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Re:Anyone else feel that the X1 Upgrade is too expensive? 2011/02/02 10:30:37 (permalink)
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No it is not too expensive.


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Re:Anyone else feel that the X1 Upgrade is too expensive? 2011/02/02 11:28:04 (permalink)
$99 to keep your DAW current each year, and you think this is expensive? A carpenter can pay that much on a single high quality saw blade! Heck, I spend more than that on coffee every month in my project studio.

I think the upgrade price is more than fair.

Of course, this is based on the assmption that X1b is going to solve any major bugs and many smaller ones as well. Although I've been running fine with X1, I can understand the frustration with those that spent the money and it isn't working for them.
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Re:Anyone else feel that the X1 Upgrade is too expensive? 2011/02/02 12:34:15 (permalink)
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spanky


No it is not too expensive.


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Re:Anyone else feel that the X1 Upgrade is too expensive? 2011/02/02 13:07:00 (permalink)
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Sorry, but I just have to say this about the thread: 

I spent quite some time in the USA a few years ago, and the thing that boggled my mind time and again was how someone would start up a conversation about how he saved two or three bucks, or went "elsewhere" cause he could save five bucks. 
Are the richest countries in the world really so tight on cash? Here I am paying 7 to 10 times more PLUS shipping for anything that is imported (which is all electronics and software), I don't spend time complaining. I either buy it or I dont. But to take the time out to start a THREAD about it....

Just my 16 RSA cents worth :O)


The problem here in the USA is that people will complain about the cost of a box of Cheerios yet they will spend $250.00 / month so they can watch 8 zillion reality tv, sports programs on cable.

It's a mindset that is fed by the propaganda the news and talk shows spew daily.

Charge $5.00 /gallon for gas simply because some tanker crashed in the Persian Gulf and people will still gladly buy gas guzzling SUVs.

However, if you take Oprah off the air, they would be rioting in the streets.

We need to be more like Egypt IMHO.
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Re:Anyone else feel that the X1 Upgrade is too expensive? 2011/02/02 13:13:48 (permalink)
No I don't think $99 is too much at all.  I spend more than that at starbucks in just a couple weeks or taking the family to a movie and dinner.  There are a lot of easy ways to flush $99 down the drain. 

Cakewalk/Roland don't make all their revenue to fund the continuous development of Sonar through new sales alone.  They are counting on a existing user base to help fund a significant amount.  With every new release there have been bugs.  X1 without a doubt more than normal (for a lot of reasons).  But most of us know that a lot of bugs get cleared up within a few months, and WE ALL HAVE THE CHOICE to upgrade after bugs are cleared up.  No one is forcing us to buy the upgrade. 

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Re:Anyone else feel that the X1 Upgrade is too expensive? 2011/02/02 13:22:55 (permalink)
If you wait until X2 is released to upgrade from 8.5.3 (and ignoring bug fixes), what features that are unique to X1 will you have missed out on by not purchasing it?


OK I give up.  What is the answer here?

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Re:Anyone else feel that the X1 Upgrade is too expensive? 2011/02/02 13:27:03 (permalink)
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If you wait until X2 is released to upgrade from 8.5.3 (and ignoring bug fixes), what features that are unique to X1 will you have missed out on by not purchasing it?


OK I give up.  What is the answer here?


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Re:Anyone else feel that the X1 Upgrade is too expensive? 2011/02/02 13:27:32 (permalink)
If the software works well, then $99 is a steal HOWEVER, I've read so much negative feedback about X1 and I've had so many annoying issues with old versions that I just cannot justify it.  I do think it is a very competitive price though.

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Re:Anyone else feel that the X1 Upgrade is too expensive? 2011/02/02 15:46:22 (permalink)
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--um, well no price is fair when the product doesn't work as advertised.  And you're only talking about the relatively inexpensive upgrade prices.  New customers are paying--what, $400?- for something that doesn't work. 


just curious.. do you pay the advertised price, with anything and everything? I want you to take a lesson from Terry Tibbs in haggling :) (he's on youtube)

but I doubt many pay that price in the real world... what with buying equipment and getting a deal.. or crossgrades etc. A lot will buy it BUT can claim it back as a business expense or get the tax etc back

I put it into perspective with my current p67 mobo (and parts which cost me far more).. that has just been a total nightmare.. great intel commented about the chipset.. but it's caused me FAR more hassle and isn't as straight forward to fix as software.
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Re:Anyone else feel that the X1 Upgrade is too expensive? 2011/02/02 19:18:21 (permalink)
Arguably the X1 "upgrade" is a new program with upgrade pricing. Much more meat than most prior upgrades. That is not to say that the meat is to everyone's taste or that it would pass inspection if there were the software equivalent of the USDA.

I just laid down nearly sixty dollars for Turbotax. An unimaginative ugly piece of limited application software, that will have no value whatsoever in a few weeks. To charge that much for that lame little calculator when you are spreading the development cost over millions of units is absurd. When you compare the prices, X1 looks like the bargain of the century.
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Re:Anyone else feel that the X1 Upgrade is too expensive? 2011/02/02 20:32:27 (permalink)
Well, you could have went to me instead for taxes, I charge $200 an hour :)


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Re:Anyone else feel that the X1 Upgrade is too expensive? 2011/02/03 03:01:12 (permalink)
LJB Sorry, but I just have to say this about the thread:  I spent quite some time in the USA a few years ago, and the thing that boggled my mind time and again was how someone would start up a conversation about how he saved two or three bucks, or went "elsewhere" cause he could save five bucks.  Are the richest countries in the world really so tight on cash? Here I am paying 7 to 10 times more PLUS shipping for anything that is imported (which is all electronics and software), I don't spend time complaining. I either buy it or I dont. But to take the time out to start a THREAD about it.... Just my 16 RSA cents worth :O) The problem here in the USA is that people will complain about the cost of a box of Cheerios yet they will spend $250.00 / month so they can watch 8 zillion reality tv, sports programs on cable. It's a mindset that is fed by the propaganda the news and talk shows spew daily. Charge $5.00 /gallon for gas simply because some tanker crashed in the Persian Gulf and people will still gladly buy gas guzzling SUVs. However, if you take Oprah off the air, they would be rioting in the streets. We need to be more like Egypt IMHO. Before it's too late.
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LJB


Sorry, but I just have to say this about the thread: 

I spent quite some time in the USA a few years ago, and the thing that boggled my mind time and again was how someone would start up a conversation about how he saved two or three bucks, or went "elsewhere" cause he could save five bucks. 
Are the richest countries in the world really so tight on cash? Here I am paying 7 to 10 times more PLUS shipping for anything that is imported (which is all electronics and software), I don't spend time complaining. I either buy it or I dont. But to take the time out to start a THREAD about it....

Just my 16 RSA cents worth :O)


The problem here in the USA is that people will complain about the cost of a box of Cheerios yet they will spend $250.00 / month so they can watch 8 zillion reality tv, sports programs on cable.

It's a mindset that is fed by the propaganda the news and talk shows spew daily.

Charge $5.00 /gallon for gas simply because some tanker crashed in the Persian Gulf and people will still gladly buy gas guzzling SUVs.

However, if you take Oprah off the air, they would be rioting in the streets.

We need to be more like Egypt IMHO.
Before it's too late.



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Re:Anyone else feel that the X1 Upgrade is too expensive? 2011/02/03 11:19:04 (permalink)
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LJB

Are the richest countries in the world really so tight on cash? Here I am paying 7 to 10 times more PLUS shipping for anything that is imported (which is all electronics and software), I don't spend time complaining. I either buy it or I dont. But to take the time out to start a THREAD about it....

Just my 16 RSA cents worth :O)

We need to be more like Egypt IMHO.
Before it's too late.
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Re:Anyone else feel that the X1 Upgrade is too expensive? 2011/02/03 11:54:45 (permalink)
I think the upgrade price is very reasonable. Although I really like 8.5, I consider X1 to be a huge improvement. 

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Re:Anyone else feel that the X1 Upgrade is too expensive? 2011/02/03 12:01:21 (permalink)
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LJB


Sorry, but I just have to say this about the thread: 

I spent quite some time in the USA a few years ago, and the thing that boggled my mind time and again was how someone would start up a conversation about how he saved two or three bucks, or went "elsewhere" cause he could save five bucks. 
Are the richest countries in the world really so tight on cash? Here I am paying 7 to 10 times more PLUS shipping for anything that is imported (which is all electronics and software), I don't spend time complaining. I either buy it or I dont. But to take the time out to start a THREAD about it....

Just my 16 RSA cents worth :O)


The problem here in the USA is that people will complain about the cost of a box of Cheerios yet they will spend $250.00 / month so they can watch 8 zillion reality tv, sports programs on cable.

It's a mindset that is fed by the propaganda the news and talk shows spew daily.

Charge $5.00 /gallon for gas simply because some tanker crashed in the Persian Gulf and people will still gladly buy gas guzzling SUVs.

However, if you take Oprah off the air, they would be rioting in the streets.

We need to be more like Egypt IMHO.
Before it's too late.

wow.  let's see how offensive we can be by stereotyping everyone in a particular country to a particular behavior.   This is completely inappropriate.
 
this is a software forum.  why do people feel the need to bash each other or their nationality over a piece of software?

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Re:Anyone else feel that the X1 Upgrade is too expensive? 2011/02/03 16:22:23 (permalink)
I didn't pay a penny for X1 so I think it's good value. I got ripped for 8.5 though .

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Re:Anyone else feel that the X1 Upgrade is too expensive? 2011/02/03 16:28:22 (permalink)
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I didn't pay a penny for X1...

How'd you manage that, Grum?

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Re:Anyone else feel that the X1 Upgrade is too expensive? 2011/02/03 16:29:47 (permalink)
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I didn't pay a penny for X1 so I think it's good value. I got ripped for 8.5 though .

Grum.

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Re:Anyone else feel that the X1 Upgrade is too expensive? 2011/02/03 16:31:09 (permalink)
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grumbleweed4162


I didn't pay a penny for X1...

How'd you manage that, Grum?

RB


I'm assuming he did the same as me - bought 8.5 for $99 and got X1 for free.......

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Re:Anyone else feel that the X1 Upgrade is too expensive? 2011/02/03 16:35:47 (permalink)
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rbowser


grumbleweed4162


I didn't pay a penny for X1...

How'd you manage that, Grum?

RB

I'm assuming he did the same as me - bought 8.5 for $99 and got X1 for free.......
 
Well it is more like $143 but let's not get back into that one!
 
Grum.

Edit: missed a word out which completely ruined the post. Damn those word things.

post edited by grumbleweed4162 - 2011/02/03 16:37:55

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Re:Anyone else feel that the X1 Upgrade is too expensive? 2011/02/03 16:40:53 (permalink)
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Well it is more like $143 but let's not get back into that one! 

 
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Re:Anyone else feel that the X1 Upgrade is too expensive? 2011/02/03 16:45:19 (permalink)
No, it's not expensive enough.  I'd pay extra to get the bugs removed ;)

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Re:Anyone else feel that the X1 Upgrade is too expensive? 2011/02/03 16:46:20 (permalink)
Ah, that's right.  I always thought of the upgrade price as paying for the whole package, but X1 was considered "free"--how soon I forget.  I paid $79 for an upgrade from 8.3 because I stick with the Studio versions.

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Re:Anyone else feel that the X1 Upgrade is too expensive? 2011/02/03 16:48:52 (permalink)
Well it is more like $143 but let's not get back into that one!


I was going to comment on that as well but thought I'd better not raise that particular ghost. Maybe that's why some can get X1 to work and some don't. The more expensive version us UK users bought is more stable.

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Re:Anyone else feel that the X1 Upgrade is too expensive? 2011/02/03 16:59:43 (permalink)
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Well it is more like $143 but let's not get back into that one!


I was going to comment on that as well but thought I'd better not raise that particular ghost. Maybe that's why some can get X1 to work and some don't. The more expensive version us UK users bought is more stable.
I'm getting my kicks out of it. Perhaps it is the casual user verses the "studio" user. If I had a studio I'd have given up at version 8 (it didn't like my pc).
 
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Re:Anyone else feel that the X1 Upgrade is too expensive? 2011/02/03 21:27:19 (permalink)
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--um, well no price is fair when the product doesn't work as advertised.  And you're only talking about the relatively inexpensive upgrade prices.  New customers are paying--what, $400?- for something that doesn't work. 

Just to be clear: Something that does not work for you and some others and works fine me and some others.
$99 is not expensive and you will not pay anymore as CW fixes stuff.
post edited by stratman70 - 2011/02/03 21:28:56

 
 
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Re:Anyone else feel that the X1 Upgrade is too expensive? 2011/02/03 22:13:34 (permalink)
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--um, well no price is fair when the product doesn't work as advertised.  And you're only talking about the relatively inexpensive upgrade prices.  New customers are paying--what, $400?- for something that doesn't work. 

Just to be clear: Something that does not work for you and some others and works fine me and some others.
$99 is not expensive and you will not pay anymore as CW fixes stuff.


Well, OK--Just to be clear:  Something that does not work for me also does not work for you, because numerous things in this release don't work on anybody's machines.

$400 is expensive for something not ready for release.  That's all.

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Re:Anyone else feel that the X1 Upgrade is too expensive? 2011/02/03 22:19:27 (permalink)
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rbowser


--um, well no price is fair when the product doesn't work as advertised.  And you're only talking about the relatively inexpensive upgrade prices.  New customers are paying--what, $400?- for something that doesn't work. 

Just to be clear: Something that does not work for you and some others and works fine me and some others.
$99 is not expensive and you will not pay anymore as CW fixes stuff.


Well, OK--Just to be clear:  Something that does not work for me also does not work for you, because numerous things in this release don't work on anybody's machines.

$400 is expensive for something not ready for release.  That's all.

Randy B.


What are these 'numerous' things that don't work? I can think of several annoying bugs but 'numerous' things that don't work I'm lost on. Unless they are working in my 40% more expensive UK version and not the cheaper version.

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Re:Anyone else feel that the X1 Upgrade is too expensive? 2011/02/03 22:44:28 (permalink)
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--um, well no price is fair when the product doesn't work as advertised.  And you're only talking about the relatively inexpensive upgrade prices.  New customers are paying--what, $400?- for something that doesn't work. 

Just to be clear: Something that does not work for you and some others and works fine me and some others.
$99 is not expensive and you will not pay anymore as CW fixes stuff.
You see, this kind of post is irresponsible. Not busting on you stratman, but think of it this way, someone new to Sonar comes to the forums and reads this because it's the first thread at the top of the X1 forum. They see you say "works fine me and some others." and goes out and buys the full version of X1 Producer for $399, and installs it. Does all the updates, and the things that we all know don't work on any platform, doesn't work for this person. EDIT: Also wanted to add that there are things broken in X1 that have been broken going back to 8.0 and probably further but I'm not aware of them. For you to say people will not pay anymore as CW fixes stuff is completely out in left field. Where have you been all these years?

What do you tell that person when they register on the forums and come here asking about Audio Snap, Snap To Grid, and many other things?

Let's do some role playing, I'm the FNG who just logged on to the forums for the first time.

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FNG, "Hey guys, trying to get audio snap to quantize, and my snap to settings keep changing on their own. Can someone let me know if I have something set up wrong please. I read in the forums that X1 is working for some so I'd like to know how you guys got those two things to work."

stratmans response ??????

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Re:Anyone else feel that the X1 Upgrade is too expensive? 2011/02/03 23:04:18 (permalink)
FastBikerBoy


What are these 'numerous' things that don't work?...


My dear FastBikerBoy - I don't know how you think your reply can possibly be taken seriously.  This Forum is full of extremely redundant reports of the same problems that X1 one has.  It would be absurd to recount them yet once again just because you want to pretend you're not aware of X1's problems, which have often been acknowledged by Mr. Sonar himself, Scott Garrigus.

It will be a very fine day when--if??--Cakewalk fixes this botched release, because then we'll be able to carry on with more fruitful discussions.

Meanwhile--It's not as if I'm unable to make recordings with X1.  Of course I can, but with a crazy amount of work-arounds that make it a painful process compared to what I'm still able to do in 8.5.  That's why to me it's still just something to experiment with and poke at.  It's impossible for me to take it seriously--It's obviously an unfinished program.   I'll carry on with that version until this one is fixed.  That's all.  --Have fun dodging the problems and staring at that hideous kindergarten level GUI.

Randy B.

Sonar X3e Studio
Roland A-800 MIDI keyboard controller
Alesis i|O2 interface
Gigabyte Technology-AMD Phenom II @ 3 GHz
8 Gb RAM 6 Core Windows 7 Home Premium x64
with dual monitors
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