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Re: Does anyone else here NEVER use console view?
2015/05/20 22:50:52
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I have dual screens with track view on one and console view/popups on the other.
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Re: Does anyone else here NEVER use console view?
2015/05/21 07:32:53
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One technique I find useful when mixing with the Console View is to change the MIDI tracks to narrow view, or hide them entirely. By the time mixing rolls around, the MIDI stuff is pretty much nailed anyway. Also Console View is great for impressing people if you open all the ProChannel modules via Quick Grouping
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Re: Does anyone else here NEVER use console view?
2015/05/21 07:35:22
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Anderton or hide them entirely
Yep, this is exactly what I do. Console View in my setup only shows audio tracks...
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Re: Does anyone else here NEVER use console view?
2015/05/21 17:20:27
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For me the final stage before mixing is to remove all the MIDI tracks. Audio tracks only, and only the tracks that I know I intend to use or are likely to use - so I strip out anything I think isn't going to be needed. This might act as a constraint, but some constraints can be very useful if they help remove indecision. At least I think they can :-)
Before I had two screens I normally had console view sitting in the dock occupying around a third of the screen height (pan knobs downwards if that makes sense). Now I use one screen for each. I don't like mixing without being able to see at least some tracks as I use clip colours to identify sections and seeing them is how I can be sure of where I am in the arrangement. The navigator kind of does the same thing and pre-dock I used it a lot.
Now I mix with tracks in top screen, console in bottom. I can work with just track view but don't like to. I can switch between console and track "mind states" without a problem and console view can show more tracks/busses than track view for a given screen size.
It might just be habit learned when DAWs barely existed of course, but I find console view very useful indeed for fader and pan riding and simply a logical way to do some things quickly and easily.
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Re: Does anyone else here NEVER use console view?
2015/05/21 19:25:00
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Add me to the roster of those who never use the console view. The left monitor is always in track view, the right is for effects, soft synths and the PRV.
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Re: Does anyone else here NEVER use console view?
2015/05/21 19:46:07
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bitflipper Add me to the roster of those who never use the console view. The left monitor is always in track view, the right is for effects, soft synths and the PRV.
Ditto. All in the dock too. The only difference for me is the track view spread across two displays with the dock up only when I need it (which is quite often I suppose)
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Re: Does anyone else here NEVER use console view?
2015/05/21 19:59:04
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I think both are quite useful. But I cannot imagine NOT using Console View. That would take a lot of fun out of it for me :-) But I did come out of analog. On another note, virtually every person that comes over to my "studio" marvels at Console View spread over two 24" monitors. "Wow...do you know what all that stuff does?"
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Re: Does anyone else here NEVER use console view?
2015/05/21 20:30:31
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I have console view on my right monitor. Left monitor is track view and all the other stuff.
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Re: Does anyone else here NEVER use console view?
2015/05/21 20:38:59
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I use the console view purely for the nostalgia.
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Re: Does anyone else here NEVER use console view?
2015/05/21 21:14:05
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Grizzlylip I use the console view purely for the nostalgia.
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Re: Does anyone else here NEVER use console view?
2015/05/21 22:04:54
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Yeah I use console view mostly as others posted for mixing, usually after what I might think taker tracks are dancing together. When Sonar's X series came about, the skyview or what ever the marketers call it, the console view can to track view can easily be toggled back and forth
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Re: Does anyone else here NEVER use console view?
2015/05/21 22:22:24
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donplee On another note, virtually every person that comes over to my "studio" marvels at Console View spread over two 24" monitors. "Wow...do you know what all that stuff does?"
Ha! When I had my old analog studio, I never told my amazed visitors that the console was just the same thing repeated 48 times. I thought this would make me more attractive to the ladies, but it didn't work.
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Re: Does anyone else here NEVER use console view?
2015/05/22 10:37:02
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So the OP asks who NEVER uses the console view and he gets a flood of rationalizations for using it. The internet. Meh!
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Re: Does anyone else here NEVER use console view?
2015/05/22 10:53:28
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2015/05/22 13:02:59
bapu So the OP asks who NEVER uses the console view and he gets a flood of rationalizations for using it. The internet. Meh!
hehe, I think I posted this discussion because I was just wondering if I was missing something by not using CV.. I welcome all of the various answers and they are very insightful!
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Re: Does anyone else here NEVER use console view?
2015/05/22 17:41:06
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There's way too much automation on my tracks for a traditional mixing/console view to be useful. I've never used it. And I've never warmed up to Pro Channel either. In any case my workflow doesn't include a traditional "mixdown" phase. Mixing is part of arranging for me.
post edited by Notecrusher - 2015/05/22 17:49:34
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Re: Does anyone else here NEVER use console view?
2015/05/23 06:45:14
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bapu So the OP asks who NEVER uses the console view and he gets a flood of rationalizations for using it. The internet. Meh!
I welcome all of the various answers and they are very insightful!
I agree. I never realized there were so many different ways people set up SONAR for mixing.
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Re: Does anyone else here NEVER use console view?
2015/05/23 07:23:42
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I use it, but I get why some people don't. I remember in the 90's having my eyes on a spirit folio sx and being excited about the routing options on that. Friends of mine that were making 'tunes' and stuff I liked, didn't really get the point, and when they had to have it it was out of necessity to combines sounds sources. For me it was the hub of the whole set up and the thing that set the sound, even though it wasn't a mixer you bought for anything more than a clean sound, but the access to balancing the sound made the sound. If someone was never exposed to hardware mixers, it may seem such an obscure concept, that having used them we can't fathom.
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Re: Does anyone else here NEVER use console view?
2015/05/23 11:19:17
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donplee ...virtually every person that comes over to my "studio" marvels at Console View spread over two 24" monitors. "Wow...do you know what all that stuff does?"
The #1 reason for using the console view, or for that matter using an actual physical console. It's what visitors/clients expect to see.
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Re: Does anyone else here NEVER use console view?
2015/05/24 01:13:22
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That's the thing isn't it. It doesn't seem to matter from what era a person comes, eventually, clients want to see a mixer. Probably because no matter what the technology is most people have an image in their mind of a big studio with a massive desk prominently occupying the control room.
Even in a modest home studio when folks come around they are most impressed when you show them the console view. Especially with a few Pro Channels open it looks quite the goods.
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Re: Does anyone else here NEVER use console view?
2015/05/24 12:51:38
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I've got Track View on the left and Console View above, right monitor is for plugins, Sound Forge, etc. I use two 22" monitors side by side and a 32" above. I can't picture a workflow that doesn't use CV, but I guess it depends on the material. Many of the projects I work on can get over 100 tracks and TV would be a nightmare! It's funny that so many don't use CV whereas I would love to permanently remove MultiDock and Browser...MultiDock is probably good if you absolutely have to run every interface element at the same time on a 14" monitor but I think we've gotten past that ;) And Browser?? Seriously, I haven't recorded anything yet but I can already browse for it?? A floating Synth Rack is good for me :) Bill
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Re: Does anyone else here NEVER use console view?
2015/05/24 21:31:51
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Cookie Jarvis Many of the projects I work on can get over 100 tracks and TV would be a nightmare!
I'm trying to picture 100 faders in the console view, and it looks like an equal nightmare to me. My projects rarely top 30 tracks, and with the console spread across two monitors (2560 pixels total), I have to scroll a lot to see both ends.
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Re: Does anyone else here NEVER use console view?
2015/05/24 22:31:35
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I create busses for grouping and automation purposes(I do automation in TV ;) ). I like the fact that everything lines up- faders, pan, FX bin, everything is uniform so it's easy for me to work. To be honest I bounce back and forth between TV and CV a lot! :) Bill
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Re: Does anyone else here NEVER use console view?
2015/05/25 03:43:43
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bapu So the OP asks who NEVER uses the console view and he gets a flood of rationalizations for using it. The internet. Meh!
hehe, I think I posted this discussion because I was just wondering if I was missing something by not using CV.. I welcome all of the various answers and they are very insightful!
So there bapu. Nyeh nyeh!
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Re: Does anyone else here NEVER use console view?
2015/05/25 04:17:18
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I use the console view as soon as possible. Once I'm done with sound design, arrangement, and composition, I want to concentrate on the mix. I don't want to see any of those other details unless something doesn't sound right.
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Re: Does anyone else here NEVER use console view?
2015/05/25 10:23:12
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It depends on the project. For Clients, which is normally more audio than midi, I use the CV at the final mixing. Once I'm at that stage I have no reason to return to a track for editing. But fine tuning a mix is easier for me in CV. Pan knobs make more sense in that orientation as example. After more than 30 years of working with that orientation I feel more in control. I think this is the biggest part of the reason for most of us. In track view I put all my Soft synth at the very top. That way in CV they can be made narrow and take up less room. Or hidden if the project gets big. I make all tracks that don't use effects sends narrow. I use colour to group instruments. And yes the client now see's something that makes them feel they are in a studio finally. But I don't bother with CV when I'm just making a backing track or a simple project. Those only have a few tracks so no need to use CV.
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Re: Does anyone else here NEVER use console view?
2015/05/25 10:55:53
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So many work flows for one program, and possibly more. I think I'll revisit my workflow. Lots of good ideas here.
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Re: Does anyone else here NEVER use console view?
2015/05/25 10:59:58
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Yes, many useful ideas! I use both, btw.
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Re: Does anyone else here NEVER use console view?
2015/11/06 15:31:06
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I use most views available in Sonar with the use of the 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 keys on my keyboard to jump between the different layouts I have set up for certain things in my work flow.
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Re: Does anyone else here NEVER use console view?
2015/11/06 17:12:43
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Cactus Music After more than 30 years of working with that orientation I feel more in control. I think this is the biggest part of the reason for most of us.
+1 Worked as a mix engineer for a while so the console view definitely resonates with me. As I've moved more toward using VSTs and DAWS in composition, the track view has been an awesome "addition" to my workflow. Here's how I work... I begin a composition in track view toggling between TV and PRV and CV via the "D" button (as Craig mentioned). While I'm on the multi-dock, the tab key moves me between PRV and the console view. Once the composition is complete, I transition most of the mix duties to the console view. I continue to use the track view (sparingly) for automation and clip edits, but most of the heavy lifting really is carried on in console view. By the way, I've tried screensets (and generally like them), however I think they are a tad slow. Waiting for an update to them so I can incorporate them more into my workflow.
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Re: Does anyone else here NEVER use console view?
2015/11/06 18:26:34
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arlen2133 By the way, I've tried screensets (and generally like them), however I think they are a tad slow. Waiting for an update to them so I can incorporate them more into my workflow. 
Never thought of that but you've banged the head on the nail here. Totally agree.
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