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Re:Ampeg SVX and AmpliTube Fender up to 60% off! 2012/07/31 08:54:40 (permalink)
I, too, support Obi....

What is the harm?  I mean really?

We all post deals when we find out about them so
others benefit!!!  What's the harm if Obi, as a member
of the forum, posts the same or give us a heads up
about what IK is doing? 

No harm, no foul IMHO
Thanks Obi!!


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Re:Ampeg SVX and AmpliTube Fender up to 60% off! 2012/07/31 09:22:17 (permalink)
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all i saw, is what the moderators probally saw ..60% OFF Ampeg SVX.. WOWW!! whether the post was an ad/spam or whatever. it was a nice heads up and good lookin out. and it is very relative to alot of members..

you self-appointed forum hall monitors kill me man. if the moderators didnt concern themselves with the thread, then theres no need to police and tattle tale on grown people on the Non cakewalk Software forum. no disrepect, it just seems so petty.


I know, I hate doing it myself.

So why somebody purporting to be an intelligent person can't read the the simple relevant point in the TOS and play ball completely defeats me.

What's worse is that I don't disrespect anybody elses view on the subject and don't expect anybody to adopt my own personal views or even agree with them but for the reasons I've already made clear in this thread which of course make perfect sense to me, I don't understand the abuse that follows somebody expressing an anti-spam point of view.

For example I don't recall anybody asking you if you were 'for real' just for having a view on the subject.

Some are against spamming some ain't I get that.  Can't we all just get along?

I wouldn't have even entered this discussion if somebody else wasn't getting personally slammed yet again for a view I happen to agree with.  I'd have simply reported it quietly and moved on.  He didn't want that and nor do I, so why does this ONE individual persist on abusing the terms he agreed to abide by when he signed up?
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Re:Ampeg SVX and AmpliTube Fender up to 60% off! 2012/07/31 09:40:55 (permalink)
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I have a MOTU 896HD in very nice shape for sale. I'm asking $325 and buyer pays shipping and insurance. PM me. Pictures upon request. Works well with SONAR.


Apart from being a bloody killjoy - this is the software forum, so

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Re:Ampeg SVX and AmpliTube Fender up to 60% off! 2012/07/31 09:48:56 (permalink)
What's the moral difference - if any - between a regular member posting on the SOFTWARE forum about a great deal on Amplitude over at IK multimedia, or OBI providing a heads up?

Is this forum solely dedicated to Cakewalk software? Or is that the purpose of the X1 & Producer & Studio forums? If so, what is this forum for?

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Re:Ampeg SVX and AmpliTube Fender up to 60% off! 2012/07/31 09:55:02 (permalink)
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 so why does this ONE individual persist on abusing the terms he agreed to abide by when he signed up? 

Because he is paid to do so...
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Re:Ampeg SVX and AmpliTube Fender up to 60% off! 2012/07/31 10:06:05 (permalink)
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What's the moral difference - if any - between a regular member posting on the SOFTWARE forum about a great deal on Amplitude over at IK multimedia, or OBI providing a heads up?

Is this forum solely dedicated to Cakewalk software? Or is that the purpose of the X1 & Producer & Studio forums? If so, what is this forum for?


It's not a sales forum that's for sure.  You wouldn't go to the trouble of putting No Advertising in the TOS otherwise.

It's for you and I to share our experience as Cakewalk users with third party software not for paid reps to come a spamming.

Go to IK's site and promote some products they will clarify the difference for you if you are REALLY having difficulty understanding it.
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Re:Ampeg SVX and AmpliTube Fender up to 60% off! 2012/07/31 10:07:14 (permalink)
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Jonbouy


 so why does this ONE individual persist on abusing the terms he agreed to abide by when he signed up? 

Because he is paid to do so...


Exactly!

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Re:Ampeg SVX and AmpliTube Fender up to 60% off! 2012/07/31 10:16:20 (permalink)
Oh look here's another one already.

Somebody must have started a trend.

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2626932

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Re:Ampeg SVX and AmpliTube Fender up to 60% off! 2012/07/31 10:17:57 (permalink)
I really have been trying to stay out of this argument.  I've been in similar ones before and for some reason it tends to get nasty every time.

Even tho I was one of the ones who asked Obi to come back and post, I have to agree with Earl & Jon that this particular post is spamming and is against the TOS.

I DO like Obi being on these boards.  I DO like him answering questions and offering support help.  however, posting sales on items by the software company's representative is against the TOS.  it's not against the TOS for members to post information on these sales.  and yes, that seems like a grey line and a very messy double standard.  but it's still farily clear in my mind the difference between a user posting a heads up on a product that might be beneficial and a company rep posting a sale with links.

I am going to try not to continue to argue with anyone about this.  I just wanted to add my 2 cents because it was brought up that the majority of users hold the other viewpoint and I do not wish to be counted in that number regardless of where that number was derived from.

directly to Obi:  I do enjoy you being on these boards.  I do appreciate your help and insight on IK products.  but I personally do not think you are following the TOS when you create threads like this one.  that's just my opinion and my opinion really doesn't matter since I'm not a moderator.

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Re:Ampeg SVX and AmpliTube Fender up to 60% off! 2012/07/31 10:25:54 (permalink)
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directly to Obi:  I do enjoy you being on these boards.  I do appreciate your help and insight on IK products.  but I personally do not think you are following the TOS when you create threads like this one.  that's just my opinion and my opinion really doesn't matter since I'm not a moderator.

I'd also add that I'm not a moderator either, and just because moderators have not intervened here, probably because they have better things to do, it doesn't absolve the responsibility of a grown adult to abide by the terms he signed up for.  I've crossed the line here more than once and have taken the consequences of doing that on the chin when it has happened.

Obi does know the difference.  He continually elects to cross the line, the disturbance caused on either side of the fence is of his making and nobody elses.

It doesn't even show the company he represents in a good light and makes me think that they don't care about the customers they service as long as they can get the word out by whatever dodgy means available, if this indeed is part of their policy and not just Obi's personal agenda.

No Advertising isn't a messy double standard it simply means No Advertising.
post edited by Jonbouy - 2012/07/31 10:36:51

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Re:Ampeg SVX and AmpliTube Fender up to 60% off! 2012/07/31 10:37:57 (permalink)
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What's the moral difference - if any - between a regular member posting on the SOFTWARE forum about a great deal on Amplitude over at IK multimedia, or OBI providing a heads up?

r is that the purpose of the X1 & Producer & Studio forums? If so, what is this forum for?
The difference, and it is quite large, is he is paid by a company to come here and do this. If you or any other forum member want to post regarding a great deal on IK or any other manufacturers software, you don't have a vested interest. And are welcome to do so. Heck I've seen many, many members tout Reaper which is in direct competition with Cakewalk and not be censored. When a regular forum member (non-employee) gives a heads-up on a deal, that poster is not being compensated. In the older days of this forum, members went out of their way to make sure it was understood that they had no affiliation with the company of the product they were posting about.

I can assure you however, in spite of everyone believing Obi's just a good ol' boy who wants to help, he is here to line his pockets.

I can't run it down in any more simple terms than that. 

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Re:Ampeg SVX and AmpliTube Fender up to 60% off! 2012/07/31 10:37:57 (permalink)
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directly to Obi:  I do enjoy you being on these boards.  I do appreciate your help and insight on IK products.  but I personally do not think you are following the TOS when you create threads like this one.  that's just my opinion and my opinion really doesn't matter since I'm not a moderator.

I'd also add that I'm not a moderator either, and just because moderators have not intervened here, probably because they have better things to do, it doesn't absolve the responsibility of a grown adult to abide by the terms he signed up for.  I've crossed the line here more than once and have taken the consequences of doing that on the chin when it has happened. 


I do agree.  I remember not long ago a moderator was very upset in the CH over the way a thread had gone bad with people attacking each other and when he came in he specifically stated that absence of moderation does not mean that the moderators agree with what's going on.  it simply means they're too busy doing other things to babysit.

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Re:Ampeg SVX and AmpliTube Fender up to 60% off! 2012/07/31 10:42:11 (permalink)
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pdlstl


I have a MOTU 896HD in very nice shape for sale. I'm asking $325 and buyer pays shipping and insurance. PM me. Pictures upon request. Works well with SONAR.


Apart from being a bloody killjoy - this is the software forum, so


Killjoy?  I'd have thought you'd be able to get irony...

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Re:Ampeg SVX and AmpliTube Fender up to 60% off! 2012/07/31 10:47:25 (permalink)
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I'd also add that I'm not a moderator either, and just because moderators have not intervened here, probably because they have better things to do, it doesn't absolve the responsibility of a grown adult to abide by the terms he signed up for.  I've crossed the line here more than once and have taken the consequences of doing that on the chin when it has happened.

No Advertising isn't a messy double standard it simply means No Advertising.
I would like to add to what Jon said regarding the responsibility of members to abide by the rules we ALL agree to when we join this forum. In addition, I feel, as a member of one of the "cleanest" forums I belong to, I have a responsibility to report and comment on an issue when it goes directly against said rules and policies.

So if that makes me a "ToS Nazi", these shoulders are broad and can bear the burden.
 
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Re:Ampeg SVX and AmpliTube Fender up to 60% off! 2012/07/31 10:54:52 (permalink)
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I have a MOTU 896HD in very nice shape for sale. I'm asking $325 and buyer pays shipping and insurance. PM me. Pictures upon request. Works well with SONAR.


Apart from being a bloody killjoy - this is the software forum, so


Killjoy?  I'd have thought you'd be able to get irony...




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Re:Ampeg SVX and AmpliTube Fender up to 60% off! 2012/07/31 12:36:19 (permalink)
The loose definition of spam is mainly that it is advertising done in an annoying and repetitive way. Like spambots or something similar. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forum_spam

 If you include advertising in general then Obi falls into that category, but IMO this isn't the general use or meaning of spam per se. I'm not exactly sure how Cakewalk defines spam or if they would classify what Obi does as being high pressure advertising. Personally I think it is advertising but not spamming. I guess the call is up to Cakewalk to decide.

 The fact that Obi has been so honest in telling us that he works for IK is what has rankled a few here. I appreciate his honesty and I don't feel particularly "spammed".

 Ask yourself this- If you are a music dude looking at buying some software for your studio which of the following would you prefer?
A website with no human interaction or a weblink for you to click.
A phone number with a robot at the other end.
A company rep who shows up on your forum and in a very unassuming way tells everyone there is a deal or a new product out.He also tries to answer questions or point you to someone in the company who can help.

 Which of these do you prefer?

 Is Obi spamming the forum ?IMO no. Is he advertising? Yes. Is this a breach of the TOS according to Cakewalk? That's their call to make based on their own interpretation of what they consider to be advertising.

 The whole idea behind the anti-advertising statement in the TOS I'm guessing is to avoid those annoying company emails that completely disrupt  the subjects being discussed. In this case the subject is audio software and Obi works for one of the top audio software companies and he is  the know on new developements.

 The funny thing is that if Obi would have been less than honest and signed on as a regular here he could advertise all day long and no questions would be asked. His honesty here is working against him with a few people. Technically he could eliminate his original info and sign on as Obi just an average poster and be free from scrutiny.(well not really) because we know now.  How many other reps do you think come on the software thread and tell us about new products? 

 

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Re:Ampeg SVX and AmpliTube Fender up to 60% off! 2012/07/31 13:05:52 (permalink)
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The loose definition of spam is mainly that it is advertising done in an annoying and repetitive way. Like spambots or something similar. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forum_spam

 If you include advertising in general then Obi falls into that category, but IMO this isn't the general use or meaning of spam per se. I'm not exactly sure how Cakewalk defines spam or if they would classify what Obi does as being high pressure advertising. Personally I think it is advertising but not spamming. I guess the call is up to Cakewalk to decide.

 The fact that Obi has been so honest in telling us that he works for IK is what has rankled a few here. I appreciate his honesty and I don't feel particularly "spammed".

 Ask yourself this- If you are a music dude looking at buying some software for your studio which of the following would you prefer?
A website with no human interaction or a weblink for you to click.
A phone number with a robot at the other end.
A company rep who shows up on your forum and in a very unassuming way tells everyone there is a deal or a new product out.He also tries to answer questions or point you to someone in the company who can help.

 Which of these do you prefer?

 Is Obi spamming the forum ?IMO no. Is he advertising? Yes. Is this a breach of the TOS according to Cakewalk? That's their call to make based on their own interpretation of what they consider to be advertising.

 The whole idea behind the anti-advertising statement in the TOS I'm guessing is to avoid those annoying company emails that completely disrupt  the subjects being discussed. In this case the subject is audio software and Obi works for one of the top audio software companies and he is  the know on new developements.

 The funny thing is that if Obi would have been less than honest and signed on as a regular here he could advertise all day long and no questions would be asked. His honesty here is working against him with a few people. Technically he could eliminate his original info and sign on as Obi just an average poster and be free from scrutiny.(well not really) because we know now.  How many other reps do you think come on the software thread and tell us about new products? 

 
Well said.

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Re:Ampeg SVX and AmpliTube Fender up to 60% off! 2012/07/31 13:51:02 (permalink)
Please read the TOS.

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tos.aspx

There are 2 entries regarding "advertising" - one is entitled "SPAM" the other is entitled "ADVERTISING" 

both are against the TOS.

I cannot understand how anyone could interpret the OP of this thread to be anything other than "advertising" which does fall under the TOS as being "not allowed."

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Re:Ampeg SVX and AmpliTube Fender up to 60% off! 2012/07/31 14:24:30 (permalink)
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Please read the TOS.

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tos.aspx

There are 2 entries regarding "advertising" - one is entitled "SPAM" the other is entitled "ADVERTISING" 

both are against the TOS.

I cannot understand how anyone could interpret the OP of this thread to be anything other than "advertising" which does fall under the TOS as being "not allowed."

Have you ever gone over the speed limit?  It's clearly against the law and yet I'll bet you've done it.  In fact I'll bet you go the speed that the the majority of other drivers are going and that the police ignore even if it is over the limit.  Oh the horror!
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Re:Ampeg SVX and AmpliTube Fender up to 60% off! 2012/07/31 14:27:44 (permalink)
It is against the TOS - like many, many, many of us on these forums violate the TOS on an almost hourly basis. 

Personally, I wouldn't feel comfortable even bringing the TOS into the conversation.

Maybe what people have a problem w/ is that Obi is PAID to post here. That's the only difference between his posts and mine, Ol Pal's or Carl's or whoever when we post a heads up's. Obi's post may be a bit more elaborate, but essentially, they're the same. And lets face it - those heads up account for a majority of the posts made in the software forum. 

For ME, as long as the product can be interesting for Cakewalk users and only brings additional functionality to Sonar, I really don't mind whether it's Obi or Bapu who posts about it. Advertising competition, now that's a different thing. 

I mean, I do come here to be informed about such promos and all. It's not like he's filling my inbox w/ junk. Is it so bad that he is PAID for it? Don't we all need to earn a living?

The kind of posts I do consider as spam is those "how to convert this and that" which obviously have nothing to do here on a music software forum and which are just shot randomly everywhere and anywhere on the web by a guy w/ a post count of one whom we'll never see again. 

Unlike those guys, Obi follows up (and he's quite quick at getting back w/ an answer when you pm him).

I'm not gonna change anyone's mind about this, and every one's entitled to their opinion. 

But these are my 2 cents.





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Re:Ampeg SVX and AmpliTube Fender up to 60% off! 2012/07/31 17:55:05 (permalink)
Ampeg SVX is the best amp sim for BASS!!!!
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Re:Ampeg SVX and AmpliTube Fender up to 60% off! 2012/07/31 18:07:25 (permalink)
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Please read the TOS.

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tos.aspx

There are 2 entries regarding "advertising" - one is entitled "SPAM" the other is entitled "ADVERTISING" 

both are against the TOS.

I cannot understand how anyone could interpret the OP of this thread to be anything other than "advertising" which does fall under the TOS as being "not allowed."

Have you ever gone over the speed limit?  It's clearly against the law and yet I'll bet you've done it.  In fact I'll bet you go the speed that the the majority of other drivers are going and that the police ignore even if it is over the limit.  Oh the horror!

This is precisely why I stated above that I hate getting involved in these threads because it always turns nasty.  someone will always make it a personal vendetta toward another to get their point across.
 
vintagevibe, there's no need to be condescending.  I have not been that way to you and I expect the same level of respect from you and others. 
  
besides - your analogy only strengthens my point.  it says that Obi is "speeding" and so far he hasn't gotten caught by the police radar yet.   
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Re:Ampeg SVX and AmpliTube Fender up to 60% off! 2012/07/31 19:30:53 (permalink)
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Oh look here's another one already.

Somebody must have started a trend.

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2626932

Xenos does have products sold by Cakewalk on their site.  In fact, he has several Z3ta 2 banks for sale at the Cake store right now.   He's also done factory presets for Z3ta+ 2.

So, I suspect the moderators are not likely to clamp down on someone who helps generate some revenue for Cakewalk.  I'm not saying that's right or wrong, but I'm just pointing out that he fits a little bit different category.  


If I'm not mistaken, you'll also find Digital Sound Factory advertisements in the Cakewalk Instruments forum.  I suspect DSF is also in the same boat of those who get to advertise b/c they produce content sold by Cakewalk.  This is speculation on my part, but it might very well be true.  
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Re:Ampeg SVX and AmpliTube Fender up to 60% off! 2012/07/31 20:15:13 (permalink)

This is precisely why I stated above that I hate getting involved in these threads because it always turns nasty. someone will always make it a personal vendetta toward another to get their point across

 
what in particular did he say that was nasty? its just a analogy. and what vendetta? you are reading into this wrong, and making stuff up. and thats how things get ugly. you took his speeding analogy and blew it way out of context, with your own sinister twist.
 
 
Have you ever gone over the speed limit? It's clearly against the law and yet I'll bet you've done it. In fact I'll bet you go the speed that the the majority of other drivers are going and that the police ignore even if it is over the limit. Oh the horror!
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Re:Ampeg SVX and AmpliTube Fender up to 60% off! 2012/07/31 20:32:28 (permalink)
 Well I certainly do respect the positions of the folks that have a 0% tolerance for any advertising here as prescribed in the TOS, I've never been a letter of the law kind of guy. As long as the topics aren't filled with hyperbole like the three kings thread 

"Ampeg SVX and AmpliTube Fender up to 60% off!"  is just the facts and in my view relevant to the software forum. There is a bit of hyperbole in the first post, I'm thinking copy and paste?

For all I know that is how CW is keeping the lights on here and if they have resorted to outside advertising, at least its software related to music production and not those blasted video converter spammers.

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Re:Ampeg SVX and AmpliTube Fender up to 60% off! 2012/07/31 21:08:51 (permalink)
Jonbouy


chuckebaby


say if i made some really cool digital audio shirts,i started a thread saying,"hey guys check out these shirts for 20%off,youll love them.
what would you say to that?..be honest.


Who me?

I'd report it as spam, like I do regardless of whether it is iMedia convertors, running shoes or IK Multimedia doing the spamming.

so would i jonbouy.
 
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Re:Ampeg SVX and AmpliTube Fender up to 60% off! 2012/07/31 21:10:39 (permalink)
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This is precisely why I stated above that I hate getting involved in these threads because it always turns nasty. someone will always make it a personal vendetta toward another to get their point across

 
what in particular did he say that was nasty? its just a analogy. and what vendetta? you are reading into this wrong, and making stuff up. and thats how things get ugly. you took his speeding analogy and blew it way out of context, with your own sinister twist.
 
 
Have you ever gone over the speed limit? It's clearly against the law and yet I'll bet you've done it. In fact I'll bet you go the speed that the the majority of other drivers are going and that the police ignore even if it is over the limit. Oh the horror!

nevermind. you're not worth it.  I'm out of this thread.  it has become exactly what I expected.
post edited by Beagle - 2012/07/31 21:42:11

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Re:Ampeg SVX and AmpliTube Fender up to 60% off! 2012/08/01 01:02:24 (permalink)
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This is precisely why I stated above that I hate getting involved in these threads because it always turns nasty. someone will always make it a personal vendetta toward another to get their point across

 
what in particular did he say that was nasty? its just a analogy. and what vendetta? you are reading into this wrong, and making stuff up. and thats how things get ugly. you took his speeding analogy and blew it way out of context, with your own sinister twist.
 
 
Have you ever gone over the speed limit? It's clearly against the law and yet I'll bet you've done it. In fact I'll bet you go the speed that the the majority of other drivers are going and that the police ignore even if it is over the limit. Oh the horror!

it wasnt the speeding analogy that upset beagle,it was the  "Oh the horror!"
that in my opinion was a direct jab at beagle posting the TOS link.
which is why im not sure you didnt see it that way either ?
am i the only one thinking that was uncalled for ?
hmmm.wow.okay? 
 
 

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Re:Ampeg SVX and AmpliTube Fender up to 60% off! 2012/08/01 05:45:37 (permalink)
I'm looking good today

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Re:Ampeg SVX and AmpliTube Fender up to 60% off! 2012/08/01 06:13:19 (permalink)
I'm feeling better, better than yesterday anyway.

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