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2012/11/03 19:36:52 (permalink)

Anybody believe in this??

I came across these cables in a regular hardware store just yesterday and was shocked by how much you can spend on just an USB cable.
 
Low-jitter, low distortion USB cables? You can spend more on one 3m cable than you pay for a really nice 10in/8out audio interface ...
 
So does anybody really believe in this?
 
http://www.audioquest.com/resource_tools/downloads/npa/AQ_USB-Series-v4-Final.pdf

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    Re:Anybody believe in this?? 2012/11/03 19:50:14 (permalink)
    If you got all of their customers together and had them all join hands......you would truly have a "Chain of Fools"!.......just my opinion!

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    Re:Anybody believe in this?? 2012/11/03 20:00:28 (permalink)
    Yeah, all that is baloney.
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    Re:Anybody believe in this?? 2012/11/03 20:01:51 (permalink)
    USB signal "quality" is only minimally related to price. Once you get one that is made to the basic standard, everything else is pretty much hype. I never paid more than $0.60 a foot for one.

    But if you want to believe the audiophiliacs you can never pay too much. Scroll down on this order form and I am sure you can find something to impress your friends.

    http://www.aqvox.de/bestellung.html

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    Re:Anybody believe in this?? 2012/11/03 20:03:37 (permalink)
    You have a link to a price?   

    The difference might not be, "audible to the ear," but the difference exists.

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    Re:Anybody believe in this?? 2012/11/03 20:23:01 (permalink)
    Glad to hear that it's not just me who doesn't really believe this  ...

    I thought I'd rather stay away from those low-jitter, low-distortion cable for the sake of low jitter in my wallet and less distortion with the missus

    I actually run part of my USB lines via 2x 8m extenders and was surprised how nice that works (given that you first eliminated the other sound deteriorating influences like ground loops)

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    Re:Anybody believe in this?? 2012/11/03 20:47:13 (permalink)
    The reason 'Boutique' USB cables are bogus is that the USB data signal is balanced - just like audio cables - it's immune to common mode noise.
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    Re:Anybody believe in this?? 2012/11/03 20:59:01 (permalink)
    I believe in this!

    http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/VARIOUS-PRINTER-SCANNER-USB-CABLE-S-/271046383859?pt=AU_CablesConnectors&hash=item3f1b9f98f3&_uhb=1#ht_3654wt_1530

    Well the price on the 'high end' on is probably kinda justifiable if all the components are made out of pure silver, but as for an audio quality difference?!? Ha! It's all digital! Sometimes I wonder if the publication date on these things was 1st of April...


    Ooo yeah! Give me some solid silver power cables!!!

    http://www.audioquest.com/power-cables/wel-signature

    This website is hilarious! I love all the technical talk they spill out to try and make it sound good!



    Ok now this one REALLY makes me laugh. iPhone USB cables?!?! Reducing distortion?!?!?!?!?!?! It charges the phone and transfers files! There is no distortion to reduce! It's DIGITAL! If it screws up, you just do it again. And it NEVER screws up cause of distortion in a cable! Sheesh...

    http://www.audioquest.com/resource_tools/downloads/npa/AQ_iPod-USB_NPA.pdf
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    Re:Anybody believe in this?? 2012/11/03 21:15:41 (permalink)
    I bought for my fireface 400 a Monster cable Fw400 gold plated ...and it's just rock solid and trouble free ....usless on desktop , priceless on laptop (specially aluminum based) with ground issues ....

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    Re:Anybody believe in this?? 2012/11/03 21:47:32 (permalink)
    nice work on "believe that!" zo. good stuff.

     
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    Re:Anybody believe in this?? 2012/11/03 21:52:04 (permalink)
    If my $1 USB cables are so inferior then how come they transfer files from my external hard drive to my internal one without so much as a single bit out of place? 
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    Re:Anybody believe in this?? 2012/11/03 23:24:15 (permalink)
    Snake oil!

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    Re:Anybody believe in this?? 2012/11/04 00:38:05 (permalink)
    You guys...! These cable are definitely Must Haves!
     
    How many of your rinkydink $5 cables come in 5 fruity flavors like these babies?
     
     
    Kinda like all that gold plating on your audio connectors hipe. Sure they're better, but unless the wires between them are gold too...
     
    $1450??? now that's "Indulgence"!
     
     

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    Re:Anybody believe in this?? 2012/11/04 02:56:39 (permalink)
     ....usless on desktop , priceless on laptop (specially aluminum based) with ground issues ....
    Now, here you talk about something that almost lured me into ordering one of these fruity colored high end cables some years ago. I just couldn't get rid of the 'noise' that came with the USB connection. My entire system was dead silent (i.e. no audible noise / interference) when monitoring through the interface in standalone mode (with PC switched-off) but as soon as I turned the DAW on, it was back there humming and hissing away. I blamed it on a less than ideal ground of the DAW power supply, but couldn't solve. It drove me nuts ...
     
    Meanwhile I've rebuild the entire recording set-up from step one (new room, power supply no longer coupled to house, power conditioner, common grounding point for all devices, ...), basically following all the steps the good guys recommend in the text books ... and not surprising, the whole system is quiet, even the old DAW with the 'suspicious' power supply ...
     
    Anyway, I spent about 20K along the way, meaning I could have bought some 15 of these top of the pops USB cables instead. I doubt any of them would have solved my original problem. None of them would have given me the tremendous accoustical improvement that the whole building experience provided ...
     

     

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    Re:Anybody believe in this?? 2012/11/04 03:49:27 (permalink)
    Gold plating is not hype. Gold is good because its immutable meaning it wont degrade over time. But its only important for jacks not the wire. If your jacks are not gold plated than you will need to clean them from time to time. Almost all metals will corrode but gold wont. You should clean them anyway. 

    The price is not much more for jacks that have a gold coating. 

    As for cords that claim a better transfer due to some design is bogus. But you do want well made cables and cords because you want the connections to be well made. Other than that one cable is the same as another. 



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    Re:Anybody believe in this?? 2012/11/04 04:23:10 (permalink)
    heres a good one lol dontknow whether any of yous seen Ethan Winers audio myths workshop Uploaded with ImageShack.us
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    Re:Anybody believe in this?? 2012/11/04 04:39:35 (permalink)
    Ok, first of all, any cable that transfers a digital signal is not going to affect audio quality. USB cables are digital, as are hdmi, DVI, and midi cables.

    Digital is either on or off, it either works or it doesn't. If you have a poor signal, you will hear loud noticeable digital distortion or have connectivity issues. In other words, you will know when your cable is cheap.

    Now, with that said, the usb standard can have some pretty flaky power issues that can negatively affect connectivity on usb powered devices. For instance, you may have a usb audio interface, and it may not always work correctly, lock up, or not be found because the data is not transferring correctly and/or the device isn't getting enough power.

    My DAW has 7 usb devices connected (all usb powered):

    keyboard, mouse, Novation SL2, Mackie Blackjack, iLok, Propellerheads key, and Arturia Spark.

    I had problems getting all the different devices working when all connected at the same time when I was using lower quality cables. Replacing with thicker cables with ferrite coils on either side, and making sure my motherboard has all it's updates (bios and drivers) fixed the problems. The "better" cables I used cost me about $5 each at a local computer store.

    Same with my HDTV, $5 HDMI cables that perform flawlessly in 1080p.

    Go cheap, but smart on digital cables. Go mid-range or preferably balanced on analog cables. And for digital and analog, always choose the shortest cables and fattest that will fit your setup.
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    Re:Anybody believe in this?? 2012/11/04 04:43:39 (permalink)
    this- "The "better" cables I used cost me about $5 each at a local computer store."
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    Re:Anybody believe in this?? 2012/11/04 04:49:36 (permalink)
    I've been to quite a number of pricey recording studios, never have I seen any gold plating on any cables, my best friend has a large studio, SSL console, wall to wall outboard gear, 100K worth of mic's, control room and speaker system built by Brüel & Kjær etc.. uses standard nickel neutrik's all around.

    A fool and his money..

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    Re:Anybody believe in this?? 2012/11/04 05:40:43 (permalink)
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    I've been to quite a number of pricey recording studios, never have I seen any gold plating on any cables, my best friend has a large studio, SSL console, wall to wall outboard gear, 100K worth of mic's, control room and speaker system built by Brüel & Kjær etc.. uses standard nickel neutrik's all around.

    A fool and his money..

    Not on the cables but on the jacks. You know the thing you connect to on the hardware. Cables are replaceable where the jacks may not be.   

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    Re:Anybody believe in this?? 2012/11/04 06:25:53 (permalink)
    I know, neutrik is a company that makes Jacks and XLR's plugs used by most professional studios, sorry should have been more clear on that, I just assumed most people knew the neutrik brand, perhaps they are more common in DK.

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    Re:Anybody believe in this?? 2012/11/04 06:30:46 (permalink)
    Neutrik is pretty common in the US too.
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    Re:Anybody believe in this?? 2012/11/04 07:01:22 (permalink)
    audiophiles.  that's who these guys sell this stuff to.

    look at these:
    http://pearcable.com/sub_products_anjou.htm

    $2100 for a pair of 5 meter RCA cables.

    yeah right.
     
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    Re:Anybody believe in this?? 2012/11/04 07:10:18 (permalink)
    Snake Oil for the masses.

    It makes them feel better about themselves and gives them faux bragging rights in front of impressionable (but not knowledgable) friends

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    Re:Anybody believe in this?? 2012/11/04 07:13:28 (permalink)
    aye lol 2100 dollars for rca cables that are either gonna hook up a dj mixer to an amp, or to be used in some kinda low end audio interface ,, satisfaction guaranteed or yer money back, no joke lol
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    Re:Anybody believe in this?? 2012/11/04 07:28:50 (permalink)
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    Gold plating is not hype. Gold is good because its immutable meaning it wont degrade over time. But its only important for jacks not the wire. If your jacks are not gold plated than you will need to clean them from time to time. Almost all metals will corrode but gold wont. You should clean them anyway. 

    The price is not much more for jacks that have a gold coating. 

    As for cords that claim a better transfer due to some design is bogus. But you do want well made cables and cords because you want the connections to be well made. Other than that one cable is the same as another. 

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    the other thing that is misunderstood is the magnetic field ....and so the impact of a cheap cable near a magnetic source !! i took the Monster for the conector and blindage (french word , i don't know how to say it in english) ....the way you layout the cables have an impact too !! it's obvious when i did my car booming system (Focal based) but it's the case in studios and even in desktops !! (when i open a desktop , i know if it was assembled by a pro or a regular dude)  ...we need to let the power pass a way and the data cable in another place , far from power !! ...it was even obvious with paralllel buses ....because even tortion had an impact on the data sync !!


    My cable was 30 euros  , it rely my fireface 400 (the nerve center of my on the go rig) to my laptop , so it's worth every euros !!

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    nice work on "believe that!" zo. good stuff.

    thks , but that's all 6 years old track (no mixed , not strucured) ...i got jacked too many tracks (even protected) that i don't post anything new now;)

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    Re:Anybody believe in this?? 2012/11/04 07:55:14 (permalink)
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    Kinda like all that gold plating on your audio connectors hipe. Sure they're better, but unless the wires between them are gold too... 
      

      
     

    I will assume you are not an electrical engineer, as this shows a significant lack of technical understanding. the weakest link in any electrical circuit involving cables is the mechanical connection. two mating surfaces of gold plate has a significantly lower, and more predictable contact resistance than two nickel plated connectors...

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