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Re: Lenses what do you think about them?
2016/12/03 12:21:18
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"I think this was a much needed and brilliant call to integrate this!"
My view exactly.
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Re: Lenses what do you think about them?
2016/12/03 13:21:51
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Lenses are a MASSIVE step backwards for me... I've just updated my Sonar artist only to find the screensets feature completely gone. Unbelievable.
I had my Sonar set up to have full screen track view on screenset 1, which was accessible by hitting "1" on the numerical keypad, full screen mixer view on screenset 2 - keypad "2" and so on... now all of this is gone. Screenset module is gone too, so now to change views I have to make two mouse clicks instead of one and as I've already mentioned there is no key binding option.
I'm done. I'm reverting to the previous version and am not planning on updating ever again. No more subscription money from me, sorry.
I am spending my time writing this all instead of making music, because Cakewalk have decided to make yet another pointless change in the UI and completely killed my workflow...
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Re: Lenses what do you think about them?
2016/12/03 13:32:07
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Are you sure? I would check the lens thats loaded, it may be the reason. Try the advanced lens. See if your screensets return.
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Re: Lenses what do you think about them?
2016/12/03 13:36:38
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Andrzej Salm
I've just updated my Sonar artist only to find the screensets feature completely gone.
They're not gone. But on a wider topic, there's no doubt UI changes are disruptive. However, I regard spending the time learning them as an investment. If I spend 1 hour learning it but save 20 hours over the course of year because of what I learned, it's worth it. I don't have Artist but I assume you can select "None" as a Lens.
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Re: Lenses what do you think about them?
2016/12/03 14:21:34
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I've just updated my Sonar artist only to find the screensets feature completely gone.
They're not gone.
Srceenset module - gone Key bindings - gone mmmkay
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Re: Lenses what do you think about them?
2016/12/03 14:23:42
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Anderton
If I spend 1 hour learning it but save 20 hours over the course of year because of what I learned, it's worth it.
How two mouse clicks and a dropdown menu are supposed to save my time over 1 keystroke/mouse click?
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Re: Lenses what do you think about them?
2016/12/03 14:26:08
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I can almost imagine the boardroom meeting discussing this "improvement":
- Hi lads, I have a brilliant idea of decluttering menus.
- Brilliant. What is it?
- Let's create... a dropdown menu.
ROFL
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Re: Lenses what do you think about them?
2016/12/03 14:36:04
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I think you need to look harder. In no other version did they take screensets away. I don't have Artist. I have Platinum. So I can't check directly. In the help file there is no reference to Artist not having screensets. But they do mention its not in Home Studio.
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Re: Lenses what do you think about them?
2016/12/03 14:44:39
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One more thing about lenses. You may not be able to modify the factory lenses. This may be disconcerting to some. However use the none lens or make you own. They shouldn't interfere with you normal setup unless you invoke one.
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Re: Lenses what do you think about them?
2016/12/03 14:49:35
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John
I think you need to look harder. In no other version did they take screensets away. I don't have Artist. I have Platinum. So I can't check directly. In the help file there is no reference to Artist not having screensets. But they do mention its not in Home Studio.
Yes, they are there. All but one of my old screensets are gone though. No biggie, I can make them again. I still have a few questions: - What was wrong with the old module? Why the new concept hasn't been incorporated into evolving the screensets feature? - What is the point of having Module strip/bar/whatever you call it, if we are faced with a new menu in the most random part of the screen? Does it not defeat the purpose of modules altoghether? - Where are key bindings? WHERE??? This is a massive failure in my opinion.
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Re: Lenses what do you think about them?
2016/12/03 14:59:36
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Andrzej Salm
John
I think you need to look harder. In no other version did they take screensets away. I don't have Artist. I have Platinum. So I can't check directly. In the help file there is no reference to Artist not having screensets. But they do mention its not in Home Studio.
Yes, they are there. All but one of my old screensets are gone though. No biggie, I can make them again. I still have a few questions:
- What was wrong with the old module? Why the new concept hasn't been incorporated into evolving the screensets feature?
- What is the point of having Module strip/bar/whatever you call it, if we are faced with a new menu in the most random part of the screen? Does it not defeat the purpose of modules altoghether?
- Where are key bindings? WHERE???
This is a massive failure in my opinion.
OK you have found them. One big reason to have the lenses is so a user can simplify the work space to fit the task. I don't quite understand your first question. Nor do I understand the second one. You find Keybindings in Preferences under Keyboard Shortcuts. Hit P to open preferences and have advanced clicked.
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Re: Lenses what do you think about them?
2016/12/03 15:30:41
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John
I don't quite understand your first question. Nor do I understand the second one.
I'll try to rephrase: The old screenset module was neat, tidy and allowed to access different screensets just by clicking on one of the numbers (1-10) on it. Why was it gotten rid of? Why wasn't it renamed to "lenses" and left as it was? Switching between screensets was easy, and the placement of the module was intuitive. That's what the module dock is for. When I look for new features I firstly look at the module dock. What we have right now is a dropdown menu somewhere on the screen. It's a mess and it takes two clicks to switch between screensets/lenses. Hardly an improvement. John
You find Keybindings in Preferences under Keyboard Shortcuts. Hit P to open preferences and have advanced clicked.
Come on, John. As I mentioned in my first post in this thread, I want to be able to switch between screensets by hitting a key on my keypad. I cannot see an option to bind screensets/lenses...
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Re: Lenses what do you think about them?
2016/12/03 15:31:31
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I missing something with the usefulness.... So you eliminate some items, but you're just left with a blank space that isn't useable. Therefore I might as well leave all the standard stuff in....even if used rarely.
If you could resize stuff, then that might be the ticket. or can you now?
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Re: Lenses what do you think about them?
2016/12/03 20:24:43
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I'm back to 2016.10. Couldn't stand the November version. No more updates for me. Over and out.
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Re: Lenses what do you think about them?
2016/12/03 22:47:00
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As much as it sounds like a good idea, it's definitely difficult to use for me. Here is one example. I have a project loaded with all the instruments and like layout. I save it as custom Lens. Save the project and later add another instrument to the and adjust the Console add a few tabs to the multi-dock.
Next time I load the project the custom lens "wins" over the project settings and all post-lens-save changes are lost. This means I'd need to additionally save a custom lens for each project to have it work. I'm not sure what they were thinking or attempting to accomplish. It's definitely confusing to use "as is". Right now I cannot figure out to save a project without the custom lens. It comes back after save, even when choosing "none" before save.
I regret trying it. Making a mess of things and I cannot get it out of my project.
EDIT: if Lenses were "global macros" that did not change project (tabs, console channel strips, etc) and only used to arrange the work space into pre-defined screen sets that might be slightly more convenient that the earlier work space management. Having the lens be saved within the project and additional take precedence is just wrong imo.
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Re: Lenses what do you think about them?
2016/12/03 23:48:47
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Worth noting again that the Manage Lenses dialog enables choice as to what aspects are "handled" by the Lense.
For me, I un-checked the key bindings box, as I want my custom bindings to persist at all times. I believe one could also uncheck the "custom" module in the CB so that it persists in all Lenses. Craig ( or anyone) correct me if I'm wrong there.
I think that's the part that might take some time...realizing that all the things you've customized aren't just tossed out the window ( tho it feels like that the first time you test drive it). They're still in tact, just handled differently.
Or you could just choose None....and not use the feature at all :)
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Re: Lenses what do you think about them?
2016/12/04 12:15:26
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I really like Lens but I would love one change. If your Lens hides a Folder, tracks added to that folder should inherit the folder view. My example, I have a simple "scratch" recorder folder for songwriting. then I have a "audio" folder for tracks which will be in the end production. (I can set the Lens and it works great) I can have a separate view for each folder, but if I add a track in the "audio" folder, it will be visible in the "scratch" folder view. This means you have to correct all lenses with each new track. For 2 Lenses it may not be a big deal, but you can set this up for multiple Lenses i.e a audio, midi, mix, FX, etc.
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Re: Lenses what do you think about them?
2016/12/04 12:26:30
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mixmkr
I missing something with the usefulness.... So you eliminate some items, but you're just left with a blank space that isn't useable. Therefore I might as well leave all the standard stuff in....even if used rarely.
If you could resize stuff, then that might be the ticket. or can you now?
No need to get rid of things if you want them. Yes you can resize things as you have before. Further I think some think you must use lenses. You don't, they are completely optional.
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Re: Lenses what do you think about them?
2016/12/04 12:43:46
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☄ Helpfulby Keni 2016/12/04 16:48:32
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The old screenset module was neat, tidy and allowed to access different screensets just by clicking on one of the numbers (1-10) on it. Why was it gotten rid of?
It wasn't! It's still there. I find combining Lenses withe Screen Sets ideal. If you don't like Lenses, set the drop-down menu to "None" and forget about them. I just don't see the reason for all this angst. It's like any other feature: If you don't like it, don't use it. Nothing was taken away.
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Re: Lenses what do you think about them?
2016/12/04 12:47:57
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dcmg
Worth noting again that the Manage Lenses dialog enables choice as to what aspects are "handled" by the Lense.
For me, I un-checked the key bindings box, as I want my custom bindings to persist at all times. I believe one could also uncheck the "custom" module in the CB so that it persists in all Lenses. Craig ( or anyone) correct me if I'm wrong there. You're correct, but this underscores how different people work differently. I've wanted to have Control Bar presets ever since it was introduced, so my favorite part of Lenses (at least so far) is to have the Control Bar show only what I need; then I can use the expanded version of each module instead of having to collapse them or make them small. In fact if Lenses only let you call up different Control Bar configurations, I'd be glad it existed.
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Re: Lenses what do you think about them?
2016/12/04 14:36:55
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I wonder if CW had called them workspaces would people be more accepting?
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Re: Lenses what do you think about them?
2016/12/04 15:31:07
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Andrzej Salm
The old screenset module was neat, tidy and allowed to access different screensets just by clicking on one of the numbers (1-10) on it. Why was it gotten rid of?
It wasn't! It's still there. I find combining Lenses withe Screen Sets ideal. If you don't like Lenses, set the drop-down menu to "None" and forget about them. I just don't see the reason for all this angst. It's like any other feature: If you don't like it, don't use it. Nothing was taken away.
Well, where is it then? Here is a screenshot: http://imgur.com/a/LHRtjI've actually just updated to 2016.11 again just to check. It's NOT there, so I'll be reverting yet again, unless I'm missing something here...
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Re: Lenses what do you think about them?
2016/12/04 15:42:11
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Put the lens on none. Your screenset module will show up. From there you can make a lens that has the screenset module with it. None will be your normal setup.
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Re: Lenses what do you think about them?
2016/12/04 15:46:02
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John
Put the lens on none. Your screenset module will show up. From there you can make a lens that has the screenset module with it. None will be your normal setup.
Nope. Doesn't work. The module is nowhere to be seen.
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Re: Lenses what do you think about them?
2016/12/04 15:50:30
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Could be an oversight when compiling Artist. Have you considered entering a problem report?
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Re: Lenses what do you think about them?
2016/12/04 15:51:07
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Re: Lenses what do you think about them?
2016/12/04 16:39:45
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I've sent a report to Cakewalk.
It would be great if somebody with Sonar Artist could chime in and let us know whether they still have the Screenset module after updating to 2016.11.
For now I'm reverting to 2016.10 again, can't work without screensets at all.
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Re: Lenses what do you think about them?
2016/12/04 16:42:41
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☄ Helpfulby stevesweat 2016/12/05 09:18:17
Posting about screensets in a thread about lenses or the general 2016.11 thread may not be the most efficient way to ask Artist users a question.
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Re: Lenses what do you think about them?
2016/12/04 16:51:30
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Quite possibly, yes. I can't be bothered to start a new thread though. I actually thought that Lenses replaced screensets since the module and key bindings were gone after updating. That's why I started my little rant in this thread.
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Re: Lenses what do you think about them?
2016/12/05 08:13:26
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I really dont have anything more to say here than that I really like lenses. I've wanted something like this for a long time. Just wanted to spread some positive words in this thread. People shouting it's the end of the world just because they forgot to open their eyes ;)
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