Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1?

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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1? 2011/09/23 10:01:26 (permalink)
'X1 on a new build W7 machine, I'd say go for it.' That's when I would switch, which is a good year off.
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1? 2011/09/23 10:06:21 (permalink)
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If you haven't already pressing C will completely hide the Control Bar gaining a bit more space and Benstats Sonar plus will enable a "full screen" view getting rid of the title bar and I *think* allows you to hide the collapsed multidock which will buy a bit more vertical space as well.

That may or may not help.

Am noting this down and shall try tonight, thanks again! I am aware of most of the space maxing tricks in X1 because they already exist in 8.5.3 and I use them, of course.
 
However, the minumum track height has is increased in X1 because the widgets are all just a bit larger.


Not only does each track in track view track require more screen space to display what it does display... but the track header also provides less information in the more wasteful use of space.

So it turns out that it is, like, even more of less.

It's a primary reason I'm not using X1.




If track layers worked properly... I might use less tracks... but because the track layers are fragile and buggy I find I use more tracks than I would than if the layer's clip envelopes were reliable.

I sort of miss all the missing tracks (and the useful info like stereo interleave and phase buttons) that were cast aside when X1 was having all the blank spaces added to it's GUI.

I have no idea what all that new blank space is supposed to do.

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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1? 2011/09/23 10:24:15 (permalink)
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'X1 on a new build W7 machine, I'd say go for it.' That's when I would switch, which is a good year off.

I sometimes record soft sources with a TLM-103 in quiet environments. For example a female Irish vocalist and flautist in the artists own rehearsal room.
 
I use an Atom-powered netbook with 8.5.3 in these situations because the fan does not start up when I record.
 
This is not the case with my new W7 64bit Intel i7 laptop, which I can only use for louder, live rockband type of work.
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1? 2011/09/23 10:27:55 (permalink)

I've got 2 of them 103s.... Have you tried a nice ribbon mic on the flautist?


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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1? 2011/09/23 10:44:22 (permalink)
The 103 is a bit bright for woodwinds, true. I use it for it's very low self-noise.

I have a Gefell M930 which is even quieter and not as hyped at the top. I use that for instruments but it's not my choice for vocals.

I don't have the budget for a good ribbon, nor the time and experience to know how to select one. They also need patience for the care and upkeep. And I have too often made the mistake of buying cheap and being disappointed.

But it would be nice. Yeah.
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1? 2011/09/23 11:18:51 (permalink)
However, the minumum track height has is increased in X1 because the widgets are all just a bit larger.

There are some variables in the Cakewalk ini file that you can change to decrease or increase TV control heights. I've used a few but haven't tried the heigh and spacing ones. That may help further. See the manual for further info....page 1222.
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1? 2011/09/23 11:21:30 (permalink)
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Press 'B' - that hides the browser. If you want it gone completely undock it and then use the close window button.


Yeah... it seems to keep coming back every time I re install X1.

;-)

Trust me if I had to keep re-installing X1 I'd be using cubareaptoolsone or something else by now. And I'm a fanboy!!

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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1? 2011/09/23 12:03:26 (permalink)
"I use it for it's very low self-noise."

I thought I might have been *reading that* into your previous post about the soft content in quiet rooms. :-)


best,
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1? 2011/09/23 12:14:05 (permalink)
Bottom line: Workflow. Much faster and smoother than ever.

Enjoy the time you've got, because it's all the time you get.
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1? 2011/09/23 12:35:25 (permalink)
Here's a video that outlines quite clearly some of the ways in which X1 is faster and more streamlined in its workflow than 8.5

SONAR X1. Easier To use.

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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1? 2011/09/23 13:02:41 (permalink)
If you met an 8.5 user on the street and struck up a casual conversation, would you urge him to switch to X1?

Short answer: No.

Medium answer: nor would I discourage him. I would suggest trying the demo and seeing if he likes it. I'd say that he shouldn't worry about stability, that X1 is no buggier than 8.5.

Long answer: I would ask how he uses SONAR now. If he's recording straight audio like JazzSinger, I'd suggest that X1 has nothing truly useful to offer over 8.5. If he's an all-MIDI composer, I'd say try the PRV before deciding; some like it better, others don't. Most important, I'd ask how important automation is to him, whether he hand-draws automation, and whether he routinely uses more than one envelope per track. If his automation looks like neon spaghetti, I'd strongly suggest staying with 8.5.


All else is in doubt, so this is the truth I cling to. 

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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1? 2011/09/23 13:05:29 (permalink)
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1? 2011/09/23 13:09:24 (permalink)
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Please refrain from that sort of obnoxious posting. The smiley face doesn't negate the intent.  

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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1? 2011/09/23 13:14:25 (permalink)
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Thanks for that, I think I should start publicising my title more, there's some down in that coffee house claiming that they are untalented too. I won't have it I tell you, I AM the ONE.
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1? 2011/09/23 13:16:45 (permalink)
Okay, and that was obnoxious how????

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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1? 2011/09/23 13:21:31 (permalink)

The typical 8.5.3 user on the street.
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1? 2011/09/23 13:24:54 (permalink)
John do you think its OK to call another member untalented? I don't, no matter how it is couched. That is not what the forum is for.

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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1? 2011/09/23 13:32:04 (permalink)
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Please refrain from that sort of obnoxious posting. The smiley face doesn't negate the intent.  


John, I have no problem with the above at all. It's a bit of a standing joke fairly well known that I am Mr. Untalented. Honestly I encourage it as much as anyone, long story involving me and a banned no longer active user 10Ten.

Mind you I often think he's masquerading on here as one of the other trolls.
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1? 2011/09/23 13:33:48 (permalink)
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Mind you I often think he's masquerading on here as one of the other trolls. 


I am not a troll.
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1? 2011/09/23 13:37:48 (permalink)
I'll cross you off my list of suspects then.....

Here's a sneaky peek at my top 3 on that list

SUSPECTS

1. Bapu
2. Bapu
3. Bapu


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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1? 2011/09/23 13:44:31 (permalink)
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Please refrain from that sort of obnoxious posting. The smiley face doesn't negate the intent.  


John, I have no problem with the above at all. It's a bit of a standing joke fairly well known that I am Mr. Untalented. Honestly I encourage it as much as anyone, long story involving me and a banned no longer active user 10Ten.

Mind you I often think he's masquerading on here as one of the other trolls.


I know how you handle such things. I also know that you are an easy going fellow.

In another context I would have said nothing. Here under circumstances that we both are aware of I found it just what I called it.

I also know you need no defending. On the other hand if I say nothing when I am viewing it as I see it then when another post from some one else pops up I would be hypocritical not to make note of it if I wish to make note of that.

We need to stop bashing ourselves and CW on this forum.

Best
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1? 2011/09/23 14:02:42 (permalink)
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Please refrain from that sort of obnoxious posting. The smiley face doesn't negate the intent.  

 
If you managed to look past the end of your own self-important nose you'd notice that FBB uses that word in his signature.
 
It's a joke.
 
Pop down into the Coffee House a bit more often (other than when John T instructs you to go and look at my post about the pair of you) and you might get to know a few of us a little better. FBB has a great sense of humour and actually, although you'll have to take my word for it as you don't listen to other members' music, he is a very talented musician and producer.
 
I've conversed with him by PM about a band we share a particular fondness for and he's a top chap.
 
Maybe your own social awkwardness and inability to see the good in others might also start to improve if you let your hair down a bit.
 
 

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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1? 2011/09/23 14:04:34 (permalink)
OP here.

Now that the thread has degenerated into flames I figured I'd check in.

Thanks to all for the useful input. I actually have X1 and have installed it three times and tried to get used to it and like it. I mean I have genuinely tried to be flexible and go with the flow, but something about it gives me a vague feeling of discomfort. It's like the overall feel of it makes me uncomfortable.

The one thing I have been able to define is that, like others here, I can't fit as many tracks on the screen at once. There does seem to be a lot of wasted screen space compared to 8.5. Other things (all of them have been mentioned) make it feel clunky and inefficient. Almost as if it's a combination of newly-introduced inefficiencies combined with newly-introduced efficiencies.

8.5, on the other hand, feels very "organic" and yet professional. I am wondering if it is a good idea to record in 8.5 and then mix and master in X1. Do any of you do that?

Well, I'm about to visit X1C land and try again. I will give it my best effort to be cooperative and forgiving, hoping that I'll finally say, "Ahh.. Now I get it."
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1? 2011/09/23 14:11:23 (permalink)
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Please refrain from that sort of obnoxious posting. The smiley face doesn't negate the intent.  

 
If you managed to look past the end of your own self-important nose you'd notice that FBB uses that word in his signature.
 
It's a joke.
 
Pop down into the Coffee House a bit more often (other than when John T instructs you to go and look at my post about the pair of you) and you might get to know a few of us a little better. FBB has a great sense of humour and actually, although you'll have to take my word for it as you don't listen to other members' music, he is a very talented musician and producer.
 
I've conversed with him by PM about a band we share a particular fondness for and he's a top chap.
 
Maybe your own social awkwardness and inability to see the good in others might also start to improve if you let your hair down a bit.
 
 


What FBB says about himself is his business. What you say about him is the forums business. I didn't like it. I still don't. It doesn't matter to me what any one else thinks about it. I voice what I think about it. This BTW is not the CH. 

Best
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1? 2011/09/23 14:20:59 (permalink)
Saw the words 8.5 and X1 joined together.
Thought there would be a fight
There was a fight.
Popping out of thread.... goodbye.

From now repeat after me, thine should never mention 8.5 and X1 in the same breath for fear of death, for thine is the kingdom.... etc.

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BTW - Just get the demo and then decide. Bottom line.

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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1? 2011/09/23 14:43:41 (permalink)
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Please refrain from that sort of obnoxious posting. The smiley face doesn't negate the intent.  


If you managed to look past the end of your own self-important nose you'd notice that FBB uses that word in his signature.

It's a joke.

Pop down into the Coffee House a bit more often (other than when John T instructs you to go and look at my post about the pair of you) and you might get to know a few of us a little better. FBB has a great sense of humour and actually, although you'll have to take my word for it as you don't listen to other members' music, he is a very talented musician and producer.

I've conversed with him by PM about a band we share a particular fondness for and he's a top chap.

Maybe your own social awkwardness and inability to see the good in others might also start to improve if you let your hair down a bit.




What FBB says about himself is his business. What you say about him is the forums business. I didn't like it. I still don't. It doesn't matter to me what any one else thinks about it. I voice what I think about it.  

 
John, have some dignity man. You are making yourself look stupid.
 
I realise I may have hit a raw nerve in that other thread, but to me you're looking just a little desperate to settle the score with me and garner some degree of support from other users. Honestly, if this is the level you'll stoop to make me out to be one of the 'bad guys', then I have to say I find it a little pathetic.
 
If Karl is, or has been, offended by anything I've ever said to him I'd gladly apologise. If you don't know that about me, then you know nothing about me.
 
 
This BTW is not the CH.
 
I couldn't agree with you more.
 
Generally speaking, the Coffee House is a friendly, comfortable place to visit. Genuine friendships have been formed, and there is a prevalent atmosphere of camaraderie between members. This has often extended to genuine and sincere threads about distressing incidents in various folks' personal lives - help and advice are always forthcoming and in some cases, such assistance has even engendered the raising of monetary funds to help others. When was the last time anything like that happened up here?
 
If you can't, or rather won't see this, then I actually feel a little sorry for you.
 
 
 
 

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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1? 2011/09/23 14:47:36 (permalink)
jeez louise

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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1? 2011/09/23 14:58:07 (permalink)
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jeez louise

What did louise say?
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1? 2011/09/23 15:12:15 (permalink)
say she said ickety pickety

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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1? 2011/09/23 15:18:04 (permalink)
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Please refrain from that sort of obnoxious posting. The smiley face doesn't negate the intent.
What FBB says about himself is his business. What you say about him is the forums business. I didn't like it. I still don't. It doesn't matter to me what any one else thinks about it. I voice what I think about it. This BTW is not the CH.



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