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Re: Arranger tracks ala Cubase 2015/05/26 04:07:36 (permalink)
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Yes, a bit unfortunate - it won't get many more votes as described in OP - it got 5 in 8 months.
Hopefully people read down a bit....or it's enough already for Cake to consider at some time...
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Re: Arranger tracks ala Cubase 2015/07/14 21:50:34 (permalink)
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+1 for arranger track like StudioOne
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Re: Arranger tracks ala Cubase 2015/07/15 03:28:16 (permalink)
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I would like to see this feature integrated with the proposed idea of a customisable timeline ruler, as described here:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3098058
 
The different sections of the song would be defined by the user as coloured blocks along the timeline and their sequence could be rearrangeable in an Arrangement Window.

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Re: Arranger tracks ala Cubase 2015/07/15 08:34:34 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bronsoncox 2015/07/15 10:45:04
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Its been on our radar for about 10 years :) In fact we started some prototype work on this as far back as 2006.
We all know it would be a useful feature to have but we have had other priorities and it would have taken quite a large investment since it does require some retooling of the engine for seamless playback of disjoint regions. Not to say that we won't do it but its not yet in the pipeline. Doing the basics for non linear arrangement are not that difficult but getting streaming to work flawlessly is a different matter. The matrix playback engine essentially does non linear playback but there are some caveats that would have to be designed for.
 
Actually there is a question about primary usage that would be interesting to know. Are users expecting this to be a tool for arrangement primarily or a live playback tool. If seamless realtime playback of sections is secondary then this could be a simpler project. i.e. if you can layout the song, preview it and then and render it as a wave file would that meet the main requirements?
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Re: Arranger tracks ala Cubase 2015/07/15 10:19:10 (permalink)
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Are users expecting this to be a tool for arrangement primarily or a live playback tool.
 
Just an arranging tool would be wonderful IMHO!

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Re: Arranger tracks ala Cubase 2015/07/15 10:41:12 (permalink)
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Actually there is a question about primary usage that would be interesting to know. Are users expecting this to be a tool for arrangement primarily or a live playback tool. If seamless realtime playback of sections is secondary then this could be a simpler project. i.e. if you can layout the song, preview it and then and render it as a wave file would that meet the main requirements?




For me, it would be arrangement. I don't use Sonar as a live performance medium (unless it would be for playing out a sequence of backing tracks/play list) and haven't even ventured in to Matrix land.
 
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Re: Arranger tracks ala Cubase 2015/07/15 11:40:51 (permalink)
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An arrangement tool.
On the question of seamless playback what is that so difficult to achieve?
Many people now have an existing example as per Studio One 3 which not only has the arranger track but the scratchpad window where you can drag various sections to the right of the existing project and still rearrange sections there. All these sections still have seamless playback.its as if each scratchpad is a window into a new project that retains all of the existing project settings and sections can be dragged back and forth at will

For me Mix recall is a more useful feature than the arranger track as there are workarounds for the arranger that we can use in Sonar now but no work around for a Mix recal.

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Re: Arranger tracks ala Cubase 2015/07/15 12:00:26 (permalink)
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This is already a feature of Logic Pro X also. Very handy, a must have QOL thing imho.

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Re: Arranger tracks ala Cubase 2015/07/15 13:34:13 (permalink)
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Are users expecting this to be a tool for arrangement primarily or a live playback tool.
 
Just an arranging tool would be wonderful IMHO!


Yup. I don't play live {tongueincheek} and SONAR is not a juke box for me. {/tongueincheek}
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Re: Arranger tracks ala Cubase 2015/07/15 13:45:10 (permalink)
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An arrangement tool.
On the question of seamless playback what is that so difficult to achieve?



Seamless playback when jumping around a timeline is a complex task in any DAW. Today if you have a complex project and seek around the timeline playback will start from the new location but there could be a brief loss of time while the transport relocates and prebuffers etc. In a simple project its fast but if you have lots of tracks and fx it could be a second or so before its synced.
Thats what I meant by seamless vs sequenced sections.

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Re: Arranger tracks ala Cubase 2015/07/15 14:37:59 (permalink)
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Put me down for arrangement purposes only as well. 

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Re: Arranger tracks ala Cubase 2015/07/15 18:02:08 (permalink)
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Arrangement here, too.
 
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Re: Arranger tracks ala Cubase 2015/07/15 18:51:40 (permalink)
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Arrangement here, too.
 
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Re: Arranger tracks ala Cubase 2015/07/15 21:39:15 (permalink)
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The way I envisage it working is as follows:
  1. User moves objects around in the Arrangement Window.
  2. User hits the "Test Playback" button and listens (If the playback quality at this stage is not optimum, then that's ok).
  3. When the user is happy with the new arrangement, he/she presses the "Accept" button. The project then re-arranges itself according to the new order in the Arrangement Window. Clips, markers, tempo changes, etc. are all moved to new positions along the timeline. Some splitting of clips is likely to occur.

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Re: Arranger tracks ala Cubase 2015/07/16 00:07:29 (permalink)
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Are users expecting this to be a tool for arrangement primarily or a live playback tool.
 
Just an arranging tool would be wonderful IMHO!


Fully agree, I don't need arrangement in live mode either, all I would like is a quick way to change a song structure. Even the visuals of an arrangement track would help alot.
 
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Re: Arranger tracks ala Cubase 2015/07/16 02:40:10 (permalink)
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Arrangement. The idea is that after you layout all your sections you'd have to go in and fine-tune things anyway. So it's really a way to quickly and easily get tons of clips distributed on the timeline.

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Re: Arranger tracks ala Cubase 2015/07/16 02:42:43 (permalink)
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Are users expecting this to be a tool for arrangement primarily or a live playback tool. If seamless realtime playback of sections is secondary then this could be a simpler project. i.e. if you can layout the song, preview it and then and render it as a wave file would that meet the main requirements?




Another vote for "tool for arrangement". I don't know why you talk about render to wave though. You want all tracks to remain as is in terms of MIDI/audio/instruments content, but the time line would be reordered after moving some sort of representations of song section blocks around.
 
 
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Re: Arranger tracks ala Cubase 2015/07/16 03:15:46 (permalink)
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Another vote here for just an arrangement tool.
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Re: Arranger tracks ala Cubase 2015/07/16 04:48:47 (permalink)
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Yet another vote for the arranger tool. Stopping the transport to work/arrange is actually very trivial in my mind compared to the incredible asset this would be to workflows.
 
Real-time would be icing on the cake (for when it comes), but I do not see this as big of a win as being able to chop & swap sections willy nilly (with the transport stopped). As mentioned above, the real-time portion can be accommodated to some extent with the Matrix View now.

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Re: Arranger tracks ala Cubase 2015/07/19 21:20:09 (permalink)
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When I first used Sonar after switching from an ADAT and mixer I was astonished that there was no way to run sections of the song in an order dictated by a list or yes, an arrange window.
 
This seems so computer - esq like it should be job one for any daw after they tackle recording and playback.
 
I had forgotten all about this and have been doing the dreaded dangerous cut and paste of whole chunks of multitrack.
 
Now I'm astonished again. :-)
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Re: Arranger tracks ala Cubase 2015/07/19 21:28:17 (permalink)
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Noel, couldn't Sonar see the next section coming up and pre buffer the first necessary bit of data from each track using maybe another worker pump? I would leave reverb tails to the user to deal with at first.
 
I'll bet it's been tried there and least a little. ;-)
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Re: Arranger tracks ala Cubase 2015/07/22 06:39:49 (permalink)
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+1 on an arrangement tool / window.

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Re: Arranger tracks ala Cubase 2015/07/22 09:00:00 (permalink)
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I'm all for the arrangement aspect. My earlier question about gap free audio was for understanding of process not to question whether one way was better or not.

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Quick Arrange feature 2015/07/23 11:59:38 (permalink)
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Hi. I would love to see an "Arrange" track like in GarageBand, or something like that function in the new Presonus DAW where you can highlight a bunch of tracks and non-destructively move sections around to change the arrangement. I re-arrange songs a lot and the current process in Sonar is cumbersome, to me, at least.
 
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Re: Quick Arrange feature 2015/07/27 09:05:01 (permalink)
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+1 to what Kev999 said.

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New Feature Suggestion: "Sections" 2015/08/10 16:41:31 (permalink)
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Below is the address to a web page showing a great feature that Acid Pro 7 has that all DAWs should have. Maybe it can be added to the next Sonar release:
 
acidpro.helpmax.net/en/using-acid/editing-events-on-the-timeline/using-sections/
 
You may need to add http:// at the beginning of that website address.
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Re: New Feature Suggestion: "Sections" 2015/08/10 17:24:48 (permalink)
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There have been a few requests for an "arranger view". This FR has come up in those discussions IIRC.
Thanks - great idea though.

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Re: New Feature Suggestion: "Sections" 2015/08/10 18:14:27 (permalink)
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Please add your vote & comments here -->  http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3114901

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Re: Arranger tracks 2015/08/10 19:06:56 (permalink)
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merged into this thread as this is the arranger track request Noel has commented in.
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Re: Arranger tracks 2015/08/22 14:46:46 (permalink)
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This would be the most significant improvement I can possibly imagine for Sonar... I am a songwriter... and get very frustrated with not being able to define parts, sections, or parts of sections and not move them around or duplicate them quickly and reliably in the creative process... Immeasurably screws with the creative/possibilities juices; this is separate from all the pros wanting to quickly show customers possible re-arrangements; BOTH are huge...
 
I don't care how difficult it is... I'd give up the next 3 to 6 months of "new" things for this...everything else pales in comparison... 
 
UI: define and name parts in the time line; rt. click to select "all, or specific tracks" from a drop down list, with pick up and tails boxes for each track, have a traditional copy, past, delete function for the selections, find new point in the song (beginning, within, or at end) and press paste, press "draft", then... if loved, press render... to do the hard stuff...
 
tracks to include could also be selected by scrolling and highlighting.  Once moved or duplicated/inserted, auto rename like original with a "dup" addition, which can be renamed by us.
 
Seems to me that this might become a part of the mix module "scene" capture system???  
 
lots of people seem to be incorporating this into DAWs now and I truly hope the genius's baking our DAW can come up with at least an initial remix/arrange system soon...and refine it as they are so many things, based on feedback.
 
Thanks, Noel... pleeeeeeese.... arranging is so much needed... think about the live stuff later... 
 
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