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Ample Sound releases Bass Riffer for Virtual Bass Instruments (v2.5 updates)

Ample Sound has released free version 2.5 updates for all six of its virtual bass instruments.
The updates include a new module, Riffer, a riff generator featuring MIDI edit of stringed instruments, multiple formats conversion, automatic riff creation, etc. The initial update includes 500 classic riffs.
String Roll – Original notation of stringed instrument
Riffer uses the notation invented by Ample Sound – String Roll. Traditional tab can only write quantized MIDI. It only records fingering without directly showing important information such as pitch, velocity and so on. While a Piano Roll can show MIDI in good detail, it cannot avoid using keyswitches and MIDI controller for fingering, articulation, expression of stringed instruments, resulting in messy notation.
String Roll preserves the composing details of MIDI while it can clearly show fingering, articulation, expression, and even noise in string performances. Every note has 8 attributes - pitch, velocity, length, off velocity, articulation, legato, vibrato and bend, with which the user can make a delicate lick.
As shown in the image, these 4 lines represent 4 bass strings. Text on the notes represents pitch, Color represents velocity, and length represents duration. Four independent attributes - articulation, legato, vibrato, bend - are shown as icons above. Additionally, any noise including fret buzz, finger slapping or any other special performing skills could be written on the FX-line, which is below the 4 bass strings.
Information shown on the notes can be switched to various parameters such as pitch, fret, pitch + fret, velocity, duration, off velocity.
The user can easily use the graphic curve above to create a bend. Pitch wheel messages generated can also be used for bend in other virtual instruments.
Swing, Velocity Humanization, Velocity Proportion and other real-time parameters can give controllable humanization for quantized MIDI notes.
Dice - Automatic Composing
Select the number of notes, key, chord or scale, style, range of velocity, click the dice and a main riff will be created. It is not simply a random algorithm, it summarizes the rules of scale and groove of different styles through analyzing a bunch of music scores.
Multiple Formats Conversion:
  • Writing and composing in the Riffer, users no longer need to worry about complex fingering, articulation and expression. They can directly drag the riff to a MIDI track of their DAW. Every fingering, articulation, and expression will be automatically converted to MIDI keyswitch and controller. Riffer humanizations can also be included in MIDI.
  • The user can also import their own MIDI files and tabs into Riffer without any loss (for tab to riff).
Other news in 2.5 Update:
  • Ample Metal Ray5 Bass adds some new samples. Users need to install the full installer to upgrade.
  • New Tab Player UI, added Tab to Riff feature.
  • User need to install Bass_Riffs_Installer for the presets.
Update Celebration Event
all six Ample Bass are 25% off from March 3rd to April 3rd for both individual and bundle purchase.
Demo Video


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Re: Ample Sound releases Bass Riffer for Virtual Bass Instruments (v2.5 updates) 2017/03/03 13:49:08 (permalink)
This looks intresting. I have been tempted by Ample Sound's products but have never purchased one. Riffer seems to add some intresting capabilities.
 
Presumably in order to get the full range of articulations you need to build the tracks in the instrument rather than the DAW, If these patterns are dragged to MIDI track in the DAW is playback the same as it would be from the "String Roll" system.
 
I wonder how it handles odd time signatures, I have been very frustrated by the song builder in the Music Lab real series not wanting to consider anything beyond 4/4 or 3/4, for this to be a really useful tool for me it would not only have to support a wide range of time signatures but have the ability to change time signatures in a song.
 
I guess I had better drom then an email.

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Re: Ample Sound releases Bass Riffer for Virtual Bass Instruments (v2.5 updates) 2017/03/03 14:35:47 (permalink)
Yes, that Riffer looks to be very interesting and their bass libraries are pretty good as well. That Youtube Demo video wasn't all that helpful though.....would've loved to see it in action.
 
I'd really like to read some actual users thoughts/reviews on this....

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Re: Ample Sound releases Bass Riffer for Virtual Bass Instruments (v2.5 updates) 2017/03/03 15:44:10 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2017/03/03 15:47:55
Excellent fast response from Ample Sound
 

·         If the data is dragged from the instrument into the host DAW is the full range of articulation control preserved or do I need to keep the whole song in the String Roll mode?
·         Is there a robust implementation for odd and varying time signatures, I get frustrated with one of your competitors guitar VSTis  as It only seems to support 3/4 & 4/4 and does not allow changes in time signature during a song?
 
Thanks for asking, about your questions
 
1. Yes, all of fingering positions, articulations, expressions and humanization can be converted to MIDI. there are 2 modes,
Strman: Exported MIDI will contain keyswitch\Strman information, Available for all DAWs.
Channel: Exported MIDI will contain channel information, this will also toggle on MIDI guitar mode on Setting panel. Make sure the input channel of MIDI track is set to Any, Not available for some DAWs such as Pro Tools, Ableton Live etc
 
2. 2/4, 3/4 4/4 5/4 6/4 6/8 7/4 8/4 and tri.


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Re: Ample Sound releases Bass Riffer for Virtual Bass Instruments (v2.5 updates) 2017/03/03 15:50:49 (permalink)
Ok Glyn, I know you're probably very busy downloading Ample Sound's products right now, but please do give us a review ASAP.


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Re: Ample Sound releases Bass Riffer for Virtual Bass Instruments (v2.5 updates) 2017/03/03 16:12:44 (permalink)
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Ok Glyn, I know you're probably very busy downloading Ample Sound's products right now, but please do give us a review ASAP.



Not bought it yet - but here is the manual http://www.amplesound.net/en/Ample_Bass_Manual.pdf Section 5 discribes Riffer. At first glance it looks very well thought out, but I need to read it in detail. Then which bass????? I am leaning towards the 5 String at the moment.

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Re: Ample Sound releases Bass Riffer for Virtual Bass Instruments (v2.5 updates) 2017/03/03 16:37:52 (permalink)
Looks the bass player is going the way of the dodo bird.
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Re: Ample Sound releases Bass Riffer for Virtual Bass Instruments (v2.5 updates) 2017/03/03 16:42:41 (permalink)
I wonder if this works with their free bass VST?
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Re: Ample Sound releases Bass Riffer for Virtual Bass Instruments (v2.5 updates) 2017/03/03 23:04:30 (permalink)
Very Cool and Useful update. The wide range of time signatures with added articulations will make this an invaluable creative writing tool.  Probably their best update so far.  Can't wait for the Guitars version....   :)

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Re: Ample Sound releases Bass Riffer for Virtual Bass Instruments (v2.5 updates) 2017/03/03 23:27:02 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2017/03/04 02:15:38
bapu
I wonder if this works with their free bass VST?




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Re: Ample Sound releases Bass Riffer for Virtual Bass Instruments (v2.5 updates) 2017/03/04 02:16:21 (permalink)
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Can't wait for the Guitars version....   :)


See? That's where I might jump in.
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Re: Ample Sound releases Bass Riffer for Virtual Bass Instruments (v2.5 updates) 2017/03/04 17:56:15 (permalink)
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Can't wait for the Guitars version....   :)


See? That's where I might jump in.




Jump on in my friend! There's plenty of room for all of us.
 
I spent some time last evening with the standalone and about an hour this morning in Platinum using the Vst It appears to play nice in both modes. Now, I feel forced to do some user manual reading (the easy part) and comprehension (the hard part)...   Keeping an eye out for more videos.

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Re: Ample Sound releases Bass Riffer for Virtual Bass Instruments (v2.5 updates) 2017/03/04 17:56:17 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby rtucker55 2017/03/04 18:01:38
I bought the AMR (Sting Ray 5 string). Here are some first impressions.
  • Download, instalation and activation was straightforward. Simple challenge and response activation, but it may be an issue if your DAW never connects to the net.
  • It sounds very good and fills a gap not covered by my NI and OTS basses. The built in effects are quite good but I would probably use it with Amplitube or GR5. I tried it with the Amplitube and the standout was the Fender 2 '53 bassman, it sounded fantastic.
  •  There are a pile of riffs provided and its easy to load them, change key of the whole sequence and edit individual notes in the Riffer window. A wide range of styles is included.
  • Dragging MIDI to Sonar seems to work OK, on the couple of riffs I tried you get the notes, the relevant keyswitches and bend and modulation data. I looks like with a bit of keyswitch reassignment the MIDI may work with other VSTis (One would probably have to export in STR mode).
  • The channel mode is like MIDI guitar mode where each string has a different channel and this works fine in Sonar (tough luck Pro Tools users PT does not support this, nor does Ableton), but there is also the more basic STR mode which apparently works in all DAWs.
  • Building your own riffs in the Riffer window looks reasonably straight forward, but you will need to think like a bassist with the string assignment if you want to make your Riff as real sounding as possible. - < This will be the hard part.
  • So far I have not come across a song mode to string patterns together but I would be more likley to assemble the track in the DAW in anycase.
  • Time signatures are supported up to 8 steps in a bar, so none of the stupidly odd time signatures I am wont to use ocassionly, but most options common are covered.
  • I noticed after purchasing other products has a further discount, the price of other basses for example dropped from $89 to $80, I wonder if there are further discounts as you add more products?
I think its a keeper,  it seems reasonably straightforward so I think the learning curve should be gentle.
 

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Re: Ample Sound releases Bass Riffer for Virtual Bass Instruments (v2.5 updates) 2017/03/04 21:18:03 (permalink)
Thanks for posting about this. Looks pretty cool and unique. Also if you bundle them you get a bigger discount. 4 bass instruments came to 240.

I wonder how easy it would be to drag the midi to control other bass VSTis that use different keyswitches.
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Re: Ample Sound releases Bass Riffer for Virtual Bass Instruments (v2.5 updates) 2017/03/06 14:18:31 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2017/03/06 14:20:40
Thanks Glyn for the detailed review.....very helpful indeed. Looks like I picked the wrong month to give up Bass Vst's!!  

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Re: Ample Sound releases Bass Riffer for Virtual Bass Instruments (v2.5 updates) 2017/03/06 14:22:02 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2017/03/06 14:35:01
I picked up the Acoustic Upright Bass and the YinYang Bass - both are very nice.   The upright is exceptionally nice for jazz tunes - I matched it with AD's jazz drum kits and am very happy with what I am getting.  Now I am thinking of splurging on Impact Soundworks new Straight Ahead Jazz Horns...
 
BTW, the Riffer module is even more detailed than Ample Sound indicates - there are LOTS of scale choices for you to to choose from.  Not sure if the DICE (random) feature is that useful - I couldn't really come up with anything too exciting using it, but it was easy to write my own lines with their new notation method and quite easy to add slaps, bends, etc.
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Re: Ample Sound releases Bass Riffer for Virtual Bass Instruments (v2.5 updates) 2017/03/06 14:41:22 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Soundwise 2017/04/05 10:50:14
Although it's called a drum map, it could be used to translate Amples keyswitches to (say) OTS keyswitches. Simples.
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Re: Ample Sound releases Bass Riffer for Virtual Bass Instruments (v2.5 updates) 2017/03/11 15:59:04 (permalink)
I have to say that the Riff Generator is quite nice...
certainly a welcome addition to the Bass Instruments...


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Re: Ample Sound releases Bass Riffer for Virtual Bass Instruments (v2.5 updates) 2017/03/13 18:12:38 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby rtucker55 2017/03/13 20:41:44
Here's a review of the Ample Sound Yinyang Bass.  I've got their free P-Bass, so I've checked out their other basses, and this one definitely looks interesting
 
Ample Sound Yinyang Bass II - Demo & Review


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Re: Ample Sound releases Bass Riffer for Virtual Bass Instruments (v2.5 updates) 2017/03/13 20:41:31 (permalink)
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Here's a review of the Ample Sound Yinyang Bass.  I've got their free P-Bass, so I've checked out their other basses, and this one definitely looks interesting
 
Ample Sound Yinyang Bass II - Demo & Review





Great review! That just cost me some money...  The tapping is a Very nice feature.
 
I also ended up getting the J-bass pick extension lib and it is like getting a whole new instrument for around $62.
 
Thanks again abacab.
 
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Re: Ample Sound releases Bass Riffer for Virtual Bass Instruments (v2.5 updates) 2017/03/13 21:03:52 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby rtucker55 2017/03/13 21:05:15
I have the Yin Yang and it's DA BOMB!!!


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Re: Ample Sound releases Bass Riffer for Virtual Bass Instruments (v2.5 updates) 2017/03/13 21:22:39 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby rtucker55 2017/03/13 21:29:32
I'm getting G.A.S. now

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Re: Ample Sound releases Bass Riffer for Virtual Bass Instruments (v2.5 updates) 2017/03/13 22:43:28 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby rtucker55 2017/03/13 23:08:41
Get it while it's on sale...don't even think about it...just do it...LOL


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Re: Ample Sound releases Bass Riffer for Virtual Bass Instruments (v2.5 updates) 2017/03/13 23:10:06 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2017/03/13 23:13:50
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Get it while it's on sale...don't even think about it...just do it...LOL




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Re: Ample Sound releases Bass Riffer for Virtual Bass Instruments (v2.5 updates) 2017/03/13 23:20:36 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2017/03/14 01:59:05
If, and that's a big IF, I get it it will be on the 20th because of (ahem) cash flow.
 
But I would only have my eye on the 5 string. That Ying/Yang thingy was too mellow for me as new add on lib and of course I already gotz all the OTS bass libs, 2-3 P-Bass libs and NI Rick Lib.
 
With the MM 5 string I have a lib I don't have and then I could always do a keyswitch map from ASRiffer to NI and OTS. Shouldn't take too long.
 
I'm already talking myself into it.
 
Yes, I do have an arsenal of basses (including my Rick 4003S due to arrive Wed) but I need to prepare myself for those days that I'm just not into actually playing the bass to get a composition up and running (like I use BIAB).
 
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Re: Ample Sound releases Bass Riffer for Virtual Bass Instruments (v2.5 updates) 2017/03/13 23:25:01 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2017/03/14 01:59:14
Sounds like you're golden on basses. Now, on the 20th get it. You know you will be sorry if you don't... 

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Re: Ample Sound releases Bass Riffer for Virtual Bass Instruments (v2.5 updates) 2017/03/14 00:09:35 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby rtucker55 2017/03/14 00:15:02
Bapu already surrendered.
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The mind as well.

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Re: Ample Sound releases Bass Riffer for Virtual Bass Instruments (v2.5 updates) 2017/03/14 00:46:02 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby rtucker55 2017/03/14 00:59:56
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Re: Ample Sound releases Bass Riffer for Virtual Bass Instruments (v2.5 updates) 2017/03/14 02:42:12 (permalink)
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Sounds like you're golden on basses. Now, on the 20th get it. You know you will be sorry if you don't... 


In addition to the real juans?
 
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Kala Uke Bass
Custom 5-String 
Line 6 Modeling Bass
Rickenbacker 4003S (due to arrive on Wednesday)
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Re: Ample Sound releases Bass Riffer for Virtual Bass Instruments (v2.5 updates) 2017/03/14 03:31:31 (permalink)
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Sounds like you're golden on basses. Now, on the 20th get it. You know you will be sorry if you don't... 


In addition to the real juans?
 
Alembic Series I
Fender P-Bass
Kala Uke Bass
Custom 5-String 
Line 6 Modeling Bass
Rickenbacker 4003S (due to arrive on Wednesday)




Oh my, So that would be Golden and Platinum!...  Damn man, you need a separate room just to store all those.
 
You mentioned something about setting up a drum map to translate Amples keyswitches to (say) OTS keyswitches or others. I have never created a drum map so any direction on how to get started on something like that? That would come in very handy to be able to use that riffer to control other developers instruments.

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