Tim Flannagin
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Re: Cakewalk 2016.11 is now available!
2016/12/01 07:26:24
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☄ Helpfulby Afrodrum 2016/12/07 10:40:59
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
If you are using a rocksmith cable try using WASAPI exclusive. You will get even lower latency typically since it will go down to a buffer size as low as 3 msec. Of course round trip latency depends on your audio hardware itself but it should be very usable with just the cable and stock laptop audio.
This can be super useful when you are travelling and need to do a scratch track.
Thanks Noel. I did exactly that and am very impressed with the performance. For me, the update means that I don't have to drag my USB audio interface along on a trip just to be able to use a guitar. It also makes using VST synths work much better. I was able to layout scratch tracks last night using only my Minilab and guitar via the Rocksmith cable. The experience was just as good as I normally have with the VS-20. Granted, the update package has lots of goodies this month, but for me, this feature is the hidden gem of the group.
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Re: Cakewalk 2016.11 is now available!
2016/12/01 09:21:47
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It should be possible to set up a project template (and make it default) that has the synth rack open wherever you want it, with every new project. And of course with different screensets and/or lenses, you can have it where you want it as well. Or, as someone suggested above, keybind it to open quickly when you need it (ctl-chift-S already works).
I know people are resistant to change, but I think this one makes sense because it allows more flexibility in terms of where and how you want to view the synth rack - it never made all that much sense to me for it to be locked to the browser. And the project notes pane is a good call - separate from the track notes in the inspector. I still wish there were a text track where you could leave notes tied to a particular time, clip or section (yes I know this can be fudged in various ways...)
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Re: Cakewalk 2016.11 is now available!
2016/12/01 10:23:33
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well, new update looks nice and work ok.
however:
* plugin load balancing still is useless (crashes and dropouts)
* still dropouts while playing (while CPU usage is 14%, load balancing is turned off and latency is 40 millisecs)
* still very long project loading
to me solving just these three issues would be killer update.
it would worth separate update.
PS. as for dropouts there must be some kind of debugging
output or smth like that - to understand the reason of it.
otherwise it becomes black magic to solve it. i wonder how
playback may provide dropouts if CPU is not overloaded.
i suppose Sonar sends audio stream to sound card (and this is
what any media player would do - without dropouts). so i
consider dropout as a fact that Sonar can't generate this stream
in time. but why it doesn't use the CPU power for that?
this is the exact purpose i bought such powerfull CPU.
its ok for me even if it is 100% loaded all the time i work in Sonar.
all i want is smooth playback and no lags.
i can understand that there may be quite a few reasons
why something goes wrong. but the problem is that
Sonar does not provide any tool (or approach) to understand those reasons.
everything usually ends with "check everything".
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Re: Cakewalk 2016.11 is now available!
2016/12/01 12:28:47
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biozel
well, new update looks nice and work ok.
however:
* plugin load balancing still is useless (crashes and dropouts)
* still dropouts while playing (while CPU usage is 14%, load balancing is turned off and latency is 40 millisecs)
* still very long project loading
to me solving just these three issues would be killer update.
it would worth separate update.
PS. as for dropouts there must be some kind of debugging
output or smth like that - to understand the reason of it.
otherwise it becomes black magic to solve it. i wonder how
playback may provide dropouts if CPU is not overloaded.
i suppose Sonar sends audio stream to sound card (and this is
what any media player would do - without dropouts). so i
consider dropout as a fact that Sonar can't generate this stream
in time. but why it doesn't use the CPU power for that?
this is the exact purpose i bought such powerfull CPU.
its ok for me even if it is 100% loaded all the time i work in Sonar.
all i want is smooth playback and no lags.
i can understand that there may be quite a few reasons
why something goes wrong. but the problem is that
Sonar does not provide any tool (or approach) to understand those reasons.
everything usually ends with "check everything".
I'm not seeing any of those issues with the plugin load balancing, dropouts and long project load times. This sounds like it is specific to your system. What are the specs of your machine and what audio interface are you using?
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Re: Cakewalk 2016.11 is now available!
2016/12/01 12:30:24
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plugin load balancing - which plugins are you using?
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Re: Cakewalk 2016.11 is now available!
2016/12/01 12:36:41
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Load balancing works fine here too!
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Re: Cakewalk 2016.11 is now available!
2016/12/01 12:54:43
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problem is not with plugins.
problem is with that you can't clearly be sure
that it is certain plugin damages process or it is Sonar does that
or it is hardware does that.
you just get "something went wrong" kind of info.
just right now i opened project and it somehow started playing without dropouts (in the morning it had dropouts every several seconds). ok. then i went to options, checked "load balance" mark, pressed ok and clicked Play.
now it dropped on 6th bar.
the interesting part is that all tracks are frozen so Sonar must just use pre-generated audio and just sum it up.
instead something happens that causes drop.
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Re: Cakewalk 2016.11 is now available!
2016/12/01 12:59:18
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Re: Cakewalk 2016.11 is now available!
2016/12/01 16:49:11
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I installed yesterday but ended rolling back, The song I was working on felt slower on play back.
Don't know what that means yet... :) anyone else?
peace!
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Re: Cakewalk 2016.11 is now available!
2016/12/01 17:55:10
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Unfortunately began experiencing Audio Dropouts after this update. Didn't make any changes for my audio device settings or anything like that.....focusrite scarlett 6i6
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Re: Cakewalk 2016.11 is now available!
2016/12/01 21:28:21
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I don't mind the new synth rack. What I don't understand is when I open a new synth from the synth rack the synth GUI appears and the synth rack disappears. Is this intended?
Also, at the risk of sounding like a squeaky wheel... What happened to the rapture polysynths from last month??
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Re: Cakewalk 2016.11 is now available!
2016/12/01 22:22:54
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Thanks for another great update Bakers!
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Re: Cakewalk 2016.11 is now available!
2016/12/02 06:47:43
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Hi Guys,
I just wanted to say how much I love the new driver update in the latest release.
I'd been having glitches with the last release while using WASAPI drivers on my laptop, but when I fired up the laptop last night, I was blown away with the new drivers. Even an old legacy M-Audio USB.1 keyboard controller, which previously lagged horrendously, now appears to have no latency at all. How did you manage it? I was sincerely amazed by this, especially as I was thinking of getting rid of the old keyboard and updating to a new one; basically, your new update has saved me money. Cool
Also, the entire workflow feels faster and more responsive.
Good job guys!
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Re: Cakewalk 2016.11 is now available!
2016/12/02 14:59:07
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burgerproduction
Hi Guys,
I just wanted to say how much I love the new driver update in the latest release.
I'd been having glitches with the last release while using WASAPI drivers on my laptop, but when I fired up the laptop last night, I was blown away with the new drivers. Not having to carry around a USB ASIO interface wherever I take my laptop is, quite simply, wonderful 
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Re: Cakewalk 2016.11 is now available!
2016/12/02 15:19:06
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Anderton
burgerproduction
Hi Guys,
I just wanted to say how much I love the new driver update in the latest release.
I'd been having glitches with the last release while using WASAPI drivers on my laptop, but when I fired up the laptop last night, I was blown away with the new drivers.
Not having to carry around a USB ASIO interface wherever I take my laptop is, quite simply, wonderful
+1 and speakers.
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Re: Cakewalk 2016.11 is now available!
2016/12/03 09:15:44
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Great update, first time I've booted up Sonar in about 8 months as I've been using bitwig. This will absolutely go back to being my main DAW again.
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Re: Cakewalk 2016.11 is now available!
2016/12/03 14:20:20
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This is an awesome update! The wasapi integration is money for those times when I want to open a project on the go and don't want to hook up an interface, lenses work great; who really needs the snap module or tools menu in the console view, the ARA integration for multi-track editing with Melodyne Studio is off the hook. Thanks for an outstanding update.
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Re: Cakewalk 2016.11 is now available!
2016/12/03 18:18:12
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lenses are nice, but I find it problematic that they take precedence of project settings. I ended up not using Lenses after an evening of being happy with it. A lens is essentially a cross-project default settings, including everything in the Console, multi-dock etc. So unless all your projects are the same with the same instruments loaded, it gets in the way. bummer.
post edited by AllanH - 2016/12/03 22:35:53
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Andrzej Salm
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Re: Cakewalk 2016.11 is now available!
2016/12/03 20:14:05
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Re: Cakewalk 2016.11 is now available!
2016/12/04 00:00:44
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3 ms WASAPI??? well that is a game changer. Can we achieve that with an ASIO interface? by selecting the WASAPI driver instead?
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Re: Cakewalk 2016.11 is now available!
2016/12/04 20:33:08
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Re: Cakewalk 2016.11 is now available!
2016/12/04 20:34:11
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Andrzej Salm
Killing Screensets was one of the most stupid ideas of yours. Thanks for ruining it for me.
In what way are screen sets 'killed'?
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Re: Cakewalk 2016.11 is now available!
2016/12/04 23:38:31
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I tested this and found that at the lowest latency setting of 2 ms, the WASAPI 'drivers' kept dropping out in a strange way but ASIO was rock solid and can go even lower latency with the Focusrite Saffire, down to 32 samples though my system was coughing up when i used this with a reasonably large project. Good idea but not quite something I would be using at this stage. I haven't tested it on the laptop though.
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Re: Cakewalk 2016.11 is now available!
2016/12/05 18:39:10
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I'm 65, but I welcome change. Took me awhile to figure out the new layout. But it's like anything else: you have to read. Did I say READ?
Only note I have is once the synth rack is docked, if I open up Native Instruments, it disappears and I have to re-acquire it. No big deal.
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Re: Cakewalk 2016.11 is now available!
2016/12/06 15:32:28
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After installing this update the program keeps crashing. Everything was working fine last night. Installed the 2016.11 version and when I try to open a project it states "Sonarplt.exe has stopped working". I tried rolling back and it didn't solve it. Please help. I'm running an HP, Windows 10, 64 bit, 12 gb RAM
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Re: Cakewalk 2016.11 is now available!
2016/12/06 15:53:53
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toastjam
After installing this update the program keeps crashing. Everything was working fine last night. Installed the 2016.11 version and when I try to open a project it states "Sonarplt.exe has stopped working". I tried rolling back and it didn't solve it. Please help. I'm running an HP, Windows 10, 64 bit, 12 gb RAM
See CW response to your other post http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3524975
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Re: Cakewalk 2016.11 is now available!
2016/12/06 17:51:00
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Ever since this update, I haven't been able to get Shift A shortcut to work to show automation lanes in track view. I can get it to work temporarily if I go into Preferences->Keyboard Shortcuts and assign Shift A to Show Track Lanes. But it doesn't stay sticky even if I save the project. Besides, isn't this supposed to be a baked in global shortcut cuz I've never had to mess with it before. On the other hand, Shift T consistently works for show Take Lanes.
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Re: Cakewalk 2016.11 is now available!
2016/12/07 07:17:58
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Tim Flannagin
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
If you are using a rocksmith cable try using WASAPI exclusive. You will get even lower latency typically since it will go down to a buffer size as low as 3 msec. Of course round trip latency depends on your audio hardware itself but it should be very usable with just the cable and stock laptop audio.
This can be super useful when you are travelling and need to do a scratch track.
Thanks Noel. I did exactly that and am very impressed with the performance. For me, the update means that I don't have to drag my USB audio interface along on a trip just to be able to use a guitar. It also makes using VST synths work much better. I was able to layout scratch tracks last night using only my Minilab and guitar via the Rocksmith cable. The experience was just as good as I normally have with the VS-20. Granted, the update package has lots of goodies this month, but for me, this feature is the hidden gem of the group.
This is very interesting. Could you explain how you hook up a guitar to Sonar through Rocksmith cable? I reckon it is a special cable for gamers. Does it work like audio interface ? And is seen by Sonar as such?
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Re: Cakewalk 2016.11 is now available!
2016/12/09 01:12:52
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Re: Cakewalk 2016.11 is now available!
2016/12/09 16:04:11
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Is it just me or did this update break anyone else's DAW?
Mine was humming beautifully and now since this update the transport seems to jump incrementally instead of running smoothly and if I open more than one synth VST track I get terrible latency and really slow response times - like I am trying to run it on a wildly under-specified PC with some crappy built in soundcard not fit for the job (neither of these things are the case btw).
I hope this is a config issue somewhere because if not this update just killed my DAW stone dead - it's good for nothing now! Cakewalk - what did you do???? :-(
Andy
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