bitflipper

If his automation looks like neon spaghetti, I'd strongly suggest staying with 8.5.

Why is that, if you don't mind me asking? I work with a lot of automation, and I actually quite like X1's method for working with it over 8.5's.

"Just as long you recognize the trollish crap here is simply some folks who just cannot seem to let it go. They have been wronged in their minds and they will make us remember it as long as they live. Very sad for the rest of us."


This represents a very limited vision fueled with anger and an inability to consider another perspective.

I personally feel that all the good features that we enjoyed in version 8.5, but are missing in X1, will be put back in to the Xseries.

I look forward to the version when the number of visible track available in track view is restored so I can track live while watching all my tracks.

I look forward to the version when I'll be able to use PRV snap to scale with drum maps as easily as I do in version 8.5. It's broken right now.

I look forward to be able to read the entire name of parameters in text boxes as I could in version 8.5.

I look forward to be able to actually change the colors using the color changing selectors within the program. The ones that work in version 8.5 but don't work in X1, even though they are there waiting to be fixed.

I look forward to a lot of things that are going to make the X series usable.



I do not understand the anger and close mindedness that presumes that I must accept the botch job in X1 as if it is the end of the line. It doesn't make sense to me that anyone would suppose that these changes were made... and that no further changes are possible.

The thing I really don't understand is the insults, insinuations and assorted verbal violence that some of you guys seem to foster, embody and display when you disagree with someone.

I try to ignore rude admonitions that I should accept that SONAR will never change again.

SONAR can only get better from where it is at right now... and I should know, because I am SONAR's biggest fanboy!!!

I encourage everyone to buy SONAR X1; Use it or just put in on the shelf.

I encourage every SONAR X1 licensee to start asking Cakewalk to replace all the missing stuff that makes X1 less useful than version 8.5.

good day sir,
mike

 

My gosh, there sure is a lot of fighting on this forum. I guess that's the Internet for ya, plus we're all creative types and probably somewhat sensitive. It's just tough to sift through the personal fighting to mine the gold.

Anyway, there is indeed gold scattered about this thread. Thanks to all the guys who genuinely tried to be helpful. I was certain that the wording of my original question would elicit some very helpful and revealing responses.

I'm going to try X1C later today. I'm positively cringing because I read in a post above that some labels are still cut off. Amateur to the nth degree. There is simply never an excuse for that (and other issues). I'm curious as to whether CW consulted with anyone other than their own software engineers in terms of UI design? Engineers and developers have extremely limited perspective in the ivory tower, or the war room, and input from the men in the trenches is VITAL to a useful and properly designed UI.

The "darling" idea hatched in the minds of cloistered developers is often extremely sound and even ground-breaking, but that "darling" can rapidly turn into a sewn-together Frankenstein monster without input from those who are actually going to be using it. It is a fact of human nature... development of a UI without input from users will invariably yield an awkward, sometimes amazingly brilliant and sometimes appallingly bad UI.

That seems to be the case here. Shear brilliance coexisting with amateurness. One result, of course, is the key users (members of this forum) who have to struggle and strain to adapt to it (psychologically, I mean), all the while carrying an internal grudge which they cannot help and which is justified toward the company. I believe that most of those here who still express frustration have genuinely tried to adapt to it and be forgiving. Others have been able to do that, but from reading all these threads I can understand why the frustration level is so high. I would bet that every one of them yearns to be able to say, "This may not be perfect but it's certainly very good for a redesign". When people spend good money on a product they are highly motivated to justify their purchase and less motivated to complain and condemn.

The expression of that frustration becomes tiring to those of you who have adapted, and understandably so, but I think it's good feedback for the company. If they're smart, they've been saying to themselves, "Oops, we need to change our modus operandi in the future". If not, then the market will eventually deliver a corrective blow as once-loyal customers defect to the companies who display respect to their clientele.

Ok, I'm off to try it out again, and once again I'm going to do my d*mnedest to be open-minded and tolerant of remaining issues. I want to give them a fair shot.

Flame-suit zipped up and in crouch position.

I hope you take this as it's intended, just a friendly comment....it doesn't appear like you have any real enthusiasm to install X1, so hold off a bit.
 
I don't presume to be telling you anything new....often it's better not to make any changes when so many doubts are in the forefront.
 
It's like buying a guitar.......if I'm worrying too much about bad things that could happen after I've buy it (or anything else), I don't buy it. I wait until doubts dwindle and are replaced by enthusiasm. Doubts don't have to be gone, just in their proper place.
 
My own comments are; I've been using X1 and have found it a good investment of time and money.
 
Either install X1, or don't.
 
Best Regards,

" I'd say that he shouldn't worry about stability, that X1 is no buggier than 8.5. "

Bit, Id say thats biased toward those who have little issues using X1. There is another side here ; ).  Id say it depends on what you have and how you set it up. Id tell them that there seems to be just as many with at least a few problems here using X1,  as there are without problems using X1. That I have reverted back to 8.5 and have had alot better luck and fewer issues, but that does not mean you will have problems or issues with X1. It means rolling the dice to find out if it will really work for you (and that is the real problem,  isnt it ) ?

my only problem with x1 is that everything is so much bigger than 8.5.  i liked the smaller buttons and smaller fonts.  i guess there are somepeople that like to do as much as possible on one screen. plus to me smaller looks cleaner sometimes.

but thats really the only thing i dont like. ive had only one crash since istalled it, and it loads the first project really slowly, but when i close it and open another one or the same one again it opens quick, seems like it takes a bit to wake up i guess...