MarcusTandy
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Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
Considering the number of plugins contained within Sonar X1 itself and then adding a few plugin bundles like the Waves Mercury bundle.
Isn't it long overdue for Cakewalk to attempt to remove the plugin number limitation in Sonar X1. How can you call Sonar Producer a truly "unlimited" product when it imposes this limitation simply because of poorly chosen programming components?
I have over 70 synths and Mercury, not to mention various bundles from Nomad Factory and Melda Production.
The advice to "better organise your plugin list" does not work and furthermore users are condesended to when informing Cakewalk of this problem, like it's their fault for having too many plugins rather than a failing of the product.
Plugins randomly disappear from Cakewalks plugins list. Why should I have to remove plugins from the location they are installed into? This CAN be a very complicated procude and sometimes require a complete reinstall of the products.
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/28 03:54:10
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I second the complaint. I dont have this problem in Nuendo, it handles the many plugins elegantly.
Sonar's display of the plugins is also cumbersome - I have to scroll down a long list of plugins very slowly to reach the bottom. Nuendo just lists them as 'more plugins' which I click to get the next column of plugins.
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/28 03:58:42
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/28 04:11:25
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MarcusTandy
Considering the number of plugins contained within Sonar X1 itself and then adding a few plugin bundles like the Waves Mercury bundle.
Isn't it long overdue for Cakewalk to attempt to remove the plugin number limitation in Sonar X1. How can you call Sonar Producer a truly "unlimited" product when it imposes this limitation simply because of poorly chosen programming components?
I have over 70 synths and Mercury, not to mention various bundles from Nomad Factory and Melda Production.
The advice to "better organise your plugin list" does not work and furthermore users are condesended to when informing Cakewalk of this problem, like it's their fault for having too many plugins rather than a failing of the product.
Plugins randomly disappear from Cakewalks plugins list. Why should I have to remove plugins from the location they are installed into? This CAN be a very complicated procude and sometimes require a complete reinstall of the products.
Much things can be better but still you can make you're own custom-made list of plugins. I like that feature and that feature doesn't excist in example Cubase...
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/28 04:34:29
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According to my sense of organisation the obvious thing to do is creating subfolders like "Compressors" "EQs" or "Kjaerhus", "Waves" "Nomad Factory" (and subfolders under brands: comp, EQ etc) and put all the VSTs to them accordingly. Makes life so easy. No mile long lists to shovel through.
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/28 07:18:33
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Kalle Rantaaho
According to my sense of organisation the obvious thing to do is creating subfolders like "Compressors" "EQs" or "Kjaerhus", "Waves" "Nomad Factory" (and subfolders under brands: comp, EQ etc) and put all the VSTs to them accordingly. Makes life so easy. No mile long lists to shovel through.
Sonar 6 did a pretty reasonable job of arranging plugins by "manufacturer" by default. X1 does it poorly at best..
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/28 07:27:38
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Hi there,
please excuse my ignorance, can someone enlighten me on this limitation ?.
What exactly is the limit ?.
And does the way you have your plugins arranged affect it ?.
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Brandon Ryan [Roland]
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/28 12:55:29
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MarcusTandy
The advice to "better organise your plugin list" does not work and furthermore users are condesended to when informing Cakewalk of this problem, like it's their fault for having too many plugins rather than a failing of the product.
Why doesn't organizing your plugins work? And why would you not organize your plugins especially considering the sheer number of them?
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/28 12:59:37
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Gotta agree with BR...why on earth would you not want your plugs layed out in an organized, easy to use manner? It really doesn't take any time at all to do it. You might at least try it and see if you like it better.
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/28 13:01:22
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MarcusTandy
The advice to "better organise your plugin list" does not work and furthermore users are condesended to when informing Cakewalk of this problem, like it's their fault for having too many plugins rather than a failing of the product.
Why doesn't organizing your plugins work? And why would you not organize your plugins especially considering the sheer number of them?
I wondered the same thing. I think some people like to complain first and think later
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/28 13:02:22
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My are organized by usage and it saves me tons of time!!
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/28 13:32:50
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does "organising your plugins" increase the limit?
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Brandon Ryan [Roland]
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/28 13:40:33
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From my understanding of the situation, the limit is just in how many one menu can show - not an actual limit in the number of plugins that SONAR supports. So organizing them into submenus gets around the problem - not to mention being quite arguably better practice anyway.
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/28 16:20:29
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Well there should not be the problem in the first place. Surely sonar should be automatically able to figure out a way to show more plugins the same way that Nuendo does.
For those who like to organise their plugins the organise feature is good, but theres lots of lazy disorganised composers like me who dont like to get the 'organise your plugin' message everytime I load a project.
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/28 16:25:24
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I have to 2nd Brandon as well ... I mean, I have a good amount of plugins and would NEVER want them in 1 list.
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/28 16:25:26
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perhaps Sonar should be responsible for tucking you in and reading you a bed time story at night too??
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/28 17:06:24
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daryl1968
perhaps Sonar should be responsible for tucking you in and reading you a bed time story at night too??
Love that. I wonder what stories Cakewalk could tell
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/28 17:20:37
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i have more plug ins then you can ever imagine..and i havent run out of room..i orginize mine neatlly..you should watch cake tv a little bit theres a video on how to utilize plug in manager...seems like you went off half cocked on a small rant here without having a clue what your even talking about.
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/28 17:34:33
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It is amazing to me that someone who has a $15,000 bundle of waves plugs plus the cost of the others that are on the OP's system and is just now joining this forum (this is his first post) asking such a basic question regarding cake's awesome software.
I wonder just how much real help a torrent user such as this guy expects to get from a law abiding (for the most part) group, such as the ones that are here.
I am not trying to start a problem I just can't imagine how someone who has clearly stolen his software can come in here and act all uppity while asking for help in the same breath.
the answer lies in the "Phuckwad pricipal" I imagine.
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/28 18:14:57
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Yeah this gets a FAIL.
There is some decent ground to comment on the plugin manager, which could use a few extra features to make mgmt a little easier. The biggest thing I find myself wanting is an indication of what plugs are already present in a custom menu.
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/28 18:18:28
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have more plug ins then you can ever imagine
Oh I don't know Chucke, I've got a pretty good imagination  In fact probably too good of one, I was a bit sad to see this months CC bill. Seems it's time to cut back 
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/28 18:32:22
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I would not have even known there was a limit, if not for the periodic complaints here regarding it. I have never hit that limit, despite having amassed nearly three hundred VSTs.
I don't understand why you'd think that a suggestion to get better organized is "condescending". It's actually very good advice and you should take it.
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/28 18:36:54
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...despite having amassed nearly three hundred VSTs. Wow, I must need more VSTs!
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Brandon Ryan [Roland]
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/28 18:59:28
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...wicked
Yeah this gets a FAIL.
There is some decent ground to comment on the plugin manager, which could use a few extra features to make mgmt a little easier. The biggest thing I find myself wanting is an indication of what plugs are already present in a custom menu.
Yup that would be worthwhile. I'll add another: I would like (an option at least) that adds newly found, as yet un-categorized plugins to a submenu called "new" (or whatever). This way, when using custom menus, I could use newly installed plugins without first having to add them to a category or temporarily reverting to "default".
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/28 19:17:06
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I'd love to know the ratio of legal Mercury bundle owners to, errr, not so legal Mercury users.
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/28 19:22:00
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Slightly OT, but I had a weird little anomaly with a custom plugin layout recently (Sonar Producer X1a). I'd actually never created my own plugin layout until just recently, but thought I'd give it a try just to make accessing some "favorites" a bit easier. Anyway, I created the layout as instructed, and it seemed to be working fine, then in a certain project I tried to add Kontakt 4 from the custom plugin menu...and Cakewalk TTS-1 came up instead. Tried again, same result. Closed Sonar, created new project to test it, and same result again. Looked at the plugin layout in the plugin manager, checked th properties for the listed "Kontakt 4" and they indicated the proper path and dll, but every time I tried adding it from the menu, TTS-1 came up instead. I deleted the "Kontakt 4" entry and re-added it and all worked normally then.
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/28 19:24:23
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I'll add another: I would like (an option at least) that adds newly found, as yet un-categorized plugins to a submenu called "new" (or whatever). This way, when using custom menus, I could use newly installed plugins without first having to add them to a category or temporarily reverting to "default".
Yep, that's a good idea. However, the current system does more or less force you to be organized and not put it off till later, which in itself could be a good thing. 
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/28 19:26:13
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It is amazing to me that someone who has a $15,000 bundle of waves plugs plus the cost of the others that are on the OP's system and is just now joining this forum (this is his first post) asking such a basic question regarding cake's awesome software.
I wonder just how much real help a torrent user such as this guy expects to get from a law abiding (for the most part) group, such as the ones that are here.
I am not trying to start a problem I just can't imagine how someone who has clearly stolen his software can come in here and act all uppity while asking for help in the same breath.
the answer lies in the "Phuckwad pricipal" I imagine.
Mark
i didnt want to say it...but i was thinking it...cause it bothers me helping someone who steals something i paid for.might not be the case.but its disapointing.
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/28 19:26:35
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Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk]
I'll add another: I would like (an option at least) that adds newly found, as yet un-categorized plugins to a submenu called "new" (or whatever). This way, when using custom menus, I could use newly installed plugins without first having to add them to a category or temporarily reverting to "default".
Yep, that's a good idea. However, the current system does more or less force you to be organized and not put it off till later, which in itself could be a good thing.
That's a very good point.
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Re:Cakewalk X1 Plugin Limitation
2011/03/28 19:28:20
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the thing i would like to see is every plug in with a little meter on it showing how much resourse is going into that plug(cpu)..like guitar rig 4 has at the top right hand window in the gui
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