jfcomposer
 
...but you don't give trophies to kids on a baseball team because they ran fast in the wrong direction. 
 
Then again... maybe they do.  Bad analogy.

You would give them trophies anyway, because they are kids.
 
If a bunch of adult people run by intention in a specific direction, the term "wrong" might be arguable. ;)
 

TerraSin
I can't believe how rude some people here have been. Cake has been working their butts off on these things and have been very generous to us the past few years only to be torn down by some people here who are being very entitled in their opinions over this because it doesn't directly effect them.
...

It's a question of overhyping. We were specifically told to wait until June 1st, at which time there will be something big that will affect us all. We already knew about lifetime updates (which is really great). SONAR on Mac is great news for about 2% of CW's current users. We get updated/new features every month, so not really much surprising there. Not saying those aren't nice, those are all great thanks CW!
 
Then again, I'm perfectly happy with SONAR and where it is going both before and after this "big announcement". I just didn't need the overhyping and then finding out it is basically nothing really.

I'm just wondering if the multi-version bugs we work around will be built into the MAC version. Seriously.
 
I was hoping for an announcement about a ground up rebuild of Sonar PC that got rid of the legacy code that has caused issues in eliminating bugs. Other than the lifetime upgrade issue there is nothing immediate, everything is prefaced by we will, we can, we plan, stay tuned.

SilkTone

TerraSin
I can't believe how rude some people here have been. Cake has been working their butts off on these things and have been very generous to us the past few years only to be torn down by some people here who are being very entitled in their opinions over this because it doesn't directly effect them.
...

It's a question of overhyping. We were specifically told to wait until June 1st, at which time there will be something big that will affect us all. We already knew about lifetime updates (which is really great). SONAR on Mac is great news for about 2% of CW's current users. We get updated/new features every month, so not really much surprising there. Not saying those aren't nice, those are all great thanks CW!
 
Then again, I'm perfectly happy with SONAR and where it is going both before and after this "big announcement". I just didn't need the overhyping and then finding out it is basically nothing really.

Lifetime is pretty big news. Many people outside this forum didn't know about it and now they do. And our commitment to improve some core areas of SONAR is pretty important to some folks. I think we all agree though that no matter what it was, there would be some people unpleased anyway :)

I have to admit the OSX announcement was a bit of a letdown for me, although I pretty much thought that's what the big news was going to be.
 
If it makes Cakewalk a stronger company with more resources because of a larger user base, that's good with me.
 
I suppose there's a chance they would go the way of Logic and drop Windows support. But it doesn't seem likely, since it would mean dropping most of their user base. Still, I'm not switching to Apple.

The sky isn't falling.
 
I am (and always was) one of the more bitter skeptics of many things Cakewalk does. With the benefit of some years behind me, it's safe to say, many of the things I was skeptical about are starting to pan out nicely.
 
* I was skeptical about the rolling update model, but it worked.
* I was furious about the unreliability and bugginess of the DAW, but much of that is in the past now.
* I was disappointed with the ergonomics of the DAW, but with some tweaking, it's actually well ahead of the competition. And oh yeah, the performance still kills it.
 
So, what do the lifetime updates mean from a cynic's perspective? The DAW is becoming more and more commoditized and more and more serves as a marketplace for other commercial products. LANDR, Soundcloud, Gobbler are already being sold through SONAR and other DAWs in addition to all the instruments and effects. I expect more will come.
 
Thus, a user who keeps using Sonar and never pays for another update offers far more revenue than a user who buys Sonar and never uses it again, even though they have paid the same number of dollars out of pocket. 
 
This suggests a couple of probable outcomes: while lifetime upgrades are currently being offered only for Platinum, this is likely a push to sell upgrades rather than a true limitation. I suspect we'll see lifetime updates for other editions in a while. Also, while the lifetime updates are likely marketed as a limited-time offer, I think it's likely that they will either not disappear or eventually reappear. Because Cakewalk has an incentive to keep its customers up to date if only so that they can provide the next built-in integration with a commercial third party service.
 
(Edit: grammar)

ampfixer

Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]

ampfixer
I'm just wondering if the multi-version bugs we work around will be built into the MAC version. Seriously.
 
I was hoping for an announcement about a ground up rebuild of Sonar PC that got rid of the legacy code that has caused issues in eliminating bugs. Other than the lifetime upgrade issue there is nothing immediate, everything is prefaced by we will, we can, we plan, stay tuned.

Part of the announcement is to dig and improve some certain core areas. I think it's called a Commitment to Awesomeness :)
 

 

Is awesome Overused?

Many object to the use of awesome to describe something (such as a sandwich) that does not literally elicit feelings of awe. Yet the same people who insist that awesome should be used only of weighty subjects (Niagara Falls, man landing on the moon) will happily use the word awful in reference to something (such as a mess) that falls distinctly short of being “full of awe.” This weakened sense was once considered improper – in fact, complaints about it persisted through the early decades of the 20th century.
The change in meaning that awesome is undergoing may be more recent than that of awful, but both words are treading the same path. For evidence that such change is normal, we need look no further than awe, which originally meant “terror” and now carries the weaker sense “wonder.”

What an awesome post. 

Chris... you are always such a beacon of clarity!  
 
As to posts questioning whether Sonar can compete with apple's logic... I have a couple logic user friends who've stated more than once they wish Sonar worked on the Mac.  I think this is a brilliant move.
 
So much blather... I really don't understand why some of you haven't gone elsewhere... then again, I'm sure there are people on all the other DAW forums bloviating just like U... semitrolls are everywhere!
 
I need to use the block function more often... it's always the same people... stuck on sucks... declutter!  Will start tonight!!!
 
Love the announcement!  Love the platform! Look forward to all the ideas we've shared for improving it! Will go lifetime with my next check!!!
 
 

Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]

SilkTone
 
SONAR on Mac is great news for about 2% of CW's current users. 

FWIW - the current survey results suggests 70% of people are interested in SONAR OS X Alpha. We're still collecting results, but it hasn't swayed much from 70% all day. Very different from your assumption of 2%.
 
Personally, I've been hearing "when will SONAR be released on a Mac?" directly from both Cakewalk customers and people who use competitor products for YEARS. I've heard it at tradeshows, on emails and phones in my support days, from my colleagues at my part-time job at Berklee (where everyone BUT me refused to use anything but a Mac). If I'm being honest, it started to become really tiresome because for so long we had zero agenda of ever making it a reality. In my circles, SONAR on Mac has been in high demand for years.
 
Anyhow, I could go on for a while with random anecdotes, but I just felt the need to point out a lot more then 2% of current Cakewalk customers are expressing interest. That is insanely off the mark with what our users are and have been telling us.
 
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I don't doubt your reported ~70% but being a statistician I DO DOUBT your survey method and the population sampled, sorry.
 
Sonar/CW is NOT a Mac product, per se, yet your numbers indicate that of the population, of PRIMARILY PC users of Sonar, that THAT 70% want a Mac version?   Really?
 
You can't ask the same 1000 Mac users over and over (in the studio mix booth, on the floor at conventions, etc.) and call that an increased sample (even in bootstrap sampling that's a foul).
 
I would suggest that your circle, not to mention  SAMPLE, sounds a little statistically biased. 
 
 

bluesplayer

Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]

SilkTone
 
SONAR on Mac is great news for about 2% of CW's current users. 

FWIW - the current survey results suggests 70% of people are interested in SONAR OS X Alpha. We're still collecting results, but it hasn't swayed much from 70% all day. Very different from your assumption of 2%.
 
Personally, I've been hearing "when will SONAR be released on a Mac?" directly from both Cakewalk customers and people who use competitor products for YEARS. I've heard it at tradeshows, on emails and phones in my support days, from my colleagues at my part-time job at Berklee (where everyone BUT me refused to use anything but a Mac). If I'm being honest, it started to become really tiresome because for so long we had zero agenda of ever making it a reality. In my circles, SONAR on Mac has been in high demand for years.
 
Anyhow, I could go on for a while with random anecdotes, but I just felt the need to point out a lot more then 2% of current Cakewalk customers are expressing interest. That is insanely off the mark with what our users are and have been telling us.
 
Edit: typos

I don't doubt your reported ~70% but being a statistician I DO DOUBT your survey method and the population sampled, sorry.
 
Sonar/CW is NOT a Mac product, per se, yet your numbers indicate that of the population, of PRIMARILY PC users of Sonar, that THAT 70% want a Mac version?   Really?
 
You can't ask the same 1000 Mac users over and over (in the studio mix booth, on the floor at conventions, etc.) and call that an increased sample (even in bootstrap sampling that's a foul).
 
I would suggest that your circle, not to mention  SAMPLE, sounds a little statistically biased.

I was obviously exaggerating when I said it affects only 2% of current SONAR users (pulled out of the air), but you do bring up a good point. Specifically, my original comment (which is what Ryan replied to) was made in the context of current SONAR users, who obviously use SONAR on Windows. We were told that the June 1 announcement will affect all current users, hence my comment that the Mac version ended up not affecting many current SONAR users. How many of those users want a Mac version? I can't believe that it could possibly be as high as 70%.
 
However I can believe that when you add in non SONAR users, that the number might be that high. Of course if you ask any Mac user if they want SONAR on Mac they would say yes, whether they actually plan to use it or not.

SilkTone
 
We were told that the June 1 announcement will affect all current users, hence my comment that the Mac version ended up not affecting many current SONAR users. How many of those users want a Mac version? I can't believe that it could possibly be as high as 70%.
 

The Mac announcement was 1/3 of the full announcement. A big parts of the announcement was lifetime updates. This info was intended for a small set of users but was leaked earlier despite clear instructions that this was only intended for them. We can't control the internet unfortunately :).
Anyway keep that in mind looking at it as a whole.

Photo_G
Thanks Rocsee70, but that doesn't tell us what the right "SKU" is, so we don't make a mistake...whether buying from JRR or any other distributer.  For example, the name of the product directly from Cakewalk appears to be "SONAR Platinum (with Lifetime Updates)", but I don't see that name listed on any other web site....and I'm not sure that's considered a SKU anyway.

 
FYI, the new SKUs are there. If you follow the link from their June Deals mail it now shows you the same SKUs as what you can see in the Cakewalk Store or e.g. at Sweetwater's. There is no mention about Lifetime though, but it's clear from the wordings that it's those new SKUs. Also, I'm not getting the automatic discount they mention in their mail. I guess in replacing the SKUs, they forgot to also apply the auto-discount.
I dropped them a note on both Lifetime and auto-discount.
 
Link: https://www.jrrshop.com/c...p;order=news_from_date
 

Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]

SilkTone
 
SONAR on Mac is great news for about 2% of CW's current users. 

FWIW - the current survey results suggests 70% of people are interested in SONAR OS X Alpha. We're still collecting results, but it hasn't swayed much from 70% all day. Very different from your assumption of 2%.
 

 All power to Cakewalk's foray into macland, but that is some seriously flawed methodology you've got there Ryan. You are one skewed bell curve away from denying climate change