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Re: I thought the Nomad plugins were untethered?
2013/11/12 09:44:12
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☄ Helpfulby Mystic38 2013/11/15 07:56:28
I made a pledge to myself that any project that I have that dates back to the last 32-bit version of Sonar I used is probably best left unopened at this point. If I have not finished it in 5 years, it's not gonna happen.
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Re: I thought the Nomad plugins were untethered?
2013/11/12 12:49:32
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dubdisciple
I made a pledge to myself that any project that I have that dates back to the last 32-bit version of Sonar I used is probably best left unopened at this point. If I have not finished it in 5 years, it's not gonna happen.
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Re: I thought the Nomad plugins were untethered?
2013/11/12 13:24:34
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Mod Bod
Exactly. Me, I had no idea what the Nomad plugins cost. Heck, EZdrummer cost me $150.00 when I bought it when it first came out. Now you can find it for $30 - 50 bucks at times. I figured Cakewalk got a heck of a discount. And yes, I'd love to use them in Studio One as well. Or at least be able to use it in X2.
Nomad Stuff has the occassional sale with great discounts. A while back, they had what has to be the deal of the century, in which you could buy the entire Nomad catalog for $100 (you had to previously have purchased one Nomad product to qualify). That one may never come around again, but there are some good bundle prices to be had for one who is patient. Get on the Don't Crack mailing list if you want to make sure you get notified of them.
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Re: I thought the Nomad plugins were untethered?
2013/11/12 23:52:33
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Anderton=I've also noticed that several Cakewalk plug-ins work in other programs.
would that be things like rxp and dropzone which both royally muck up the window size when called in to cubase for example? yes they may not be host specific.. but sod all use if the GUI window isn't show.. and is just a thin line.. It annoys me that *NATIVE* plugins (not 3rd party ones) that I pay for are locked or don't work as should.. and that goes across the board regardless of DAW maker... don't tout it as a full version if it's crippled in *ANY* way (that includes host checking).. put it as Nomad - sonar version etc.. much like when certain folks at various DAW companies do videos / marketing and conveniently forget to mention that a product is either SE and LE.. or mention it very fast or at a low volume that the full one isn't included in the "wonder bundle of xy and z" I hate how some of cakes browsers are none standard .. e.g. for use with kore2 made them impossible to use.
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Re: I thought the Nomad plugins were untethered?
2013/11/13 01:39:07
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Have you ever thought that it may be part of the reason that Cakewalk can give it to us for no cost.
Perhaps it has to be restricted to Sonar by the programs owner as a licensing condition. You get to run the full version within Sona,r but if you like it that much that you want to use it in all your daws, buy it or approach the maker about some consideration if you buy it. Just thinking out aloud
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Re: I thought the Nomad plugins were untethered?
2013/11/13 10:57:35
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I think crippled is too strong of a word and Sonar Edition is likelt to cause confusion since it gives the impression that the plugins are somehow different. When I seee sonar edition I think of a product that has reduced or different features and not merely an identical program locked to Sonar.
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Re: I thought the Nomad plugins were untethered?
2013/11/13 14:07:14
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Have you ever thought that it may be part of the reason that Cakewalk can give it to us for no cost.
nothing is free.. it's a factored % of the final cost, discounted due to bulk volume licensing deals that them and others do. much like cakewalk loops wise .. I get them elsewhere as part of other things and they aren't exclusive solely to them. AAS session stuff, I got "free" (not really) with a korg controller I bought. they aren't 100% identical source code (they have a host check) as the full shop bought version of the plugins.. so yep I do think it's fair to mention it for transparency. being economical with details (again a few DAW companies do that) I find is a bit naughty.. as you can't state it's the full version..as it's not 100% identical or unlocked, then I shouldn't have to 2nd guess them.
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Re: I thought the Nomad plugins were untethered?
2013/11/13 15:35:06
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Fog, if every company added lines to marketing material to downplay product it would look pretty silly. That's not being transparent. No diet product lists "our sweetener is a potential carcinogen" as a feature although the information is available in the tiny print if you look hard enough. In a Utopian society perhaps every product would list cons as loudly as pros but I just don't see that happening and can't fault a company for refusing to do so. I'm guessing it was Nomad's choice to lock it.They did not subtract anything from the product. Technically they added a line or two of code to lock to Sonar. Not sure what Nomad gets out of doing that although I can speculate with some companies. I heard that Izotope locks it's bundled software to host programs to prevent upgrade path without pain full price but who knows if that is true.
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Re: I thought the Nomad plugins were untethered?
2013/11/13 16:05:01
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You will all be humbly grateful and bow before Cakewalk and their colleagues eventually, in celebration that they forced you to see the light, the true light, and use only X3 for your Nomad plugins, and eventually for everything, and realize that there is no other way and your music shall shine like diamonds and you will ascend into rainbow light bodies and travel the many dimensions with SONAR X3 in hand! Muahahahahahahaaaa!!!
post edited by Lanceindastudio - 2013/11/13 16:13:35
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Re: I thought the Nomad plugins were untethered?
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Re: I thought the Nomad plugins were untethered?
2013/11/13 18:48:39
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Lanceindastudio
You will all be humbly grateful and bow before Cakewalk and their colleagues eventually, in celebration that they forced you to see the light, the true light, and use only X3 for your Nomad plugins, and eventually for everything, and realize that there is no other way and your music shall shine like diamonds and you will ascend into rainbow light bodies and travel the many dimensions with SONAR X3 in hand!
Muahahahahahahaaaa!!!
Huh... And I thought that multi-dimensionality was coming with X4. Shows you what I know.
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Re: I thought the Nomad plugins were untethered?
2013/11/14 10:58:15
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Hi-
Just so there is zero confusion, the Nomad Factory Blue Tubes FX are locked to SONAR X3 Studio and Producer. This was the arrangement with Nomad but not to diminish that when you use SONAR X3 (which we are selling), you get the FULL version. The deal with Addictive Drums was different which is really a bonus for those using multiple DAWs.
no problem with that - that's part of marketing new plugs ... BUT, what I did not understand was when I opened X2a to finish a project, I tried to employ the tape emu which also shows in the X2 pro channel, yet that is locked to X3 as well ... I wish it would just be locked to the Sonar X series - bummer Made me go looking for a serious tape plug to be used outside X3 and ended up with J37; doubt i'll ever need the sonar tape sim again.
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Re: I thought the Nomad plugins were untethered?
2013/11/14 13:46:43
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Maybe it's just me, but if someone wanted to use another product in addition to mine, I would rather have them using my product within that other product instead of getting accustomed to alternatives. It's not like someone like me is going to say "since I can't use the blue tube plugins, I simply won't use my video editor at all". For detailed critical sound work, I am going to export all my audio and work in Sonar anyway. For quick edits where I just need to add a compressor or a little eq, I am going to use the effects on my video editing program or third party ones that work. Once again, I'm not upset by this. I always see third party plugins as bonus and not the primary reason I use Sonar. I just wished they would take another look at such policies since to me it would benefit the plugin maker more to be open. Being locked in makes one less likely to upgrade the product because you are less likely to develop workflow dependency. Just my two cents.
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Re: I thought the Nomad plugins were untethered?
2013/11/14 14:09:11
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if they will be locked in, I'd prefer they were pro channelled up
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Re: I thought the Nomad plugins were untethered?
2013/11/14 14:29:22
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not a bad idea considering they already have a vintage look
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Re: I thought the Nomad plugins were untethered?
2013/11/14 14:38:44
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That would be pretty cool, especially for plugin types that aren't yet represented in PC form. Though I'd imagine it would fall completely on Nomad Factory to do the work... perhaps with a little incentive from CW. 
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Re: I thought the Nomad plugins were untethered?
2013/11/14 15:42:56
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stevec
perhaps with a little incentive from CW.
Well I think the incentive is US! The CW customer base! Profit potential. It has got to be a boon for a plug in company to get a deal with Sonar. You get to have so many new users see and USE your product. Even if just a portion of the users buy anything from them is good news!
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Re: I thought the Nomad plugins were untethered?
2013/11/14 16:11:56
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For me, and this is just the motivation for me making a purchase of an upgrade.
I upgrade SONAR precisely for the plugins. That is, there might not be enough feature additions (or better yet), feature updates that interests me and the plugins are the tipping point in my purchase. I'll be honest with everyone, there hasn't be a lot to get me excited about SONAR since the X series roll out. And I really want to be excited about the product like I once was.
I do the upgrade path hoping that as long as the lights are on at Cakewalk, maybe someday the little things that I would like to see happen will appear. Maybe I am using another product until that day but if I can get some plugins that will work in my other hosts, the purchase of the SONAR upgrade is still a positive in my mind.
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Re: I thought the Nomad plugins were untethered?
2013/11/14 16:20:11
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Please list all the DAWs that come with plugins that work in other hosts?
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Re: I thought the Nomad plugins were untethered?
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Re: I thought the Nomad plugins were untethered?
2013/11/14 17:04:28
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John
Please list all the DAWs that come with plugins that work in other hosts?
I'll play: studio one and reaper do, live doesn't, tracktion's not installed right now
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Re: I thought the Nomad plugins were untethered?
2013/11/14 17:11:14
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lawp
John
Please list all the DAWs that come with plugins that work in other hosts?
I'll play: studio one and reaper do, live doesn't, tracktion's not installed right now
To be fair, nether of those are plugins that would likely have much viability selling on their own. In my post, I was referring to third part software and not plugs native to the DAW
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Re: I thought the Nomad plugins were untethered?
2013/11/14 18:33:48
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frankly I don't get the hype about the Blue Tubes effects. They have a decidedly "free" look about them, like they would have lit up the internet 5 years ago. I think it's kind of ridiculous to have half a dozen different EQs which are just rehashings of the same processing, and the other effects too are mostly rendered redundant by Analog Trackbox (which was available for 20 bucks some years ago). The fact that they will likely be unavailable in Sonar X5 or 6 (in the way that several effects have gone missing in X3) is just another blight upon them. I think the current batch of (actually free) Variety of Sound plugins blows them out of the water. I can't imagine anyone comparing Thrillseeker VLA or Ferric TDS to these Nomad Factory products, who would decide that the Blue Tubes are superior. I think Addictive Drums is pretty awesome, and it's available in other hosts. ps, the Reaper VST plugin bundle is actually pretty useful, the EQ can do an all-pass filter (allows you to play with phase) and has a decent notch filter.
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Re: I thought the Nomad plugins were untethered?
2013/11/14 23:02:49
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brian brock
I think the current batch of (actually free) Variety of Sound plugins blows them out of the water. I can't imagine anyone comparing Thrillseeker VLA or Ferric TDS to these Nomad Factory products, who would decide that the Blue Tubes are superior.
These look interesting (they certainly look nice) but as far as I can tell they're 32-bit. Don't know how much that matters.
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Re: I thought the Nomad plugins were untethered?
2013/11/15 00:37:20
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lawp
John
Please list all the DAWs that come with plugins that work in other hosts?
I'll play: studio one
Are you sure?? Which of their effects and instruments work in Sonar and how can you make them work? If I'm not mistaken they are neither VST(i) or DX(i).
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Re: I thought the Nomad plugins were untethered?
2013/11/15 03:02:51
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studio had ni komplete elements and some drum software iirc, both vsti, melodyne of course...
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Re: I thought the Nomad plugins were untethered?
2013/11/15 03:04:12
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i agree that variety of sound have top quality plugs, but they're 32 bit only; and you're right about blue tubes lighting up the internet 5 years ago ;-)
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Re: I thought the Nomad plugins were untethered?
2013/11/15 06:50:53
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studio had ni komplete elements and some drum software iirc, both vsti, melodyne of course...
Ok, but Komplete Element is a highly stripped down version of Komplete (and the included Abbey Road 60s Drums is also stripped down) so it's not really comparable with the full version Addictive Drums or Dim Pro/Rapture, etc. that come with Sonar Producer. Even Studio Instruments work in other hosts, while none of PreSonus-developed plugs work outside S1. I find Cakewalk much more generous.
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Re: I thought the Nomad plugins were untethered?
2013/11/15 07:21:24
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that wasn't the question ;-)
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Re: I thought the Nomad plugins were untethered?
2013/11/15 07:28:02
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lawp
that wasn't the question ;-)
Right. You have answered the question correctly. :-)
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