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Re: Cakewalk By BandLab vs SONAR Versions Comparison Chart [4/19/2018] 2018/04/22 19:39:10 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby abacab 2018/04/23 00:20:43
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Can't seem to open this file on an android tablet. Surely a web based technology company can find a more universal and accessible format to share this information on one of their websites? A very long time fan of all things Cakewalk, I will add it to the list of reasons I am rapibly losing interest in CbB.




Which file? Surely you’re not talking about Cakewalk by BandLab (Sonar replacement).
BandLab, the social media music platform has an Android and an IOS app. Or via your browser on a PC, preferably Chrome as it handles low latency audio much better than any other browser.



Can't be sure but I'd say he is talking about the Comparison Chart, the subject of this thread, I could be wrong.


Quite right matron.  No interest in the Bandlab platform and Apps. 
 
No biggie. I have opened it on my media server PC. Just making the point that a google doc upload of a  comparison chart doesn't really scream slick rollout:)
 
Early days for CbB. Hoping it is in good hands and has a bright future for those sticking with it.. Time will tell.


As I replied earlier:

It opened perfectly well on my android phone. I just tried it on my son's android tablet, and that was fine, too.

So, should be adding it to list of "More positive things about Bandlab".

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Re: Cakewalk By BandLab vs SONAR Versions Comparison Chart [4/19/2018] 2018/04/23 00:01:20 (permalink)
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Just making the point that a google doc upload of a  comparison chart doesn't really scream slick rollout:)
 
Early days for CbB. Hoping it is in good hands and has a bright future for those sticking with it.. Time will tell.



It is quite common to respond to forum request for information with a linked spreadsheet (or whatever format is most suited to the content of the answer).
 
I wouldn't compare this to a rollout attempt because as far as I am aware it was not posted to the public on the Bandlab home page.  The intended audience is this forum, and that response is totally acceptable.

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Re: Cakewalk By BandLab vs SONAR Versions Comparison Chart [4/19/2018] 2018/04/23 00:42:27 (permalink)
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There will not be a for purchase edition of CbB. There will however be paid for fx and instrument plugins. No details on what and when yet.


Meng has talked about a cross-grade version for previous Sonar users, which will be for-purchase for those who haven't previously purchased Sonar.

If you're right it means newbies would download the free version, could buy a combo of fxs/synths after the fact or just buy the individual plugins/synths that they want.

If I'm right the premium package deal will also install CbB.

But what is abundantly clear is there'll always be a free version of CbB.

I edited this post for clarity because of scook's point below.
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Re: Cakewalk By BandLab vs SONAR Versions Comparison Chart [4/19/2018] 2018/04/23 00:45:52 (permalink)
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Thanks for the useful information I appreciate it. 


Happy to help. This is a game changing event for Cakewalk users for sure.
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Re: Cakewalk By BandLab vs SONAR Versions Comparison Chart [4/19/2018] 2018/04/23 00:46:42 (permalink)
I do not believe anyone will be expected to re-purchase plug-ins that were bundled with a version of SONAR or add-ons already purchased. New products and upgraded add-ons are a different matter.
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Re: Cakewalk By BandLab vs SONAR Versions Comparison Chart [4/19/2018] 2018/04/23 16:30:01 (permalink)
Unless you bought Rapture, Dim Pro or the Z3ta's as separate synths, I don't see BandLab including them.  I would expect Rapture Pro to be on sale, soon, probably one of the first "pay to add to CbB" products for BandLab. How is BandLab supposed to make money if they give away synths that take sales from their premium synths?  However, if you bought those synths originally you can, of course, use your DVDs to load them.
 
I also don't think there is a lot of money floating around for VSTs - Wave is selling plugs and collections for pennies on the old dollar amounts.  That sets a bottom to the market.   However, Cake's SSL buss comp is as good as any soft comp I've used and BandLab could sell the whole SSL channel (the rest of the items in their chain are good, too!) as a collection.   The 1176, La2a clone and EQ are all good and I could see BandLab releasing those in Waves' $29 range or collections for $50.
 
It doesn't matter how much BandLab paid for SONAR - they can't  pay for it by giving it away (cue the old joke about losing money on your product but making up for that w/ quantity).  However, you can ameliorate the costs by selling older products polished up (since PC modules are sized VSTs, it shouldn't take much to make them bigger etc.).  There is a modest market for those and the synths, esp. if they have a largish market share with their free DAW.  I appreciate what BandLab is doing but I don't want them to go broke by giving away the store.
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Re: Cakewalk By BandLab vs SONAR Versions Comparison Chart [4/19/2018] 2018/04/23 19:52:14 (permalink)
ATNice.  The only problem is that CbB is at the far end of the columns, and it is almost impossible to easily track back to what is missing. Start the columns w/ CbB and then it becomes apparent what is included and not without having to drag the screen from one side of the chart to the other side.  That is what we need to see, not what SONAR Artist is missing.  I'm working w/ a small screen here.

Agreed and another solution is to copy the first column so that it is now the first and last column which makes it close whichever side you are viewing from.
 
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Re: Cakewalk By BandLab vs SONAR Versions Comparison Chart [4/19/2018] 2018/04/23 22:45:36 (permalink)
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ATNice.  The only problem is that CbB is at the far end of the columns, and it is almost impossible to easily track back to what is missing. Start the columns w/ CbB and then it becomes apparent what is included and not without having to drag the screen from one side of the chart to the other side.  That is what we need to see, not what SONAR Artist is missing.  I'm working w/ a small screen here.

Agreed and another solution is to copy the first column so that it is now the first and last column which makes it close whichever side you are viewing from.
 


The quickest way is to set the zoom to 90% or lower.


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Re: Cakewalk By BandLab vs SONAR Versions Comparison Chart [4/19/2018] 2018/04/27 01:56:19 (permalink)
Thanks for the google doc. Helpful indeed.
 
Any timeline to get the synth's up and running (thinking about Dimension in particular)
 
I'm in a special case, as I had to do a (coincidental) complete re-install on the studio pc, and hence, have no way to access my Sonar Pro download-only software bundle. I have a bunch of tracks that I can only partially open as a result while I wait for Bandlab to get the plugins download-ready.
 

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Re: Cakewalk By BandLab vs SONAR Versions Comparison Chart [4/19/2018] 2018/04/27 02:28:59 (permalink)
While there has been discussion about Rapture Pro, it is not clear if BandLab intend to migrate any of the older Cakewalk synths bundled with previous products. You still should have access to your Cakewalk account. You may want to download the installers from there or use the Cakewalk Command Center.
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Re: Cakewalk By BandLab vs SONAR Versions Comparison Chart [4/19/2018] 2018/04/28 02:41:39 (permalink)
Thank you, Meng. 
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Re: Cakewalk By BandLab vs SONAR Versions Comparison Chart [4/19/2018] 2018/04/28 17:10:14 (permalink)
Looks like this comparison chart needs to be updated to include the new 2018.04.01 update! 
 
Looks like the Theme Editor + Drum Replacer + Studio Instruments + POW-r dithering need to be added! Did I miss something? :-)
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Re: Cakewalk By BandLab vs SONAR Versions Comparison Chart [4/19/2018] 2018/04/28 17:41:06 (permalink)
Studio Instruments are listed. Pow-r is not and was not in the original SONAR comparison document (also see Noel's comment regarding pow-r. I do not look for comparisons with SONAR to continue.
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Re: Cakewalk By BandLab vs SONAR Versions Comparison Chart [4/19/2018] 2018/04/28 18:48:53 (permalink)
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Studio Instruments are listed. Pow-r is not and was not in the original SONAR comparison document (also see Noel's comment regarding pow-r. I do  not look for comparisons with SONAR to continue.


I thought they enhanced/expanded the Studio Instruments in some way... maybe I misunderstood! Apologies for confusion! 
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Re: Cakewalk By BandLab vs SONAR Versions Comparison Chart [4/19/2018] 2018/04/28 18:56:48 (permalink)
I have not installed CbB Studio Instruments. They are no different than previously bundled versions accord to http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3743935
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Studio Instruments

This add on includes Cakewalk’s popular Studio instruments including Electric Piano, SI-Bass Guitar, SI-Drum Kit and SI-String Section. This add-on also includes 4 Cakewalk demo projects. If you already have this installed from a previous SONAR product you won’t need to install this.

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Re: Cakewalk By BandLab vs SONAR Versions Comparison Chart [4/19/2018] 2018/04/29 16:45:45 (permalink)
I was never given any options when downloading. I assume Cakewalk just knew I had this stuff installed and didn't install it again?
 

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Re: Cakewalk By BandLab vs SONAR Versions Comparison Chart [4/19/2018] 2018/05/07 08:39:02 (permalink)
Hi. I stayed in Sonar 2016.11 (22.11.0.111). Is there any way to update me to 2017.10 ignoring Banlab? Thank you. Best regards.
 
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Re: Cakewalk By BandLab vs SONAR Versions Comparison Chart [4/19/2018] 2018/05/07 14:35:47 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Jon Sasor [Cakewalk] 2018/05/07 18:29:41
Gibson/Cakewalk stopped selling updates to SONAR last year. If you want a newer product based on SONAR you cannot ignore BandLab (the company currently paying to keep this forum running).
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Re: Cakewalk By BandLab vs SONAR Versions Comparison Chart [4/19/2018] 2018/05/10 22:51:55 (permalink)
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Nice.  The only problem is that CbB is at the far end of the columns, and it is almost impossible to easily track back to what is missing. Start the columns w/ CbB and then it becomes apparent what is included and not without having to drag the screen from one side of the chart to the other side.  That is what we need to see, not what SONAR Artist is missing.  I'm working w/ a small screen here.


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Re: Cakewalk By BandLab vs SONAR Versions Comparison Chart [4/19/2018] 2018/05/11 03:51:05 (permalink)
As the troll rolls by ... 
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Re: Cakewalk By BandLab vs SONAR Versions Comparison Chart [4/19/2018] 2018/05/25 15:12:10 (permalink)
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
 
 
We don't mention internal only stuff like dither options in our comp chart. If we did it would be 10000 pages long.
All the izotope stuff was re-licensed so it is in the CbB early access release itself. POWr is still under review but there is a good chance it will be back. 


 
Noel, thanks for the clarification. Are there any plans to add any missing SPLAT functionallity to CbB? In particular, will ProChannel and all those Cakewalk and 3rd party modules be added to CbB? I've really enjoyed doing 80% of mixes in ProChannel but believe I can (probably after buying a few new plugings) do pretty much the same things in the FX bin. So I realize this isn't a critical addition.
 
And on the downside of using ProChannel, I've often had trouble had problems inserting/moving FX Chains in ProChannel strips; and adding/deleting/moving effects in FX Chains. Others have demonstrated they don't have that problem. So I've been hopeful that I could solve the problem and kept using it even with the problems.




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Re: Cakewalk By BandLab vs SONAR Versions Comparison Chart [4/19/2018] 2018/05/27 01:14:40 (permalink)
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Noel, thanks for the clarification. Are there any plans to add any missing SPLAT functionallity to CbB? In particular, will ProChannel and all those Cakewalk and 3rd party modules be added to CbB? I've really enjoyed doing 80% of mixes in ProChannel but believe I can (probably after buying a few new plugings) do pretty much the same things in the FX bin. So I realize this isn't a critical addition.
 
And on the downside of using ProChannel, I've often had trouble had problems inserting/moving FX Chains in ProChannel strips; and adding/deleting/moving effects in FX Chains. Others have demonstrated they don't have that problem. So I've been hopeful that I could solve the problem and kept using it even with the problems.

 
CbB does have ProChannel. There is a whole batch of ProChannel stuff listed starting at line 87 that are in CbB already. The QuadCurve EQ and Zoom are there, PC76 U-Type Channel Compressor, PC4K S-Type Bus Compressor, Console Emulator, Tape Emulator, Tube Saturation, Softube Saturation Knob, FX Chain, BREVERB SONAR, REmatrix Solo and Style Dial FX are all marked as included in the Early Access CbB.

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Re: Cakewalk By BandLab vs SONAR Versions Comparison Chart [4/19/2018] 2018/05/30 19:18:35 (permalink)
Hello
I see that Cakewalk by Bandlab is moving along and rebuilding. Is the any time frame of when a complete edition of something close to Sonar Platinum will be released and functional ?  I am currently involved in several album projects and I don't want to start downloading bits and pieces of the new program as it is being developed and cause myself problems or lost functions. I have too much going on to be experimenting with this.  Also my concern with this transitional period is the latest comparison chart shows a lack of mainstay items I currently use such as the Blue Tube plug-ins and the channel tools. Lounge Lizard and Addictive Drums are not available so until a complete version of what we have been working with in the form of Sonar Platinum is available I will not risk fooling around with this skeleton version. Now don't get me wrong here, I am, like everyone happy and excited about this new direction for Cakewalk and the fact that it's not dead however I would like to know to what degree will the full resurrection format be and roughly how long it will take to be functional. Also when a full functioning program is in place will it be offered for sale or will we use the existing platform and the new edition will be build upon it. I am looking ahead at my work flow and trying to gauge the best route to go. Thanks for any information you can provide.
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Re: Cakewalk By BandLab vs SONAR Versions Comparison Chart [4/19/2018] 2018/05/31 00:05:18 (permalink)
As has been pointed out several times above, 3rd party plugs (ie., the ones the old Cakewalk paid others to include in version of SONAR, Proaudio, etc.) will probably not (read won't) be included in any future CbB since they would have to option them all over again.  Blue Tubes, Lounge Lizard and Addictive are such programs.
 
BandLab bought the skeleton and plan on adding more functions and new effects, not the old stuff.  That is how I read it, anyway.  
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Re: Cakewalk By BandLab vs SONAR Versions Comparison Chart [4/19/2018] 2018/05/31 01:09:37 (permalink)
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As has been pointed out several times above, 3rd party plugs (ie., the ones the old Cakewalk paid others to include in version of SONAR, Proaudio, etc.) will probably not (read won't) be included in any future CbB since they would have to option them all over again.  Blue Tubes, Lounge Lizard and Addictive are such programs.
 
BandLab bought the skeleton and plan on adding more functions and new effects, not the old stuff.  That is how I read it, anyway.  


Just to add to this, if you already have the 3rd party plugins from a previous Sonar Platinum installed, they shouldn't be removed by adding CbB.  You should be able to run them side by side, with CbB scanning and using the available Sonar content.  It's just that some Sonar content will not be available standalone to CbB, unless you already have Sonar Platinum installed.
 
The only thing that I may be missing here is if any of the 3rd party content detects that CbB is not actually Sonar Platinum, and therefore refuses to run.  Anybody got feedback on this?

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Re: Cakewalk By BandLab vs SONAR Versions Comparison Chart [4/19/2018] 2018/05/31 16:25:50 (permalink)
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Just to add to this, if you already have the 3rd party plugins from a previous Sonar Platinum installed, they shouldn't be removed by adding CbB.  You should be able to run them side by side, with CbB scanning and using the available Sonar content.  It's just that some Sonar content will not be available standalone to CbB, unless you already have Sonar Platinum installed.
 
The only thing that I may be missing here is if any of the 3rd party content detects that CbB is not actually Sonar Platinum, and therefore refuses to run.  Anybody got feedback on this?



Two parts here - one - do not uninstall SPlat. It keeps the third party software activated - where necessary.  And - two - so far, all the VST and Plugins I've tried worked with CbB. I have not tried everything, though, so your mileage will likely vary.

My Melodyne is purchased and not part of the original SPlat and is "universal" - I don't need SPlat to run it - so it probably doesn't count as tested.

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Re: Cakewalk By BandLab vs SONAR Versions Comparison Chart [4/19/2018] 2018/06/06 11:23:43 (permalink)
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Nice.  The only problem is that CbB is at the far end of the columns, and it is almost impossible to easily track back to what is missing. Start the columns w/ CbB and then it becomes apparent what is included and not without having to drag the screen from one side of the chart to the other side.  That is what we need to see, not what SONAR Artist is missing.  I'm working w/ a small screen here.


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Re: Cakewalk By BandLab vs SONAR Versions Comparison Chart [4/28/2018] 2018/07/27 16:35:12 (permalink)
Is this the final comparison?
 
Would be nice to be able to save / copy.  
 
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Re: Cakewalk By BandLab vs SONAR Versions Comparison Chart [4/19/2018] 2018/07/30 19:05:30 (permalink)
Of course we can't mark the OP as "Helpful" but you are indeed !  Thank you !

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Re: Cakewalk By BandLab vs SONAR Versions Comparison Chart [4/19/2018] 2018/09/30 22:36:52 (permalink)
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... some Sonar content will not be available standalone to CbB, unless you already have Sonar Platinum installed.
 
The only thing that I may be missing here is if any of the 3rd party content detects that CbB is not actually Sonar Platinum, and therefore refuses to run.  Anybody got feedback on this?




The main reason I've chosen to stay away from the Bandlab thing altogether is concerns about uninterrupted functionality.
Am I correct to assume that this means I get no more updates? (last one with regular Sonar Platinum was October 2017). I'm concerned that I have to DOWNLOAD (!?!) Cakewalk by Bandlab, when I already have Sonar Platinum. I don't want to risk losing plug-ins, functionality, or any existing projects.
If it's a seamless transition with no risk of any loss of any functions, that would be one thing. But If I have to download a new version of something I already have, that concerns me.

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