Rain

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Rain


Which doesn't prevent me from appreciating their talent (before someone start pricking needles in dolls w/ a picture of my face on it. ;)

Well thats just being odd,we all know our avatars are of other people,we used to know.


What did the James Hetfeild picking thing mean? 

Well, you probably know Hetfield and how he has a solid reputation as a rhythm player in his genre - particularly for those fast syncopated rhythms, all downstrokes and such.That particular talent he has can be impressive in itself. But he can also use his other hand and play chords to make things a bit more interesting.

Hip Hop to me is like a guy w/ a phenomenal right hand but no left hand to play chords - so he just strums the E string at 100 mph and do all the crazy syncopated things. 

I prefer when that particular talent (sense of rhythm) is combined w/ an ability to actually sing a melody.

Now I get it,a guy I used to be in a band with,played rhythm using all down strokes but it was not metal.


It was kinda unique music,kinda heavy,kinda pop,kinda countryish at times,but that dude really influenced me to play rhythm properly,especially when recording.


Singing while playing is something I find very difficult but,I was making progress,until recently[no time]
I'm of the belief the male voice gets better with age.

Back in Black isn't exactly a symphony either, but nobody complains about that. Simplicity is often deliberate. 

I think we all have some sort of stereotype about what forms of music goes with what instruments as well...now there are forms of metal that take in folk forms of music...an example...Korpiklanni...violin and accordian in the mix... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt3pTG50nLw

Or...how about throat singing and metal? Ego Falls...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh-yafzptuQ

So, like metal mixtures there is also rap/country...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI8cGOf0Olk


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnSEQx9wkvE&feature=related

yorolpal

 Why is this still here??

There are still a few..... uhmmm.... maybe 1 or 2, that are trying to get their point across.
This has EVERYTHING to do with Sonar X1!
Sonar X1 is THE ONE (and was MADE EXCLUSIVELY) for the Hip Hop Beatz dontchaknow?
Nothing comes close to this beat maker..... nothing can touch it.
It's coming down to where we need a beat off.... who wants to get together and do a beat off? C'mon...  don't tell me you're NOT into a beat off session. I can beat it - you can beat it - we all need to beat it together.... let's beat our stuff guys! c'mon let's beat together! We need to share our talents....  together!

dubdisciple


many of you are under the assumption that even the seemingly "one-dimensional" acts that use the same type of production for every song are necessarily limited in talent, rather than simply making the business decision to do what works. In the video Dappa1 posted, several of those guys are clearly multi-talented. The one guy was amazing on drums and damn good on piano. yet, their songs are not exactly symphonies because they understand the trends (which could easily change) are.

Whatever the decision is based upon... I fully understand having to put food on the table and artistic compromises. But the fact of the matter is, if I restricted myself to such a formula, I would despise myself even more than I dislike the worst hip hop act you can think of. 

I know some multi-talented folks who do hip hop. I know how talented they are, besides their ability to rhyme. But it's not about talent or virtuosity or whatever - though a lot of that hip hop stuff relies heavily on a form of "virtuosity" or special skill - that's what rhyming is, somehow.

Whether the guy is rapping or running scales on a guitar at 200 mph over the same type of beat, I wouldn't enjoy it more. It seems like a fun activity, I just don't see the interest in listening to it. It's way too restrictive.

Someone mentioned Back In Black, and sure it's a simple song. I'm not big AC/DC fan, but I dig rock. There's a diversity to it, even for bands as formula-based as AC/DC can sometimes be. And you probably couldn't mistake AC/DC for The Doors. Or Nirvana. Or Aerosmith. Or Led Zeppelin. Heck, there's probably more diversity on a single Led Zeppelin LP side than there is in the whole Hip Hop-dom, altogether. 

I mean, Back and Black, Stairway to Heaven and Welcome to the Jungle - it's all rock. But if rock was about as diverse as sticking to the Back in Black template, or if Led Zeppelin only played 3 chords blues, I wouldn't dig that much either. These are only ingredients, we can vary the recipe a bit.

You couldn't mistake De La Soul for Public Enemy, nor Kanye West for Jay Z. Nor the Furious Five for Blackalicious. 

The idea that hip hop lacks diversity is making my brain hurt.

How similar are these, really?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKlYQz6dJYM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcW3jiwBPPg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6zH6uMyU9c

You couldn't get three more different sounding records.
 
EDIT: bonus track. Mainstream pop take on it, and still really odd and imaginative:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3j3LD9hNWA

You don't think of Public Enemy and RUN DMC as hip hop? Because they definitely think of themselves that way. This conversation is getting odder and odder. Run DMC not hip hop? What?

rap is something you do, hip hop is something you live, a way of life, culture

to all the cats here dogging hip hop/rap, saying its easy to do or wat ever, i defy anyone of you's to produce something as good as dre or the rza !!

Rain, you personally may not have heard of hip hop way back, but I assure you it certainly did exist, and Run DMC were precisely it. And they certainly don't pre-date it. It was *at least* ten years old by the time they were kicking around.

I picked up the Anthrax thing as an example because I seriously asked myself - was it because I was living in that remote location that the words "hip hop" were almost unheard of? 

But heck, even they (Anthrax) referred to that type of music as "rap" - and they were in the Bronx IIRC, so I guess I'm not the only one not to have thought of Run DMC as Hip Hop. Now I'm being told that it's hip hop, and a way of life, and that rap is a part of the way of life. I'm ok w/ it - simply trying to point out why the terminology got me confused here.

@ rain, krs one broke down hip hop culture as : rappin/mc'ing/beatboxing, dj-ing, break dancing, graphitti art, street knowledge/wisdom, street trade/business,entrenpreneur , fashion as well

I was speaking more to Chregg there. There are of course these micro-distinctions to be made, as there is in any broad genre, but I think it's minutiae, really. And probably just muddies the waters at the level we're discussing it here.

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