ORIGINAL: Marah Mag

ORIGINAL: papa2004

But I've tired of the BS and constant criticism of a program that actually works quite well for those who've taken the time to learn it...

You tiredness is obvious. But indulge me for a moment. Let's come at it from another angle.

There's a big difference between learning a program and learning to live with it.

Is it possible that criticism of the program isn't based on not having learned it, but rather on having learned it and encountering a limitation, maybe even a limitation of an otherwise advanced feature?

Characterizing criticism as whiney "BS" or a request for needless changes might not reflect on the critic's lack of knowledge, but on the limited use of the program by those who assume such requests come from other's ignorance. The fact that criticisms and suggestions are so commonly dismissed with sage-like references to how it used to be done back in the good old analog days speaks less to experience than to a lack of imagination. DAWs didn't exist in the analog days and those days are gone to all but boutique fetishists. (How should I dither when mastering to vinyl?)

Saying "spend a week in an analog studio to see what it's like" says nothing about a modern DAW, or about the merits of a suggestion, or how well the user has learned the program. But it says a ton about how well you've learned it... but have merely *learned* it... and how you're using it... but are merely using it.

The discussion yesterday about markers, and the idea that "it doesn’t get much simpler than that," and ridiculing the notion that anyone would actually know a project's marker numbers, while helpfully pointing to the marker number pad as a great feature, but ignoring how using it requires that you *do* know the marker numbers... is a nice example of how suggestions for improvements that you're unable to imagine, because of how well you've "learned" the program, sound like BS. It sounds like that because you don't "get" it. Maybe you've learned it too well.

That’s OK. No one is asking you to reply to these complaining BS FR posts. And you wouldn't have to use the feature, on the off chance it gets implemented. And there's little reason to fear that implementation would mess with your workflow, because Cakewalk is unlikely to do anything that would throw off its established user base -- which is WHY certain types of suggestions are so unlikely to ever get implemented. So like, what's the big deal?

ORIGINAL: Marah Mag

Anyone else notice the total disappearance of a certain thread that was active less than 24 hours ago?

It was one of those threads that started off being about when Sonar 8 was coming out. Then it veered off topic and into general silliness because, well, a thread like that really has nowhere else to go, does it? It also took some turns into personal territory when some members commented on the posting style of another member. It was shortly after that that the entire thread was totally removed... not moved to the Off Topic area... not locked... but simply and totally deleted so that links to it now generate an error message.

I find this interesting.

Tons of threads go off topic. Lots of threads are off topic from their first post and continue that way for pages until they die a natural death. Lots of threads, some on topic and some off, get into the posting style of other members, sometimes quite heatedly. And some threads are originated for that very purpose. One such thread, asking who makes the most arrogant posts, is still active, is 7 pages long, and is currently listed on the main Sonar forum page.

I know of a thread from some months ago where, over a two or three hour period, a high-profile member, in an effort to pimp up his Soundclick numbers on the Christian Rock chart, made dozens of posts that directly and explicitly, in language that was both stalker-like and self-righteous, threatened another high-profile member with physical harm. That member was banned for 30 days before rising from the grave. But the thread is still there without a single post out of place.

Yet this thread from yesterday got summarily disappeared.

What was it about that thread that got that kind of attention? Who was able to make that happen? How and when are the terms of service enforced? What does it say about Cakewalk that entire threads on its product support forum can just arbitrarily go bye-bye?

Just thinking out loud.

ORIGINAL: space_cowboy

No john, underground. The hills will go first.

Ever wonder what would happen if someone made a simple arithmetic mistake in the process of modelling out the response of creating a mini-black hole - say they got a sign reversed. Might not catch that one.

Turn CERN on and whoosh.

ORIGINAL: keith

ORIGINAL: jinga8
What the heck is going on? I'm confused. Not dazed. Just confused. Oh well, I'm sure they have a self-de-confusify forum out there somewhere. I'm gonna go find it.

I don't know, man.... All I do know is that Tom Brady has a knee injury... and we're T-3 days to the CERN LHC being turned on and the whole Earth being swallowed from the inside by a tiny black hole:

http://public.web.cern.ch/public/Welcome.html

This thread has covinced me: it's time to head for the hills!

gone to all but boutique fetishists.

ORIGINAL: Marah Mag

ORIGINAL: jinga8
or, perhaps, as "technophobic curmudgeons stuck in the 60's due to too much tripping" (I believe that is the name of their national association)

Hmmm... I always thought their national association was the Affiliated Societies of Surly Hotheaded Often Luddite Engineers.

(sorry... couldn't resist... no offense intended... please DELETE this!)