time it is) seems to bother you. The time it takes to mark a post solved is far less than re-reading the same threads over and over again only to realize the issue is solved. Honestly, I don't see big deal at all.
I really don't like the tone of this statement. Meddling in poster's titles was one thing, but this is a whole next level of control. I'm flabbergasted.
[Wrote this before realizing Andrew had posted a response, but it might clarify matters further.] He's not saying marking a thread "solved" substitutes for reading a thread to see if it's solved. He's saying that if a thread is marked as solved (which applies to whether an end user or an admin does it), that will save time compared to people not knowing a problem has been solved, which will likely cause them to start a similar or identical thread that generates redundant pages. If a thread about that problem has been flagged as "solved," although there's no guarantee users will see the thread title and know it's been solved, not flagging it as "solved" guarantees they won't know the thread contains a solution unless they read it all the way through to the end. Then they may have to go through multiple identical threads until they find one that actually does have a solution. The whole point is to save time for people who use this forum - both users and admin. If I see a problem has been solved, I don't have to spend time going to the thread to see if I can find a solution that will help someone. They've already been helped. I can move on to a problem that hasn't been solved and see if I can find a solution. Users can check the "solved" threads to see if any of the solutions apply to issues they've had or may have in the future. I think this is all very clear and whether people agree or not, they understand the intent behind trying to help users get more out of this forum. There's nothing more I can say on the subject that hasn't already been said. However I did notice you're from Montreal, so if English is not your native language, I'm fluent in French and can translate if you'd like.
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Re: ADMINS - please let users edit thier own threads as SOLVED
2013/11/12 05:04:02
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i suggest that fixing the forum search functionality would be a good thing
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Re: ADMINS - please let users edit thier own threads as SOLVED
2013/11/12 05:24:16
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☄ Helpfulby Guitarmech111 2013/11/12 07:42:37
and, again, publishing a maintained known issues list stickied at the top of the forum - keep all the reproducible/known issues in one place - easier for everyone :-)
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Re: ADMINS - please let users edit thier own threads as SOLVED
2013/11/12 12:56:19
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lawp and, again, publishing a maintained known issues list stickied at the top of the forum - keep all the reproducible/known issues in one place - easier for everyone :-)
Actually I suggest this needs to be kept out of the forums and documented on another web page (ideally using tracker software perhaps such as https://www.atlassian.com/). Of course this will be down to Cakewalk's policy here (depends how open they want to be).
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Re: ADMINS - please let users edit thier own threads as SOLVED
2013/11/12 19:22:14
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I see it as they are showing that they care. they are here helping. by putting solved on the end of it, it means they don't have to trip over the same thread over and over, and know its done. it doesn't bother me much, besides, if you need more help just pm one of them or reopen it :-)
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Re: ADMINS - please let users edit thier own threads as SOLVED
2013/11/12 21:06:49
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John
One can start a thread but it does not belong to them.
I agree with John on this. It's an "open" discussion.
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Re: ADMINS - please let users edit thier own threads as SOLVED
2013/11/12 21:19:50
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Paul P
I really don't like the tone of this statement.
You have got to be kidding me!! You haven't heard him say anything , so how can you judge his "tone!?" I dislike censorship just as much as the next guy. But jumping to conclusions like this is unfounded. The bakers are here to help. Let them do it. You know what I dislike more than censorship?
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