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Re:DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO MAKE HIP HOP BEATS??? AND HOW DID YOU LEARN? A
2012/03/14 14:44:01
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John..it is STRONG because I meant it to be. I can freely admit that my judgement may be clouded by having spent the last couple weeks around a bunch of racists who use similar language and tone. They toss out words like humor when called on their actions and words but it's pretty transparent. I'm going to leave the topic alone since there is a good chance the OP was just a troll looking to get just the kind of comments that Amour was more than willing to provide.
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2012/03/14 14:51:36
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John T I can scarcely think of anything duller and less creative than an obsession with "real" instruments. That may be JT, ol pal, because you are incapable of playing one with any degree of virtuosity. But don't get me wrong...I loves me some Eugene Chadbourne playing his electric garden rake with a large bra attached to it as much as the next "non-traditional" instrument lovin feller or gal. But as to the jist of this thread I'd like to ask: WHAT IN H-E-DOUBLE-HOCKEY STICKS IS THIS THREAD STILL DOIN IN THE X1 FORUM??? But please don't move it downstairs...we're out of Glade air fresheners at the moment.
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2012/03/14 14:59:58
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Well, no cigar, I'm afraid. I've played guitar piano and bass for about 25 years. You have somewhat made the same error of judgement here as others in the thread; the assumption that hip hop is made by incompetents who can't do anything else and liked by the same sort of people. I'd put it to you the other way round; I think some people are overly impressed by their own ability to play an instrument, and overvalue the whole "real" instruments thing. But playing an instrument isn't really all *that* remarkable.
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Re:DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO MAKE HIP HOP BEATS??? AND HOW DID YOU LEARN? A
2012/03/14 15:13:36
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Oddly, some of the best musicians I know produce hip-hop. They could produce any genre of music they choose but have a love for hip-hop. Some of them still produce other genres of music. I find a certain irony that the guys most likely to dismiss and make assumptions about the music talent level of those who create hip-hop tend to make music with very limited range themselves. I think John T brings up a good point about the whole deification of "real instruments". The definition of real instrument constantly shifts. Electric guitars and pianos were dismissed by previous generations as not being real. The valved trumpet was considered cheating among purists when first introduced. This guy plays a drum machine live better than some pro drummers do wit ha full kit: http://www.youtube.com/wa...wURLLhs&feature=relmfu
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2012/03/14 15:14:16
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First, I didn't say anything at all about Hip Hop. I quite like some of it. As I do most all other genres and styles. So it is you who've ASSumed too much as well as I have regarding your "talents". But...I have played piano and guitar for over 35 years and have made my living at it (even in Nashville for a goodly time where you must know your stuff) and I would NEVER claim to play with real virtuosity...so pardon me if your "length of service" as it were doesn't change my supposition. No offense intended...I'm sure you're a fine player. Tommy Emmanuel is a virtuoso...not you or I...I'm sure you'd agree. And if you play as well as you intimate and by that know how difficult it is and how long it takes to be simply proficient at an intstrument (traditional or not) I don't see how you can view that as not that remarkable. I meant what I said about ol Eugene...he can flat git it:-)
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2012/03/14 15:24:55
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What I personally find remarkable is the ability to create compelling pieces of music, in any genre. Instrument players do not have any particular monopoly on that, and there are plenty of instrument players, probably a majority, who have no skill in that area at all. Your man Tommy Emmanuel is certainly dexterous, but he's also, to my ears, boring as all hell and a one-trick pony, however slick the trick may be. Virtuosity can be a useful tool in the service of a creative idea, but it's neither necessary nor sufficient for making worthwhile art.
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2012/03/14 15:27:15
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You know, Flavor Flav from Public Enemy is a pretty good guitarist, pianist and drummer. He's never played on any of the records, because that's *not what Public Enemy do*.
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2012/03/14 15:33:28
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One of the big name musicians who has shown the best judgement of what I'm talking about over the years, I would say is Prince. If the idea requires a big band with a massive complex arrangement and everyone playing out of their skins, then he does that. If the idea requires a dead basic drum machine and half spoken lyrics, he does that. He's a serious virtuoso. Can play world class guitarists, pianists, bassists and drummers right off the stage. And a lot of people don't even know this, because virtuosity is never the *reason* why one of his tunes exists.
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2012/03/14 15:37:09
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Well, as they said so many times in "Raising Arizona", OK then. But I'm afraid you've revealed a bit more of yourself than you know ol pal. Something you seem so reticent to do. And I appreciate that sincerely and will keep it here in my pocket. Thanks...honest. PS: You are also the only guitarist I know (and I know many...too many) who would describe ol Tommy like that. I'd keep that to myself if I were you...you might just get laughed out of the session. Tick a lock.
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2012/03/14 15:38:17
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Well, go on, what have I revealed?
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2012/03/14 15:38:40
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I think Eric Clapton sucks ass too, if we're doing sacred cows.
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2012/03/14 15:43:31
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Shhhh. Tick a lock.
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2012/03/14 15:44:24
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Come on man, this is lame. You normally do better than this.
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2012/03/14 15:46:36
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I hate Rush! And I don't like Steely Dan! Beat that, John! ;)
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2012/03/14 15:47:16
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Rush are appalling. To my ears, in my opinion, etc.
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2012/03/14 15:48:06
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Which doesn't prevent me from appreciating their talent (before someone start pricking needles in dolls w/ a picture of my face on it. ;)
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2012/03/14 16:16:52
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"worst kind of racist" great lyrics in this thread taking a short phrase from each post provides many ideas
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2012/03/14 16:38:03
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Rush and ACDC have stupid sounding vocals, and fun music. Most all songs have way simplistic moronic lyrics. Best lyric action these days is in C&W and Rap. And some hardest rock guys are doing some talking. And even the misogynistic and racist bits are amazing collections of phrases and rhymes. (Also: I hate loud snare drums and ride cymbals.)
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2012/03/14 16:40:38
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Rain Which doesn't prevent me from appreciating their talent (before someone start pricking needles in dolls w/ a picture of my face on it. ;) Well thats just being odd,we all know our avatars are of other people,we used to know. What did the James Hetfeild picking thing mean? I ain't no jazz chorder,but I know a few barre chords and some open chords too,my real deal is being a twisted version of myself,and man I wish it would cool down[temperature] here,so I can work in my un-insulated office where my desktop is. Then I can actually record a whole song[gasp!] any way did you check this link,does the OP work for these people? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPV8c9rVQpg&feature=youtu.be What do you think.............complete horror!
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2012/03/14 17:24:14
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Most Blues get boring way fast.
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2012/03/14 17:50:24
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I think a lot of things can get boring pretty fast. That's why I like to listen to all kinds of different things. Even my own scribblings....
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2012/03/14 18:04:38
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bobguitkillerleft Rain Which doesn't prevent me from appreciating their talent (before someone start pricking needles in dolls w/ a picture of my face on it. ;) Well thats just being odd,we all know our avatars are of other people,we used to know. What did the James Hetfeild picking thing mean? Well, you probably know Hetfield and how he has a solid reputation as a rhythm player in his genre - particularly for those fast syncopated rhythms, all downstrokes and such.That particular talent he has can be impressive in itself. But he can also use his other hand and play chords to make things a bit more interesting. Hip Hop to me is like a guy w/ a phenomenal right hand but no left hand to play chords - so he just strums the E string at 100 mph and do all the crazy syncopated things. I prefer when that particular talent (sense of rhythm) is combined w/ an ability to actually sing a melody.
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2012/03/14 18:06:53
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jm24 Most Blues get boring way fast. I think Jimmy Page used to say that blues was so tough to play for that reason - it's hard to come up w/ anything fresh to say w/in the limits of the genre.
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2012/03/14 18:33:36
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Well, I love Rush(pre 1981) but I hate Geddy Lee's vocals. I love the instrumentals. I love ACDC(Bon-Scott). I can't stand Brian Johnson. I love some blues. Eric Clapton was great with Cream but he's overrated as a guitarist. I love Zeppelin and think they are still underapprecated. I don't think they ever put out a bad album. Robert Plant was a bit overbearing at times. Any band, can produce good music. I HATE....DESPISE Duran Duran but they put out that one song, Ordinary World and I never even knew it was them until someone told me. At any rate, I think it's the pop acts that really put a bad light on Rap and Hip Hop in general. Those genres will never win me over but I can appreciate that there is some talent involved with SOME of the acts. So has the OP come back to visit?
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2012/03/14 18:36:59
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try playing guitar on stage as you sing, it is somthing unheard of in hip hop . and anyone notice that 90 percent of hophop beats start with the same 2 bass drum hits always it bump or bump bump. so now the only talent involved is in the vocalist ability to keep that 2 second beat interesting for 3 min so yes hiphop music is nothing more than a basic formula, but hiphop vocalists are masters of the craft. by the way this thread is shocking still on the top.hmm why.
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2012/03/14 18:54:42
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Lil Wayne often plays guitar on stage. Took me seconds to think of that one.
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2012/03/14 18:55:55
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Oh, and there's multi instrumentalist Andre 3000 from outkast too.
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2012/03/14 19:13:20
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brilliant thing about this thread is the OP is gone in the wind, a cracked software user lol haaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaa
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2012/03/14 19:26:14
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The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate. Bushpianos
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