The Maillard Reaction
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1?
2011/09/23 15:21:47
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Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
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Here's a video that outlines quite clearly some of the ways in which X1 is faster and more streamlined in its workflow than 8.5
SONAR X1. Easier To use.
When I watch that video I do my own voice over and the conclusion at the end is that SONAR version 8.5.2 is pretty much the best version of Cakewalk ever. :-) best regards, mike
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1?
2011/09/23 15:27:05
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I daren't post any more....... Honestly John it's all fine with me, it is a standing joke, actively encouraged by me. I don't think it is possible for anyone to offend me, either here or in the 'real' world. I'm so laid back I'm almost horizontal...... Only time I ever get excited or my pulse up is when I'm partaking in my other favourite hobby of ripping round a racetrack as fast as I can on my bike. I'm pretty untalented at that too........ oops.....that slipped out sorry. 
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1?
2011/09/23 15:29:49
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FastBikerBoy
I daren't post any more.......
Honestly John it's all fine with me, it is a standing joke, actively encouraged by me. I don't think it is possible for anyone to offend me, either here or in the 'real' world.
I'm so laid back I'm almost horizontal...... Only time I ever get excited or my pulse up is when I'm partaking in my other favourite hobby of ripping round a racetrack as fast as I can on my bike. I'm pretty untalented at that too........ oops.....that slipped out sorry.
I wont say any more on the matter. Take care FBB.
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1?
2011/09/23 15:44:28
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John
John do you think its OK to call another member untalented? I don't, no matter how it is couched. That is not what the forum is for.
In the coffee house I think it's OK to call FBB untalented. That's his thing. He's the only member I would call untalented because it's a cultural thing. You have to absorbe a bit of the culture. Bapu = Post counts don't matter YourOlpal = A southern gentleman (don't quote me), thoughtful & helpful Beagle = Becan FBB = Untalented Ampfixer = The jury is still out These are all the impressions I've picked up hanging around here a short while and I've never seen the slightest bit of malice between any of the regulars. These are all good folks with their own quirky slant on life. That's why I come here. Do ya get it buddy? If not, stay upstairs.
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1?
2011/09/23 15:54:58
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So what i get from this is that, Those who like X1 would suggest it, and those that do not like it do not! Right? Wow that cleared up a lot of mystery!
Hey FFB, you seem to be very talented at being untalented, or is that untalented at being un talen..... er .. wait, maybe you are showing a lot of talent in the area of untalent?!?!
Never mind, I think i will have another coffee and see if I can calm down!
I was just thinking that pianodano is a funny name! Opps can i say that here?
Darn i think i just did!
New flash, Beagle thinks that bacos are real becan!
Since Bacon is the 9th wonder of the world, has anyone ever had it in a shake?
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1?
2011/09/23 15:57:45
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ampfixer
John
John do you think its OK to call another member untalented? I don't, no matter how it is couched. That is not what the forum is for.
In the coffee house I think it's OK to call FBB untalented. That's his thing. He's the only member I would call untalented because it's a cultural thing. You have to absorbe a bit of the culture.
Bapu = Post counts don't matter
YourOlpal = A southern gentleman (don't quote me), thoughtful & helpful
Beagle = Becan
FBB = Untalented
Ampfixer = The jury is still out
These are all the impressions I've picked up hanging around here a short while and I've never seen the slightest bit of malice between any of the regulars. These are all good folks with their own quirky slant on life. That's why I come here.
Do ya get it buddy? If not, stay upstairs.
The regulars? I should stay upstairs? I have been in the CH before it was closed in the past and I was there when it first opened again. I was one of the very first posters there. I did not engaged in the threads that caused the original to be closed and I have not gotten involved in the new CH threads that I find a little silly. I do go there from time to time to see whats going on. I do post there but not that often. No one is restricted from any forum on this web site as long as they stay within the TOS. No one has a right to make anyone that is posting within the rules unwelcome anywhere.
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1?
2011/09/23 15:59:47
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It's a shame that seems to happen more often than not.
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1?
2011/09/23 16:05:27
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Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
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It's a shame that seems to happen more often than not.
Its our fault too. We, the forum members, are to blame if we stand by and let bad things occur. We should not tolerate name calling. We should be as respectful to one another as we would be in person.
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1?
2011/09/23 16:06:24
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"It's a shame that seems to happen more often than not."
+1 edited for bapsi
post edited by mike_mccue - 2011/09/23 16:19:16
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1?
2011/09/23 16:06:59
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Since Bacon is the 9th wonder of the world, has anyone ever had it in a shake? Nope, never had a bacon shake... but I've had Shake 'n' Bake. Does that count?
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1?
2011/09/23 16:09:20
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Was it chicken or pork chops?
It might count.
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1?
2011/09/23 16:11:52
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Was it chicken or pork chops? It might count. Good point. It was chicken, so I guess not. 
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1?
2011/09/23 16:12:10
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mike_mccue
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For what? Staying on 8.5.3? Moving to X1? FBB is Untalented? You'll never call Bapu names again? (note: just nod towards me, I'll get the drift).
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1?
2011/09/23 16:14:58
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If we should never call people by their names how will we know when were being ignored?
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1?
2011/09/23 16:15:25
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John
No one is restricted from any forum on this web site as long as they stay within the TOS.
AYKM?! There is no TOS John. Come on ... there's a certain group of people here who say and do what they want with no repercussion at all. You're going off over someone repeating what FBB has in his signature, but a forum member tells another they, "hope they die in a fire.", while you were contributing to the thread it was said in, and you don't say a word about it? GMAFB. No one has a right to make anyone that is posting within the rules unwelcome anywhere.
This is all so laughable you just can't be serious. You just can't be man? I'm sorry John, I have to block you again, at least for a little while, if I am going to continue to come here, which honestly, I really don't want to. It's just out of force of habit, boredom, and sheer morbid curiosity that I keep coming back. The things that come out of your mouth are astoundingly ludicrous and hypocritical. Blocked. Done. Bye.
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1?
2011/09/23 16:21:03
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Bub
John
No one is restricted from any forum on this web site as long as they stay within the TOS.
AYKM?! There is no TOS John. Come on ... there's a certain group of people here who say and do what they want with no repercussion at all. You're going off over someone repeating what FBB has in his signature, but a forum member tells another they, "hope they die in a fire.", while you were contributing to the thread it was said in, and you don't say a word about it? GMAFB.
No one has a right to make anyone that is posting within the rules unwelcome anywhere.
This is all so laughable you just can't be serious. You just can't be man?
I'm sorry John, I have to block you again, at least for a little while, if I am going to continue to come here, which honestly, I really don't want to. It's just out of force of habit, boredom, and sheer morbid curiosity that I keep coming back. The things that come out of your mouth are astoundingly ludicrous and hypocritical.
Blocked. Done. Bye.
You're right. I will try to be fairer from now on. But I am human and am subject to all the foibles that all humans are subject to. That is no excuse but it is an explanation. You wont see this but maybe others will and maybe it may do some good. Sorry you are so upset.
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1?
2011/09/23 16:34:42
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John
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John
John do you think its OK to call another member untalented? I don't, no matter how it is couched. That is not what the forum is for.
In the coffee house I think it's OK to call FBB untalented. That's his thing. He's the only member I would call untalented because it's a cultural thing. You have to absorbe a bit of the culture.
Bapu = Post counts don't matter
YourOlpal = A southern gentleman (don't quote me), thoughtful & helpful
Beagle = Becan
FBB = Untalented
Ampfixer = The jury is still out
These are all the impressions I've picked up hanging around here a short while and I've never seen the slightest bit of malice between any of the regulars. These are all good folks with their own quirky slant on life. That's why I come here.
Do ya get it buddy? If not, stay upstairs.
The regulars? I should stay upstairs? I have been in the CH before it was closed in the past and I was there when it first opened again. I was one of the very first posters there. I did not engaged in the threads that caused the original to be closed and I have not gotten involved in the new CH threads that I find a little silly. I do go there from time to time to see whats going on. I do post there but not that often.
No one is restricted from any forum on this web site as long as they stay within the TOS.
No one has a right to make anyone that is posting within the rules unwelcome anywhere.
Well at 20k posts I never though you were a newbie. I am a newbie and I have been 'm trying to find my way around the forums. I like the CH crowd and although I'm new they never make me feel uncomfortable. You on the other hand do intimidate me. For an elder statesman you don't seem to be much of a leader and not very friendly. As for the OP question I'd say you should update to X1 because you're running orphan ware. Even X1 users have been sent to the back of the buss while Xpanded is rolled out. There is no defined time line for any more X1 improvement patches. So maybe waiting for whatever X1 becomes is the smart idea. Expensive but maybe better.
Regards, John I want to make it clear that I am an Eedjit. I have no direct, or indirect, knowledge of business, the music industry, forum threads or the meaning of life. I know about amps. WIN 10 Pro X64, I7-3770k 16 gigs, ASUS Z77 pro, AMD 7950 3 gig, Steinberg UR44, A-Pro 500, Sonar Platinum, KRK Rokit 6
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1?
2011/09/23 16:42:02
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Well at 20k posts I never though you were a newbie. I am a newbie and I have been 'm trying to find my way around the forums. I like the CH crowd and although I'm new they never make me feel uncomfortable. You on the other hand do intimidate me. For an elder statesman you don't seem to be much of a leader and not very friendly. I don't ever intend anyone to feel unwelcome. If I come off that way I am sorry. I try to keep my verbiage low. That can be seen as undiplomatic or brusk. It is never meant to be seen as anything other then simple communication. I don't consider you as new. But if I have addressed you in a brusk way let me know.
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1?
2011/09/23 16:47:37
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Robomusic
I was just thinking that pianodano is a funny name! Opps can i say that here?
Darn i think i just did!
You rang ??
Oh, sure you can say that. I'll answer to most anything, usually.
Crap. I hate this forum software. Another screwed up quote.
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1?
2011/09/23 18:03:07
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John
Well at 20k posts I never though you were a newbie. I am a newbie and I have been 'm trying to find my way around the forums. I like the CH crowd and although I'm new they never make me feel uncomfortable. You on the other hand do intimidate me. For an elder statesman you don't seem to be much of a leader and not very friendly.
I don't ever intend anyone to feel unwelcome. If I come off that way I am sorry.
I try to keep my verbiage low. That can be seen as undiplomatic or brusk. It is never meant to be seen as anything other then simple communication. I don't consider you as new. But if I have addressed you in a brusk way let me know.
No worries. This forum at its worst can't hold a candle to alt.guitar.amps in the usenet forums. THAT is a hostile place i had to vacate because it got so far over the top. I'm talking death threats. Since it's not moderated anything goes. As i said, I'm the newbie and just trying to find my way. You just aren't as easy to read (understand) as some. Have a great weekend. 
Regards, John I want to make it clear that I am an Eedjit. I have no direct, or indirect, knowledge of business, the music industry, forum threads or the meaning of life. I know about amps. WIN 10 Pro X64, I7-3770k 16 gigs, ASUS Z77 pro, AMD 7950 3 gig, Steinberg UR44, A-Pro 500, Sonar Platinum, KRK Rokit 6
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1?
2011/09/23 18:21:57
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John
Well at 20k posts I never though you were a newbie. I am a newbie and I have been 'm trying to find my way around the forums. I like the CH crowd and although I'm new they never make me feel uncomfortable. You on the other hand do intimidate me. For an elder statesman you don't seem to be much of a leader and not very friendly. I don't ever intend anyone to feel unwelcome. If I come off that way I am sorry.
I try to keep my verbiage low. That can be seen as undiplomatic or brusk. It is never meant to be seen as anything other then simple communication. I don't consider you as new. But if I have addressed you in a brusk way let me know.
No worries. This forum at its worst can't hold a candle to alt.guitar.amps in the usenet forums. THAT is a hostile place i had to vacate because it got so far over the top. I'm talking death threats. Since it's not moderated anything goes.
As i said, I'm the newbie and just trying to find my way. You just aren't as easy to read (understand) as some.
Have a great weekend.
John, great name BTW, You too have a great weekend. I have heard about lots of forums that get way out of hand. Here for the most part its a helpful place. All are welcome to post and share their knowledge with the rest of us. I may not be as easy to figure out as some which I think is a good thing. I don't want to be categorized. I like to think I am a little complex. None the less I don't want anyone to feel intimidated or not welcome to post. I do like a good argument because it offers an exchange of ideas. I don't like it when that doesn't happen and personal attacks occur. This place is for learning and I still have a lot to learn. Edit: You mention 20k + posts. The vast majority of those posts are in answer to Sonar questions. I estimate at least 80 % are of that nature. I am proud of that. I am not proud when I find myself in a needless argument.
post edited by John - 2011/09/23 18:34:07
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1?
2011/09/23 19:55:10
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If you are an optomist and you look for the best in things then get it now. If you are a pessimist and look for something wrong with everything then stay away.
It is a good program and it represents where the future is going. IMO, you should get on the wagon ASAP.
This reminds me of when I switched from lined bi-focals to progressives with no lines. I knew some people who said they SUQ and they took them back. I made up my mind that I was going to like them befor I got them. They were different at first but I quickly adapted and they are really better... so if you aren't of a mind to see what's wrong with it... get it and move along, it only gets better.
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1?
2011/09/23 20:26:39
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munmun
bottom line- ease of use
It's depends on how used you are with CW products. I've been a user since their 1st version so for me I find the X1 confusing at the moment because I still have the "old shortcuts" in me so I am wasting time re-learning where things are. As an example it took me 30 minutes to figure out how, in the staff view, to move a note from one string to another in the TAB as it works slightly differently than before. But see, our bass player, who has just bought X1 (and it is his first audio software) and he doesn't feel uncomfortable with it....it makes sense since he has nothing else to compare it with. From my part I did the upgrade just because, not because I needed it, and I am slowly getting more comfortable with it....except for the boring color palette....:) If you are tempted but don't have the money....wait. My 2 cents
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1?
2011/09/23 20:45:17
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Compguy
OP here.
Now that the thread has degenerated into flames I figured I'd check in.
Thanks to all for the useful input. I actually have X1 and have installed it three times and tried to get used to it and like it. I mean I have genuinely tried to be flexible and go with the flow, but something about it gives me a vague feeling of discomfort. It's like the overall feel of it makes me uncomfortable.
The one thing I have been able to define is that, like others here, I can't fit as many tracks on the screen at once. There does seem to be a lot of wasted screen space compared to 8.5. Other things (all of them have been mentioned) make it feel clunky and inefficient. Almost as if it's a combination of newly-introduced inefficiencies combined with newly-introduced efficiencies.
8.5, on the other hand, feels very "organic" and yet professional. I am wondering if it is a good idea to record in 8.5 and then mix and master in X1. Do any of you do that?
Well, I'm about to visit X1C land and try again. I will give it my best effort to be cooperative and forgiving, hoping that I'll finally say, "Ahh.. Now I get it."
It just comes down to if you like it or not-simple. I do and many others do. Some don't. That's it. Just as long you recognize the trollish crap here is simply some folks who just cannot seem to let it go. They have been wronged in their minds and they will make us remember it as long as they live. Very sad for the rest of us. So see how you feel at the end of the day and decide for yourself. As stated already
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1?
2011/09/23 21:56:16
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I've been thinking that I need a nickname, too. Mr. Untalented is already taken, but perhaps you guys could help me come up with a similarly cool-but-self-deprecating nickname.
Some ideas:
Mr. Low Energy
Mr. Unambitious
Mr. Torpidity
Mr. Insouciance
Mr. Lethargy
Mr. That Last Take Was Good Enough Dammit, It's a Frickin' SHAKER!
 All else is in doubt, so this is the truth I cling to. My Stuff
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1?
2011/09/23 21:59:02
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Sonar makes a DAW? Hmmm gotta try it out!
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1?
2011/09/23 22:01:53
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How 'bout
Mr. I got MGM grand in my backpack
Or
Mr whatever i say is right
or
Mr. everything i say goes over Robs head!
Finally
Mr. 5 times the size of the Statue of Liberty
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1?
2011/09/23 22:05:15
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bitflipper
I've been thinking that I need a nickname, too. Mr. Untalented is already taken, but perhaps you guys could help me come up with a similarly cool-but-self-deprecating nickname.
Some ideas:
Mr. Low Energy
Mr. Unambitious
Mr. Torpidity
Mr. Insouciance
Mr. Lethargy
Mr. That Last Take Was Good Enough Dammit, It's a Frickin' SHAKER!
What about: Lazy Untalented Guitar Slinging Neanderthal? Kinda catchy... maybe I'll use that one!
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1?
2011/09/23 22:15:21
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No.I've been called a neanderthal by a few people already.
The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate. Bushpianos
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Re:Bottom Line It - Why should an 8.5 user switch to X1?
2011/09/23 23:41:24
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bitflipper
I've been thinking that I need a nickname, too. Mr. Untalented is already taken, but perhaps you guys could help me come up with a similarly cool-but-self-deprecating nickname.
Some ideas:
Mr. Low Energy
Mr. Unambitious
Mr. Torpidity
Mr. Insouciance
Mr. Lethargy
Mr. That Last Take Was Good Enough Dammit, It's a Frickin' SHAKER!
I think you should be known as "The Brain". I mean who else downloads AES technical papers to read on the throne.
Regards, John I want to make it clear that I am an Eedjit. I have no direct, or indirect, knowledge of business, the music industry, forum threads or the meaning of life. I know about amps. WIN 10 Pro X64, I7-3770k 16 gigs, ASUS Z77 pro, AMD 7950 3 gig, Steinberg UR44, A-Pro 500, Sonar Platinum, KRK Rokit 6
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