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Re: Braintree update. A little messy don't you think?
2015/02/28 15:13:49
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☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2015/03/01 07:51:28
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I agree also, the Barking Dog plug is FREE at Boz Labs and while it's nice to have in a ProChannel, seems like sticking a freebie in there is a bit underwhelming.
But it's just one element out of 12. What would be the reason NOT to include a ProChannel version if it's available?
Frankly, I think the VocalSync, DSD, and Mix Recall updates, along with 27 fixes would have been a reasonable update, given that it occurred within weeks after a major release and only cost you $12.50. But you got a whole lot of other stuff, too, and I guarantee a lot of people will find at least some of it, if not most of it, very useful. The IR responses alone give a lot of life to electronic instruments by wrapping a room around them.
Craig...you DON"T have to defend the wonderful other additions in the update. We're all on the same side, believe it or not. However, there is just waaaay too much confusion on this latest update, especially for those that aren't so deep into the CCC and the various nuances of updating Sonar, that it is just off-putting. In ALL honesty, I'd love to just pop open the new update, play with all your new contributions, etc etc... but I'm not about to join the rank of people having problems with just a simple update. The current system is too "new" and Cake needs to plow thru these initial growing pains and get things happening. There is NO dispute among MOST people that Cake has fine offerings, the update has fine stuff, etc etc. The CCC just sucks, for lack of more polite words. I'm not a computer newbie...nor a geek, but to have an uneasy feeling about updating with WAY TOO MANY questions about things, isn't consistent with a program of this caliber. And....ONE question is:... how long do I have to update to the Braintree update, before the next one comes out and the "member perks" freebie stuff is then gone?? Personally, I'm going to risk not getting bass loops and even your stuff, until I feel the time is *right* to update. REMEMBER, the update is free for me...but I'm not comfortable with it at this point. Others more informed about things than me, have brought up some very valid issues and points. REMEMBER< we're ALL on the same team. But make us WANT to quickly update ASAP WITHOUT a forum full of legit questions and concerns.
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Re: Braintree update. A little messy don't you think?
2015/02/28 15:20:00
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Did I really have to get the tutorials again just to get the help files?
Did I really have to get all the DP samples again?
I think there need to be more division.
And: the actual size of the files should be displayed, not just the 100th of a percent progress.
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Re: Braintree update. A little messy don't you think?
2015/02/28 15:20:50
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☄ Helpfulby Larry Jones 2015/03/01 12:09:17
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I definitely understand what you're saying, but I don't think it's going to be as worst-case as you fear.
Then you have not been reading my posts completely. The worst-case is here now but for the fact I do not trust others to take care of my software, I would not be able to perform complete installs now. Several products are missing from my product list. They were in the new product list at one time but have been deleted in subsequent reorganizations. Prior to the last reorg, I apparently wasted a lot of time communicated via feedback reports and emails to support getting the list almost complete. Now were are told to collect content installed somewhere on our PC and make sure we have a copy for future reference. Anderton
A significant conceptual change is that Cakewalk is now becoming a content provider, and merging that aspect with SONAR. Content was never a big part of Cakewalk's gestalt; the same loops have been in there since the dawn of time.
Yes Cakewalk has bundled the same old loops for far too long but no, the Content Club was introduced with X2. Without notice, that content too is no longer maintained in my account. Anderton
In the case of Brian's loops, they were created as a commercial product (by an artist with various contracts and encumbrances regarding his work) to be sold like any other loop library. Fortunately, because he's a SONAR user he was kind enough to let members have them for free, AND convince his business manager it was a cool thing to do, but the caveat was one month only. Piracy for commercially available loop libraries is bad enough without having one available for free in perpetuity. Cakewalk could have said "No, we don't want to give people your loops for free for a month, people will complain they're not a permanent part of the installer and that will look bad." But for better or for worse, they made the loops available. (The only reason the Steinberger Rapture pack is also one month only is because it uses the chromatic samples from the loop library.)
So out of fear of piracy, legitimate owners of the product acquired by membership are not due a zip file or installer for the content beyond one month. But another class of owners of the product (.i.e. those who pay an additional fee) are? I guess membership does have it's privileges but I never thought of it as a negative thing before this. Anderton
All the official statements from Cakewalk indicate they're going to be pretty liberal about what will be part of the program as opposed to exclusive to one particular release. The reality is that this kind of content simply would not have been in SONAR before, so the company has no experience yet with how best to deal with it.
I believe your issue is concern about the addition, or re-installation, of this content being handled in an inelegant or "user-hostile" manner going forward. However, this is the first membership release and only a little more than a month after a major release. Cakewalk pays attention to these forums and I would be extremely surprised if course corrections weren't made over time to take care of issues that weren't thought out well enough beforehand. But that's the advantage of this system. Changes that respond to user feedback can happen relatively quickly; the bug fix list is a good example.
I can only go by how poorly my account has been handled so far and the "suck it up, make back ups and trust us" response is a little unsatisfying. Not sure why I bothered to write any of this, I don't trust others to manage my software assets and this is proving to be a good idea.
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Re: Braintree update. A little messy don't you think?
2015/02/28 15:25:33
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☄ Helpfulby tlw 2015/02/28 20:31:33
I use Sonar nearly daily but I'm a part time studio hack and part time musician. I frequent these forums and tend to think I have a decent handle on what's going on with these things. Yet I'm baffled by the C3. First of all, it seems I need to reinstall everything I already had from X2 and X3 because the C3 doesn't recognize any of it. Now there are updates where I need to manually put stuff in a folder. There's "content" that probably consists of a bunch of loops I'll never use. I can't even easily see what the rest of the updates are about, C3 just shows there is "an update". What if I skip this one and wait for the next one, how do I see what's new then? And they want to make this a "frequent" thing?
I love working with Sonar and I'm comfortable around Windows. I honestly just don't have the time to spend several hours a month updating the program.
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Re: Braintree update. A little messy don't you think?
2015/02/28 15:28:39
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☄ Helpfulby sylent 2015/02/28 20:20:29
I totally agree that it's a bit of a mess at this point (as I hope was obvious when I was asking in the thread about managing the new VSTs - if any - that come each time). But hopefully they'll learn from this first deployment. mudgel
Just from this release it seems we have 2 widely disparate groups.
One group seem to be made up of power users who don't want to be forced to install where Cakewalk insist and want full control. The other group prefers to have everything automatic.
To be honest I think I'm in both camps, if I understand you correctly I want to be able to tell it where to install things, but I also think everything should be handled automatically past that point. (eg. The idea that these updates include limited-time data that we have to manually back up is a bit ridiculous, in my opinion.) For the most part Sonar does a better job with the file locations these days than ever before, but it's still a mystery (until you learn it in each case) as to whether any file ends up in: - C:\Program Files\Cakewalk (Studio Instruments drop their multisamples here)
- C:\Program Files (x86)\Cakewalk (Studio Instruments have a copy of their multisamples here too - it's fine to install the executables in both the x86 and the 64 bit areas, but the data too?)
- C:\ProgramData\Cakewalk (Cakewalk supplied but user editable data is here, like drum maps, but also a bunch of synth presets seem to live here, eg. for Dimension Pro)
- C:\Cakewalk Content (this is 75% loops, but also contains the sort of thing you might have expected in C:\ProgramData\Cakewalk, such as track and project templates)
- C:\Users\[your username here]\AppData\Roaming\Cakewalk (local settings, plus some more Cakewalk supplied editable stuff like drum maps - no idea how this relates to the stuff in C:\ProgramData\Cakewalk - maybe that is just a 'backup', copied for each user?)
- C:\VSTPlugins\Sonar (or whatever your VST directories are) (some stuff likes to drop its static data in here, like RXP, Session Drummer, and Perfect Space)
So if you're like me and have migrated certain things to a different location (eg. my Cakewalk Content is actually on D: as that is a large drive, bought specifically to hold samples etc) then you will find that a lot of stuff will simply not end up there. And important edited data like drum maps, templates, and menu layouts are scattered around somewhat and tricky to back up. I'd love to see this all simplified, documented, and editable from within CCC.
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Re: Braintree update. A little messy don't you think?
2015/02/28 15:33:29
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I mentioned the price in reference to the concept having value as something other than a "floor sweeping" or "special effect" with limited use.
Does it matter if there is another plug-in with $150 price tag. Even Boz Digital is gaining a reputation for overly inflated retail prices. Free seems to set the value of the product for me.
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Re: Braintree update. A little messy don't you think?
2015/02/28 15:34:46
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First-BRAVO to the Bakers for the updates (including loops that I don't use[YET])
Some background
I'm a long time user with samples placed on a separate drive(s) (DimPro for example).
I didn't realize that some content was a one time only update not to be included in new updates
I use lots of Garritan/NI etc instruments and tons of effects .
I'm well passed retirement age (and into many "senior moments") and am constantly amazed and appreciative of all the technology available to me.
All I need from the update process is clarity on installs/locations and what needs to be backed up.
While it would be nice for CCC to allow me to put samples in specific locations and/or protect one time only loops all I really need is INFORMATION. Just tell me-I'll figure it out.
Anyway, a big Thank You to Cakewalk for a wonderful, useful and for me quite stable product.
p.s.I live 30 miles north of Boston and you have to see the streets to appreciate what this winter has done to the area.
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Re: Braintree update. A little messy don't you think?
2015/02/28 15:46:40
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I can only go by how poorly my account has been handled so far and the "suck it up, make back ups and trust us" response is a little unsatisfying. Not sure why I bothered to write any of this, I don't trust others to manage my software assets and this is proving to be a good idea.
Well overall, your concerns don't really intersect with my world except for Brian's loops. It will take Cakewalk to respond to the specifics. For example I have no idea why content club stuff isn't included in a store account, whether it was intended to be included in a store account, etc. And FWIW I don't do online banking, and avoid cloud storage unless it's to transfer files  scook
So out of fear of piracy, legitimate owners of the product acquired by membership are not due a zip file or installer for the content beyond one month. I guess I wasn't clear. There's no cause and effect between piracy and whether or not people who legitimately own the loops are due a zip file. The cause and effect is between piracy and having the loops being a part of the installer in perpetuity rather than for a limited time. I'm sure Brian doesn't care at all whether his loops are installed as part of the command center or as a zip file, or placed in your store account if you were a member when the loops came out. That's a Cakewalk issue, not a me or Brian issue. But it shouldn't be assumed that the way things are less than 24 hours after the release is always the way it's going to be. It's entirely possible that upon the release of the commercial library, Cakewalk would add a download for it in the account of those who were members for this update. Or whatever. Clearly there are some things that need to be ironed out, but I think that's to be expected when you have this kind of major change. But another class of owners of the product (.i.e. those who pay an additional fee) are? I guess membership does have it's privileges but I never thought of it as a negative thing before this. I would think members would consider it a plus to get loops without having to pay $19.95, but maybe having a zip file instead of copying the folder to a CD-ROM outweighs that advantage. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I presume your ideal scenario would be to have the loops show up in your store account as a separate item so you could download them at any time in the future, but failing that, an alternative would be to have a CCC button or that selected among "Just install the thing," "Don't install the thing," "Let me download a zip file and I'll figure out where to put it," and "Just install the thing but also download a zip file so I can back it up." Yes?
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Re: Braintree update. A little messy don't you think?
2015/02/28 15:49:08
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I mentioned the price in reference to the concept having value as something other than a "floor sweeping" or "special effect" with limited use.
Does it matter if there is another plug-in with $150 price tag. Even Boz Digital is gaining a reputation for overly inflated retail prices. Free seems to set the value of the product for me.
Then you got value received, and eleven other items too. My point is I've used it and found it useful. I will continue to use it in the future. If other people feel the same way, they will be happy there's a ProChannel version, find it "meaningful," and would see no reason NOT to include it. If they don't want to use it, they don't have to and won't care whether or not there is a ProChannel version. Same with the loops. Some people won't use them, some will. Some people work with DSD, some don't and couldn't care less that there are now four decimation filter options for export. Some do orchestral work and will never use VocalSync, others will use it every day. The idea of the release is to try and include something for everybody, but hopefully, lots of things that most people would find useful.
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Re: Braintree update. A little messy don't you think?
2015/02/28 15:54:45
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(eg. The idea that these updates include limited-time data that we have to manually back up is a bit ridiculous, in my opinion.)
I don't think anything is set in stone. AFAIK the commercially available version with the equivalent of a store's SKU isn't out yet. I don't think it's possible to put something in a user's account without having a product available to put in the account but again, I don't know the mechanics of the store. I mentioned the backup thing to allay concerns about having the material become unavailable, it's not a policy statement.
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Re: Braintree update. A little messy don't you think?
2015/02/28 15:58:40
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Scook, I feel you on this.
I get panicky when I want to install an update and I'm afraid I'll lose all my custom stuff. It is a worry. And there is so much, you might not notice something is gone until you've got someone over and you want to demo a sound or technique and now you find it missing.
It would help if Cakewalk would help us make sure we always have the stuff we've been given or purchased. Like remember those old sounds we got one halloween? Or some random Amp Sim programs? So easy to misplace all that stuff.
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Braintree update. A little messy don't you think?
2015/02/28 16:01:27
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I think the time to get upset about this is if Cakewalk doesn't do anything about it. I never got the vibe that the whole point of the membership was "take it or leave it, we're not changing a thing." Give 'em more than 24 hours to collect the concerns and figure out answers. Maybe even give 'em a week.
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Re: Braintree update. A little messy don't you think?
2015/02/28 16:11:01
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I presume your ideal scenario would be to have the loops show up in your store account as a separate item so you could download them at any time in the future, but failing that, an alternative would be to have a CCC button or that selected among "Just install the thing," "Don't install the thing," "Let me download a zip file and I'll figure out where to put it," and "Just install the thing but also download a zip file so I can back it up." Yes?
Actually, I was really expecting things to be that clear and easy with the new CC. I know you've probably got a bit of sarcasm (or not?) in that statement, but at this point, I'd pay another $50 to my membership if things were that clear cut. I think a lot of members would also like to see things that conveniently presented. It's almost baffling why it isn't, given the high caliber product and company we're talking about. I'm going to hang in there. I have NO desire to abandon ship and can only give opinions at this point. Trying NOT to be a whiner...
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Re: Braintree update. A little messy don't you think?
2015/02/28 16:31:17
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I presume your ideal scenario would be to have the loops show up in your store account as a separate item so you could download them at any time in the future, but failing that, an alternative would be to have a CCC button or that selected among "Just install the thing," "Don't install the thing," "Let me download a zip file and I'll figure out where to put it," and "Just install the thing but also download a zip file so I can back it up." Yes?
Actually, I was really expecting things to be that clear and easy with the new CC. I know you've probably got a bit of sarcasm (or not?) in that statement.
Actually not, I was trying to encapsulate all the possible scenarios that have been mentioned by various people. Personally, I think the easiest solution for limited-time material is: 1. Only for-sale items are time-limited. 2. Also sell them in the store in addition to making them available as part of membership. 3. Put the store items in the accounts of members entitled to the time-limited thingie. Am I missing anything? It's fine to complain about stuff to draw attention to a problem, but coming up with solutions will make implementation more likely. Seems to me the above is a solution that wouldn't be hard to do, but maybe I'm missing something.
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Re: Braintree update. A little messy don't you think?
2015/02/28 17:07:38
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☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2015/03/01 08:00:58
Many good points raised here on all sides...
I for one find the unavailability of full repeated downloads from my account a big step backwards... Right now my web access is very limited and I'm having trouble diwnload inc the Braintree update... And afraid to apply it when I do get it as others are having trouble running sonar after applying it.. Of most note to me is the notice that many of them are (as I), switched from monthly to yearly...
Even this isn't showing right... My about box says nothing in the area of owner status... An empty field. No warning of monthly end (my bill would have been applied today if I hadn't cancelled it) and no claim of owned...
Mixed with trouble downloading... Help bundled with tutorials, AD2 still not able to install... It's been a rather frustrating experience...
...as to the hardgove stuff? I can understand naming it only available for a month, but it should remain available to anyone who was properly authorized to get it during that month...
I don't use loop libraries myself, but the rapture additions are of interest... And for those who do use loops, if they paid for the month it was available, it should remain available to them!
Keni
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Re: Braintree update. A little messy don't you think?
2015/02/28 17:18:53
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Am I missing anything?
No... I think those are very good suggestions. I think whatever can be done to totally simplify things and make it as clear as possible, especially at this point, ought to be a [primary] goal for Cakewalk. I mean, Gibson ought to know, we're dealing not only with musicians..but a lot of them are guitar players....
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Re: Braintree update. A little messy don't you think?
2015/02/28 17:18:55
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Update: Noel just said in another thread that he thinks the content to which you're entitled will stay in your installer. But if you join after the content is no longer available, you won't get it. So it doesn't seem like an issue after all.
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Re: Braintree update. A little messy don't you think?
2015/02/28 17:21:47
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The fact that you, Craig are posting like a madman, Noel's presence... is very positive. Just another round of thanks...from the dim bulbs wondering about the CCC. A good nights sleep this weekend would be nice, with the fuzzy feeling my Sonar is safe and sound.
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Re: Braintree update. A little messy don't you think?
2015/02/28 17:39:20
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Well overall, your concerns don't really intersect with my world except for Brian's loops. It will take Cakewalk to respond to the specifics. For example I have no idea why content club stuff isn't included in a store account, whether it was intended to be included in a store account, etc.
And FWIW I don't do online banking, and avoid cloud storage unless it's to transfer files
In this case my concerns do not intersect with yours at all. I am expressing concerns as a customer about the ability to access product. It has nothing do to with banking, cloud storage, aliens or hovercraft. It is about Cakewalk and how they deliver product and if they intend to allow access in the future to those products. Anderton
But it shouldn't be assumed that the way things are less than 24 hours after the release is always the way it's going to be. It's entirely possible that upon the release of the commercial library, Cakewalk would add a download for it in the account of those who were members for this update. Or whatever. Clearly there are some things that need to be ironed out, but I think that's to be expected when you have this kind of major change.
One can hope the future will be better but the recent past and present cast a lot of doubt. Today, I cannot recreate previous installations in full based on my store account. As it stands after next months updates, it sounds like I will be unable to recreate Platinum in full from next months installers. Anderton
I would think members would consider it a plus to get loops without having to pay $19.95, but maybe having a zip file instead of copying the folder to a CD-ROM outweighs that advantage. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I presume your ideal scenario would be to have the loops show up in your store account as a separate item so you could download them at any time in the future, but failing that, an alternative would be to have a CCC button or that selected among "Just install the thing," "Don't install the thing," "Let me download a zip file and I'll figure out where to put it," and "Just install the thing but also download a zip file so I can back it up." Yes?
If, as part of a membership, I receive a product, I expect to be treated the same as someone who purchases the product. If the product is packaged and sold as a download from the Cakewalk store, I would expect the same product in my account. If we are receiving light versions or demo product that should be spelled out. I would still expect some way to download and install the product at some future date without having to hunt down the product after the initial install and create my own installer. IOW be provided a method of installation that I can archive. Having archived installers is the only reason my current account disaster is not a catastrophe. WRT C3, I was fully capable of installing product before C3. I believe there are a few awaiting the improved C3v2 but that is a different discussion, my concern is about product availability not C3. Edit: the above was written before this post Anderton
Update: Noel just said in another thread that he thinks the content to which you're entitled will stay in your installer. But if you join after the content is no longer available, you won't get it. So it doesn't seem like an issue after all.
I am cautiously optimistic but only as long as these installers manage to stay in my account
post edited by scook - 2015/02/28 17:58:51
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Re: Braintree update. A little messy don't you think?
2015/02/28 18:23:33
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I'm not sure what gave you the impression that you would not be able to access content that you own.
Any "connected" products should always be accessible via Command Center in the future as well. If the product was only offered as part of a monthly update to members then going forward you should continue to see that installer in your account because you will still have access to it. New members who start later wont see it.
The file wont be deleted so it will still live on our servers.
Now how this will be presented to customers via C3 when you have 100 products from the past I'm not sure - that stuff isn't baked yet in C3. I imagine there will be some way to hide/archive updates that are older than a certain point or perhaps even move those to the account page if its too much clutter.
Either way I don't think this is cause for concern. Cakewalk isn't going to take away something you rightfully own as part of your membership.
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Re: Braintree update. A little messy don't you think?
2015/02/28 18:29:56
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Sometimes posts like this are not very clear http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3182007. There were also comments made in this thread which cast doubt on how additional content will be packaged. Combine that will yet more product missing in my account and there is cause for concern. I have already spent quite a bit of time working with Cakewalk trying to get my store account correct and just lost more ground last month.
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Re: Braintree update. A little messy don't you think?
2015/02/28 18:39:36
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Well overall, your concerns don't really intersect with my world except for Brian's loops. It will take Cakewalk to respond to the specifics. For example I have no idea why content club stuff isn't included in a store account, whether it was intended to be included in a store account, etc.
And FWIW I don't do online banking, and avoid cloud storage unless it's to transfer files
In this case my concerns do not intersect with yours at all. I am expressing concerns as a customer about the ability to access product. It has nothing do to with banking, cloud storage, aliens or hovercraft. It is about Cakewalk and how they deliver product and if they intend to allow access in the future to those products. The banking and cloud storage comments were alluding to what you said about not trusting others to manage your software. What I said about intersecting with my world doesn't minimize your comments or indicate they're unimportant, just that they have nothing to do with my relationship to Cakewalk. So I don't have answers because the answers would not be part of my world. That's why I said it would take Cakewalk to respond to your specifics.
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Re: Braintree update. A little messy don't you think?
2015/02/28 18:44:16
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So then, I'll be waiting a week or so before getting this. Will any problems be fixed? I just scanned the first page of this thread, enough to know I want to wait... but not too long. How long will it be available. If I have Platinum Producer will it be available for me from now on?
Thanks... nervous.
J
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Re: Braintree update. A little messy don't you think?
2015/02/28 18:46:07
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Sometimes posts like this are not very clear http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3182007.
Well to be fair to Andrew, he was responding to a question from someone who specified "As in if I am not currently a member I will not get those things after this month (or whenever those goodies are yanked)? Or to put it another way are the Braintree items NOT included in cumulative updates?" Like Andrew, I too thought the person was talking about cumulative updates for those who become members in the future. If that's the case, Andrew's answer was pretty specific.
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Re: Braintree update. A little messy don't you think?
2015/02/28 18:48:48
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So then, I'll be waiting a week or so before getting this. Will any problems be fixed? I just scanned the first page of this thread, enough to know I want to wait...
Set a system restore point, and go for the update. Unless you have a lot of non-standard file locations and such (other than VST plug-in paths, which you can set), I doubt you'll run into problems. If you do, go back to the system restore point, or roll back from the CCC.
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Re: Braintree update. A little messy don't you think?
2015/02/28 18:57:42
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Thanks Craig. You promise you wont break my computer?  LOL. J
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Re: Braintree update. A little messy don't you think?
2015/02/28 18:58:19
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I have a few points that echo or confirm other sentiments above.
1. The Braintree release is much appreciated. Excellent work by the bakers and Craig to provide this. I'm using it and like it. Even Bark of Dog, a free VST, is a luxury to have in the ProChannel. Excellent release!
2. I can't use Command Center. It totally lacks custom install capabilities so I can't use it and refuse it outright. Because I can't use it I can't comment whether it is good or bad. I can say it is absolutely unusable for me.
3. I can download the installers from My Account / Connected products. Hooray! Ultimately I did get the right pieces for the Braintree release and all works splendidly. However, there was absolutely no info on what to install for this release. It was and is far too confusing for the mere mortal. Not smooth at all.
4. Comments / observations by scook and others about certain pieces only being available this month are strong indications to me that reading the forum is time well spent. Already very confusing, but understanding that some pieces will not be accessible as installers later makes it seem very prudent as Craig suggests to back up.
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Re: Braintree update. A little messy don't you think?
2015/02/28 19:03:12
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jbow
Thanks Craig. You promise you wont break my computer?
LOL.
J
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Re: Braintree update. A little messy don't you think?
2015/02/28 19:04:18
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lawajava
4. Comments / observations by scook and others about certain pieces only being available this month are strong indications to me that reading the forum is time well spent. Already very confusing, but understanding that some pieces will not be accessible as installers later makes it seem very prudent as Craig suggests to back up.
Yes, except that based on Noel's comments, you don't NEED to back up...only if you're a freak about having backups, like me.
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Re: Braintree update. A little messy don't you think?
2015/02/28 19:30:08
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gswitz
I get panicky when I want to install an update and I'm afraid I'll lose all my custom stuff. It is a worry. And there is so much, you might not notice something is gone until you've got someone over and you want to demo a sound or technique and now you find it missing.
And this is going to happen every month.
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