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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/28 19:31:59
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Kroneborge
have more plug ins then you can ever imagine
Oh I don't know Chucke, I've got a pretty good imagination 
In fact probably too good of one, I was a bit sad to see this months CC bill. Seems it's time to cut back 
matthew my problem is every deal i see i buy..the other half are free i downloaded from links given here.
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/28 19:37:13
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Neole
Well there should not be the problem in the first place. Surely sonar should be automatically able to figure out a way to show more plugins the same way that Nuendo does.
For those who like to organise their plugins the organise feature is good, but theres lots of lazy disorganised composers like me who dont like to get the 'organise your plugin' message everytime I load a project.
how is the plug in manager supposed to read the mind of every plug in you put in.its not about being lazy..its about being proffesional.if you run a tite ship and have as many plugins as this guy says he has.or you do your self..its like buying a 15,000 dollar car and saying:im never going to clean it.
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/28 20:01:00
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Well, I for one, am very appreciative of this thread. I'm clearly a nugget head. I've been using Sonar for 4 years, and just now learned about plugin manager - D'OH  . I've been scrolling the slow way all this time. What a nugget head. Just setup my custom layout and it's awesome!! I suppose at this rate, I'll know about all the functionality of Sonar just in time to be dead
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/28 21:41:56
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chuckebaby
the thing i would like to see is every plug in with a little meter on it showing how much resourse is going into that plug(cpu)..like guitar rig 4 has at the top right hand window in the gui
+1 Also +1 to the idea of having unsorted new plugsin go to a special folder till you can put them somewhere.
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/28 23:35:14
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Limit what limit? I have at least 50 plugins and who knows how may wavs and sf2/z in the vst plugins directory. I am not having a problem with the number. I do have some plugins that are a little more complicated than I want in a Xmusic instrument but other than that I am a happy man. What happen to my Edirol and what is roland doing in the vsti game? I know you got capability what is the problem?
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/29 00:35:25
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As long as we're discussing enhancements for plugin management, how about the ability to add one new DLL without having to rescan them all?
After all, "scanning" is just SONAR looking through all the VST folders and building a list of the DLLs it identifies as VSTs, right? So why not have an "Add New" button that appends one DLL to the list? Or is the scan more complicated than I imagine it to be?
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/29 00:39:14
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bitflipper
As long as we're discussing enhancements for plugin management, how about the ability to add one new DLL without having to rescan them all?
After all, "scanning" is just SONAR looking through all the VST folders and building a list of the DLLs it identifies as VSTs, right? So why not have an "Add New" button that appends one DLL to the list? Or is the scan more complicated than I imagine it to be?
For me, when I add anything to my vst folders, SONAR picks it up on startup, with no need to scan the entire list again.
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/29 01:14:43
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Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
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bitflipper
As long as we're discussing enhancements for plugin management, how about the ability to add one new DLL without having to rescan them all?
After all, "scanning" is just SONAR looking through all the VST folders and building a list of the DLLs it identifies as VSTs, right? So why not have an "Add New" button that appends one DLL to the list? Or is the scan more complicated than I imagine it to be?
For me, when I add anything to my vst folders, SONAR picks it up on startup, with no need to scan the entire list again.
o ya..well for me..i have sonar hard wired to my coffee pot..so when i add in a new plug in it brews a fresh pot..lol..sorry i had to through something funny in there sooner or later...as you were... :) not to make light of bit flippers idea which is a good one.
post edited by chuckebaby - 2011/03/29 08:09:23
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/29 07:49:04
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I wonder what stories Cakewalk could tell
Peter
I'm not sure but the weirdest thing - I have exactly the same set up as you except my piece of string broke a couple of days ago and I'm waiting for Sweetwater to send me some more
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/29 08:06:32
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I think some people like to complain first and think later +100! One of the truest things I've read here in a while
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/29 10:33:15
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As long as we're discussing enhancements for plugin management, how about the ability to add one new DLL without having to rescan them all? SONAR already does exactly that. Only newly discovered plugins are actually scanned the next time you start or choose to scan from preferences. Unless you force a full rescan...
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/29 10:52:04
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk
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As long as we're discussing enhancements for plugin management, how about the ability to add one new DLL without having to rescan them all?
SONAR already does exactly that. Only newly discovered plugins are actually scanned the next time you start or choose to scan from preferences. Unless you force a full rescan...
Is this a new feature in X1? If I remember correctly, 8.5 scanned all the plugins at startup....(I disabled that feature because of this and manually scanned when needed).
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/29 12:17:34
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk
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As long as we're discussing enhancements for plugin management, how about the ability to add one new DLL without having to rescan them all?
SONAR already does exactly that. Only newly discovered plugins are actually scanned the next time you start or choose to scan from preferences. Unless you force a full rescan...
Is this a new feature in X1? If I remember correctly, 8.5 scanned all the plugins at startup....(I disabled that feature because of this and manually scanned when needed).
No it's the same as it's been for quote some time. It does scan at startup, but should not scan everything. It only looks for changes and it takes far less time than a full scan (seconds if that). I hear this a lot - that people turn off scan at startup. I think it's assumed that "scan at startup" is going to rescan all plugins, but it doesn't. It just scans quickly for any changes or additions. (cute little girl by the way)
post edited by Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk] - 2011/03/29 12:19:14
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/29 12:19:58
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk
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As long as we're discussing enhancements for plugin management, how about the ability to add one new DLL without having to rescan them all?
SONAR already does exactly that. Only newly discovered plugins are actually scanned the next time you start or choose to scan from preferences. Unless you force a full rescan...
I am angry that there are users that didn't know this information before!! i am the angry x1user here to show you!! grrrrrrrrr
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/29 12:53:02
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Your anger makes me angry. The fact that I'm angry makes me angry, which net cancel's itself out and makes me happy as punch ROFL You have a unique way of introducing yourself to a community indeed 
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/29 13:01:24
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Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk
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As long as we're discussing enhancements for plugin management, how about the ability to add one new DLL without having to rescan them all?
SONAR already does exactly that. Only newly discovered plugins are actually scanned the next time you start or choose to scan from preferences. Unless you force a full rescan...
Is this a new feature in X1? If I remember correctly, 8.5 scanned all the plugins at startup....(I disabled that feature because of this and manually scanned when needed).
No it's the same as it's been for quote some time. It does scan at startup, but should not scan everything. It only looks for changes and it takes far less time than a full scan (seconds if that).
I hear this a lot - that people turn off scan at startup. I think it's assumed that "scan at startup" is going to rescan all plugins, but it doesn't. It just scans quickly for any changes or additions.
(cute little girl by the way)
Thanks Brandon (that was last year....now she's 2, cuter, and a big troublemaker...lol!!). I am one of those people that "assumed"  the full scan.....good to know that it doesn't need to be disabled.
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/29 13:55:21
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I think people see the scan dialog and assume it is really scanning. All it is doing is going through the VST scan path and CHECKING for changes in the timestamp of the dll. If you have hundreds of dll's there, it may take a few seconds to actually check the timestamps (thats how long windows takes) but its NOT doing a scan which actually loads the plugin.
Turning off scan just prevents the timestamp checking. If you very rarely add new plugins then you can turn off scan on startup to gain back that time. You can always manually run the scan from the options dialog in that case.
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/29 14:10:17
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For those who like to organise their plugins the organise feature is good, but theres lots of lazy disorganised composers like me who dont like to get the 'organise your plugin' message everytime I load a project.
Try getting the version of Sonar that I use then, I only have to organise them in my version once. They stay that way until I either load a new layout or change the existing one. Can't get much simpler.
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/29 14:46:48
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk
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I think people see the scan dialog and assume it is really scanning. All it is doing is going through the VST scan path and CHECKING for changes in the timestamp of the dll. If you have hundreds of dll's there, it may take a few seconds to actually check the timestamps (thats how long windows takes) but its NOT doing a scan which actually loads the plugin.
Turning off scan just prevents the timestamp checking. If you very rarely add new plugins then you can turn off scan on startup to gain back that time. You can always manually run the scan from the options dialog in that case.
Maybe you should hide the dialog box unless it's actually scanning new VST's? Maybe leave the splash up instead?
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/29 15:00:41
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I hate the splash. It needs to go into the background. I do other stuff while Sonar loads.
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/29 15:08:05
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Kroneborge
I hate the splash. It needs to go into the background. I do other stuff while Sonar loads.
have you turned off your "scan plug ins at start up off?..beagle taught me that a while back..love the feature..my songs load slow though..only when i use session drummer..usually a project with rapture or c.w.ss. loads pretty quick..by the way matthew..those sound packs they gave away..did you ever figure out where to put them?..what folder they go in..i cant..just installed last night..there showing up in odd places..figured i could ask you for help on that one if you dont mind..i dont want to highjack this thread so i will p.m. you later tonight if thats okay with you? thanks man.
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/29 15:26:45
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Kroneborge
I hate the splash. It needs to go into the background. I do other stuff while Sonar loads.
have you turned off your "scan plug ins at start up off?..beagle taught me that a while back..love the feature..my songs load slow though..only when i use session drummer..usually a project with rapture or c.w.ss. loads pretty quick..by the way matthew..those sound packs they gave away..did you ever figure out where to put them?..what folder they go in..i cant..just installed last night..there showing up in odd places..figured i could ask you for help on that one if you dont mind..i dont want to highjack this thread so i will p.m. you later tonight if thats okay with you?
thanks man.
No I haven't turned it off, I will look into that. Also see this thread about the files. http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2194004
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/29 15:28:43
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Kroneborge
I hate the splash. It needs to go into the background. I do other stuff while Sonar loads.
I thought I was the only one that disliked this! I also do other things while Sonar loads. UnderTow
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/29 15:31:53
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Kroneborge
I hate the splash. It needs to go into the background. I do other stuff while Sonar loads.
I thought I was the only one that disliked this! I also do other things while Sonar loads.
UnderTow
Which is just funny because I had a ton of customers tell me the splash screen loaded too fast.
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/29 15:45:42
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Kroneborge
I hate the splash. It needs to go into the background. I do other stuff while Sonar loads.
I thought I was the only one that disliked this! I also do other things while Sonar loads.
UnderTow
Which is just funny because I had a ton of customers tell me the splash screen loaded too fast.
As long as you don't follow any of their advise as far as Sonar functionality is concerned as those people are clearly insane! Maybe they mean the splash screen comes up too fast? As in right after you launch Sonar? Otherwise it just makes no sense... I hope this isn't the user satisfaction panel or something like that! Anyway, it isn't the speed that annoys me. Sonar has to do what it has to do... It is the fact that it is in the foreground and blocks everything else. A bit obnoxious if you ask me.  UnderTow
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/29 17:25:03
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Are you guys talking about the SONAR splash screen? I just launched SONAR and it took less than 5 seconds for it to be ready - and that was with Scan On Startup enabled. Something must be amiss (that or some of you are able to accomplish a lot in 5 seconds).
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/29 17:26:29
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Kroneborge
I hate the splash. It needs to go into the background. I do other stuff while Sonar loads.
I thought I was the only one that disliked this! I also do other things while Sonar loads.
UnderTow
SONAR shouldn't take more than a handful of seconds to load. It's one of the fastest launching DAW's I know of.
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/29 17:27:35
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Panup has a Plug-in manager mod that makes it alot easier to use.
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/29 17:31:32
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Every since X1b, the flash screen takes like 10 seconds. Before then From Sonar 6 PE to X1a, if you blinked you missed it. Did Cakewalk change something to the splash screen? Hey 10 seconds is Minutes ahead of Protools!
post edited by LANEY - 2011/03/29 17:32:54
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