What's all this talk of a manual?  What bloody manual? 

http://www.cakewalk.com/S...reader.aspx/2007013228

CW are all green aren't they

John

FastBikerBoy

I think in the future it would be best if you are ignored by me and I by you.

What? And spoil the entertainment for the rest of us?

It may be entertaining to you and others but to me its very sad. Its sad that a respected member is coming on this forum not to help others or to learn things but simply to make specious arguments about logic. To me its like watching the breakdown of a friend that should not be happening.

John, you have hit the nail on the head, so to speak.
Mike M. is very unhappy with the path CW has taken and he has continued for months and months to let the forum members and CW know this. Again and agian, over and over. His clever use of the english language is his major tool. I have noted this a few times in the past.
 
I tired of this long ago and have stayed away. I will not debate with Mike anymore. It's pointless. Also, as pointed out before, this is a forum for help and assistance, not a platform for clever debate.

mike_mccue


Hi Frank,
This forum is the primary venue for Cakewalk to observe how it's customers regard, interact with, and make use of it's software.

best regards,
mike

I have no factual knowledge at all but I'd be surprised if regular users of this forum account for anything more than a single digit percentage of total users. All IMHO of course.

I'd hate to be accused of being made of hay, or grass or whatever it is............

Clearly you have no humor in you either.

Twigman


              Strawman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrqOC-02xiA

My band saw this coming.... that's me on bass

Nice piece...like it a lot!!


And perfectly germane to the topic...

I like my mutes function here...

mike_mccue


"Its sad that a respected member is coming on this forum not to help others or to learn things but simply to make specious arguments about logic."

This another self serving fabricated piece of vivid imagination fabricated to make you feel better about yourself.

My initial response to the OP appears as post #3:

That would be on Page 528 of the SONAR X1 Reference Guide.

Well, actually you have to read page 506 to see the explanation to press "I".

Everything you need to know is in the "Inspectors" section that starts on page 503.


Of course it helps to know that the old right click menu has been hidden in the Inspector module... that way you can go look it up in the Reference guide index under Inspector.

;-)


best regards,
mike

Your initial response to the OP appears as post #4

Do you really want to know?

I wonder, who would you say attempted to be more helpful? I guess you've already stated that you don't think it was me, but there is this strange thing called reality and it is all in the record.

You've got Frank, who is predisposed to your opinion eating out of your hand.

I trust, or rather hope, that the majority of readers will form their opinions after reading and understanding what has transpired.

Good day to you sir,
mike

Your remark about me is based on the fact that I find your "superior attitude" and constant interjection of derogitory comments about X1 and CW distasteful? So that means I am eating out of Johns hand because I disagree with your poor attitude and continual argumenative dialogs and find them offensive?
 
BTW-your ridiculous story about the person who thought you were amazing becuase you knew what crop and dodge meant without using a manual.
Wow Mike-I would have to surmize that the entity that made that statement about you is the basis for your current avitar. Cool!

You've got Frank, who is predisposed to your opinion eating out of your hand.

Mike you can attack me all you want but please don't try to drag others into this. Nor is it right to belittle anyone simply because they disagree with you.

I trust, or rather hope, that the majority of readers will form their opinions after reading and understanding what has transpired.

I have the same view. Except I don't hope, I know what they will think.

Guys, this is insane and completely out of hand. Really. Just let it go. Can one of the admins please lock this kindergarten up?

there just getting some long time fristrations out.thats all.this will blow over for a few more weeks,months,,then they'll do it again.
to be completely honest.i have a lot of respect for john..i think hes a good guy who helps out a lot..and you know what..i think mike..is also a real good guy..and hes very smart.his vocab alone isnt made up stuff. he knows what hes talking about.and so does john.mike helps out alot to.ive seen mike answer posts to help out people who have been waiting a day for an answer.and john..same thing.enjoys sonar loves to help and help anyone..so im in a postition where i wont even post my opinion..cause i know they will soon get it out of there system and do it again in another month or so.lol..in some sick sort of way..you guys both keep eachother in check.
weather thats right or wrong.it is what it is and weve(or I) have come accoustome to it.
have a nice day guys.

Whew! And I thought it was me!

@John T -

It seems to me from the wikipedia definition that "Straw Man Fallacy" is an entirely appropriate label for what I've read on this forum with respect to many responses to Mike's posts.

But to get back on topic:

One could only be described as an idiot if, after all that you've read on this forum over the past three or four months, you purchase and install SONAR X1 and uninstall your previous version, and continue working on your projects and expect to have no problems of any kind.

I, for one, paid my annual upgrade tax to Cakewalk willingly, fully aware that the amount of newly written code in X1 was bound to have some bugs; and also aware that some of the UI changes were not to my initial liking. I think experienced users are still working through a trial period with X1 - I know I am. I am not using it for any critical project, but I am experimenting with it as time allows. 

Some of the changes in X1 are good, and only take some time to get used to and in rare cases, develop workarounds for. Others still make no sense to me after months of exposure.

It is sad, but next year I will no longer be one of the first adopters of the next version until I see that Cakewalk have aligned their product development closer to what I expect.

To be honest, I don't have high hopes of this. But I know this: Cakewalk do monitor this forum, and do take note of what people say here. I've seen real change effected in the product before, based on converstations that started here on the forum.

Therefore, until I completely give up hope, I - and other SONAR users who are less than completely happy with the changes in the product - will continue to be vocal about what we perceive as shortcomings in X1. 

(OK, maybe it was only somewhat on-topic.) 

brundlefly

stickmnan393
It seems to me from the wikipedia definition that "Straw Man Fallacy" is an entirely appropriate label for what I've read on this forum with respect to many responses to Mike's posts.

Gee, this Straw Man reference seems to have gotten quite popular since I used it last week: http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2277230


If, as they say, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, I guess I should be honored. Not that it's never appeared on the forum before, of course, but the frequency of use seems to have spiked in recent days.

Or maybe that's just my ego talking, and someone else's earlier post inspired me subconsciously as well...?

I don't consider that a strawman either. It's simply a statement.

..

Excellent!

I've been away for a few days and missed all this


I should go away more often.