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Downgrading from X2a to X1d
Downgrading from X2a to X1d, seems odd ? But i had it with you X2a , you going into the trash bin forever...... and ever... and we will not meet again.  Sorry X2a you had your chance, you was to agressive and would not quite listen to what i had to tell you now i will put my trust to your little brother X1d he is mutch nicer than you X2a, atleast he works with me :D When your sister X3 grow up to be a fine and nice one, and have what is required ill consider marry her, but only if i can afford her  Your Grandpa and Grandmother also father and mother served me well in the past day's. Now young boy come here... let's do some serious work buddy...
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Hubie J
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Re: Downgrading from X2a to X1d
2013/10/07 11:08:29
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Hiya
Same here, downgraded to X1d last month as its better for my use
will wait a few months before I upgrade if it has any thing better for me and the price is right.
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Re: Downgrading from X2a to X1d
2013/10/07 11:35:30
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Soundblend
Downgrading from X2a to X1d, seems odd ?
But i had it with you X2a , you going into the trash bin forever...... and ever...
and we will not meet again.
Sorry X2a you had your chance, you was to agressive and would not quite listen to what i had to tell you
now i will put my trust to your little brother X1d he is mutch nicer than you X2a, atleast he works with me :D
When your sister X3 grow up to be a fine and nice one, and have what is required
ill consider marry her, but only if i can afford her
Your Grandpa and Grandmother also father and mother served me well in the past day's.
Now young boy come here... let's do some serious work buddy...
I suspect your issues with X2a were due to your system. You're running a fairly old PC, and I'm actually surprised you are successfully running Win 8 64bit with only 2GB Ram.
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Re: Downgrading from X2a to X1d
2013/10/07 11:49:37
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jscomposer
I suspect your issues with X2a were due to your system. You're running a fairly old PC, and I'm actually surprised you are successfully running Win 8 64bit with only 2GB Ram.
Whatever . . . . I bet i could run X3 good enought also, when bug's is fixed. Hope they will put a demo download up sometime. EDIT : Anyway X1d is great.
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Re: Downgrading from X2a to X1d
2013/10/07 11:51:25
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Hubie J
Hiya
Same here, downgraded to X1d last month as its better for my use
will wait a few months before I upgrade if it has any thing better for me and the price is right.
Yupp i can agree with you there, happy music making 
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Re: Downgrading from X2a to X1d
2013/10/07 12:21:54
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I had to abandon X2 and go back to X1 within a few days of getting X2. Never was stable - crashed all the time. X1 was fine. X3 seems to be fine. I have a powerhouse machine set up properly - definitely not the computer's fault.
Keeping my fingers crossed on X3, but so far so good.
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Re: Downgrading from X2a to X1d
2013/10/07 12:28:10
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I found X1d was more stable in a general sense (as in it didn't do freaky stuff every time you did something) but when it crashed it crashed HARD and more often. I've only had a few full on crashes with X2 and when they have happened I was able to reopen the program rather quickly (whereas with X1 I had to wait a while or reboot). I also found X1 to be a lot more difficult to use from a workflow standpoint. Stuff was in weird places and the lack of the zooming features in X2 just made it a pain to do stuff. It was awkward to me. As soon as I installed X2 it was like I instinctively knew where certain things were where with X1 I always had to refer to the manual or ask the forum to perform simple tasks.
BUT with X2 the fact that the screen does weird stuff, data does weird stuff, buttons and other functions seem to only work properly when they feel like it, etc makes it more of an annoyance than X1.
So what do I do? Use a program that isn't nearly as elegant for how I like to work and completely eats my system from time to time but in general responds to input and commands reliably or the one that is really AWESOME in theory and is perfect for my workflow but constantly throws little annoying obstacles in my way in what could be described as death by a thousand cuts?
Or the third option... throw money I don't have at a program that from early reports is nominally better but still exhibiting some of the annoying traits X2 did?
Quite the conundrum to pontificate.
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Re: Downgrading from X2a to X1d
2013/10/07 12:39:34
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This is sad Beep. I can't guarantee a flawless X3 for you but so far X3b has been very solid for not just me but at least the vast majority. What I am saying is this version is superficially like the last but far better in a lot of small ways that add up to a big difference. Don't let the look of it seem the same as before.
CW has gotten it right for this release. I wish you could find a way to be a part of this.
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Re: Downgrading from X2a to X1d
2013/10/07 12:41:45
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Soundblend
Downgrading from X2a to X1d, seems odd ?
When your sister X3 grow up to be a fine and nice one, and have what is required
ill consider marry her, but only if i can afford her
Since I've been with her sister I think the answer is yes. She is an upgrade and I'd much rather go in that direction.
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Re: Downgrading from X2a to X1d
2013/10/07 12:45:22
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john, please could you elaborate on your pc specs, and the sonar functionality you generally use? you seem to have a solid system, your posts are almost always "it works here" but with little extra info... i'm sure it would be useful to other forum users if you would share some insight, help us be a part of the "getting it right" :)
tia
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Re: Downgrading from X2a to X1d
2013/10/07 13:09:54
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☄ Helpfulby lawp 2013/10/07 14:34:12
I built this system some time ago with a Gigabyte MB GA-EP45-UD3P and an Intel Q6600. quad core. 8 GB high speed memory 5 HDs 2 are removable and using an Edirol M-16 DX mixer. 2 Cakewalk UM 3 G MIDI USB MIDI interfaces. A Geforce GTX 550 Ti graphics card.
I have a Cooler Master Cosmos 2000 case that is very quiet with about 8 fans all low speed. A 750 watt Thermaltake Toughpower XT power supply.
Not only is it stable for Sonar but everything else I run.
Of course Windows 8 Pro 64 bit.
When I was looking for components and parts I read all the reviews and checked out all the posts here about what people were doing well with. I made sure I got the best parts and didn't use anything from my old system. I built it with Vista in mind but ran XP for a while. I had no trouble with upgrading to Vista and now Windows 8.
Its getting a little long in the tooth but is still able to run Sonar very well.
I hope this is informative and helpful.
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Re: Downgrading from X2a to X1d
2013/10/07 13:23:47
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@Soundblend - have you tried running X2a as a 32-bit install? I am wondering if it would run with less problems for you.
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Soundblend
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Re: Downgrading from X2a to X1d
2013/10/07 13:50:41
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robert_e_bone
@Soundblend - have you tried running X2a as a 32-bit install? I am wondering if it would run with less problems for you.
Bob Bone
No i have not tried it as 32-bit, anyway i have re-installed windows, and gonna install X1 as soon the windows updates is finished. I deleted the downloaded X2 installation files, also asked in a pm, for cakewalk to remove the downloads of X2 from my account. I gonna stick with X1d until sometime can afford X3, and if i really need it, that's another question. If i can do what is needed in X1d, there is no reason to upgrade, at least for now. Love melodyne then, i have tried it before, that is almost a reason itself to get X3.
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Re: Downgrading from X2a to X1d
2013/10/07 13:57:09
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Hi, John. I think you and I actually have very different needs for the program from what I've gleaned about how you create music. Also some of the things I need Sonar to do is probably a little more heavy handed/brute force type stuff as far as time correction, editing and restoration. If I were simply working on stuff from scratch then it would be a bit more of a workable situation but I do need to work on stuff that wasn't really created under ideal situations or with post production in mind. Basically set up some mics and let 'er rip type stuff. This is why Audiosnap as it is has been a serious thorn in my side and due to the intricate general editing I require having clips freak out and do weird stuff is a problem. If it's just straight up, in time clips that don't need a ton of manipulation things are tolerable/manageable. If I'm trying to rip apart an old multi track session or some live stereo stuff that requires isolation/slicing and dicing/time correction or other heavy processing the problems and glitches become a major hindrance.
If money were no object then X3 would likely already be on my system as well as the base releases of some competitors software. However considering there are certain things I need urgently first due to the nature of my meager "studio" (like a VRM box and proper mastering tools) the idea of upgrading in hopes things will be better seems like a risky and foolhardy endeavor especially considering X3 is still fresh out of the oven, we do not know what the new management is going to do with the company and well... frankly I'm a little miffed about the last year and how X2 was handled.
But my sentiments here were more observations based on submitter's decision to move back to X1. I find myself thinking perhaps I should attempt to do some of the things I need to within X1 to see if they are better but frankly, for the most part, I feel for me that it is a far inferior program. I just... don't like it anymore, at all.
I will however be completely gutting my system and starting from scratch with the help of support (if they'll still accept my calls after all my whinging... lol) and hopefully that will get my dilapidated, fickle, absent minded yet beautiful and endearing mistress X2 behaving more like the companion I need.
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Re: Downgrading from X2a to X1d
2013/10/07 14:09:29
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Whatever support does I am with you all the way no matter what Beep.
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lawp
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Re: Downgrading from X2a to X1d
2013/10/07 14:25:59
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Re: Downgrading from X2a to X1d
2013/10/07 14:27:45
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I used the word "stuff" far too many times in that post.
Stuff.
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Re: Downgrading from X2a to X1d
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Re: Downgrading from X2a to X1d
2013/10/07 14:30:23
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Re: Downgrading from X2a to X1d
2013/10/07 14:30:38
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Re: Downgrading from X2a to X1d
2013/10/07 14:31:39
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Ha! All this internetting has made me gooder at teh acronyms. ;-)
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Re: Downgrading from X2a to X1d
2013/10/07 18:23:04
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Soundblend
jscomposer
I suspect your issues with X2a were due to your system. You're running a fairly old PC, and I'm actually surprised you are successfully running Win 8 64bit with only 2GB Ram.
Whatever . . . .
I bet i could run X3 good enought also, when bug's is fixed.
Hope they will put a demo download up sometime.
Anyway X1b is great.
2GB Ram? Good luck with that. You may as well stay 32bit, seriously. Otherwise there is no advantage.
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Re: Downgrading from X2a to X1d
2013/10/08 05:11:42
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Soundblend
jscomposer
I suspect your issues with X2a were due to your system. You're running a fairly old PC, and I'm actually surprised you are successfully running Win 8 64bit with only 2GB Ram.
Whatever . . . .
I bet i could run X3 good enought also, when bug's is fixed.
Hope they will put a demo download up sometime.
Anyway X1b is great.
X1b was TOTALLY unstable on my system. It wasn't until X1c was released that X1 became a viable platform to work with - and that was running an i7 with 32Gb of RAM And just to say 'whatever.....' makes you sound like a child. Try and be a little more courteous.
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Re: Downgrading from X2a to X1d
2013/10/08 06:05:29
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Down grade??? Does that mean you actually uninstalled X2? Did you also uninstall the updated plugins?
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Soundblend
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Re: Downgrading from X2a to X1d
2013/10/08 06:27:08
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Eeeek sorry guy's , but i meant X1d of course, my fault..  Btw i found out there must be something with ( Bitbridge) in sonar if it not load " certain " 32 bit plugins. I have JBridge and used that to " change " 32 bit plugin to " 64bit " then those plugins work.. So Bitbridge need an good overhaul, its not as good it should be ! Try Audiocation Compressor ( it's 32bit ), and see if it work in X3
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Re: Downgrading from X2a to X1d
2013/10/08 07:02:08
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jm24
Down grade??? Does that mean you actually uninstalled X2? Did you also uninstall the updated plugins?
Yes i re-installed windows completely, deleted X2 and so forth also the installation files of X2, everything is gone.. Now running X1d, and using JBridge, on certain 32 bit plugins that not work with bitbridge.
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Soundblend
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Re: Downgrading from X2a to X1d
2013/10/08 10:30:27
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Anyone tested the Audiocation Compressor in X3 yet? btw those plugins is made by: Christian Budde If it works on X3, they may have fixed the Bitbridge !! If not Bitbridge need to be worked on.. If anyone care to test, it would be great to know if it work thanks Jan
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Re: Downgrading from X2a to X1d
2013/10/08 10:37:00
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Why use a 32 bit plugin compressor when Sonar producer comes with plenty of them in 64 bits.
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Re: Downgrading from X2a to X1d
2013/10/08 11:23:23
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Good question, i guess it has to do with the " taste " how they sound and compress ! As you know i now have X1d, and there's not exactly a huge amount of effect plugins there. there is the Sonitius suite, it's ok but nothing more. Now i am not after a huge collection of plugins, ill rather have a few good ones that i really know. Guess we all have some picture of what kind, of sound we are looking for and hence what plugins we choose to use. if i had the money i would probably get this but it's to expensive for me. Yes Sonar Producer, have a lot of great plugins / channel strip etc, and now also melodyne. maybe later when i can earn some money of recording and mixing i would be able to upgrade to X3, with all the goodies there ! Now for me at present time, it's just a dream but who knows, time may change.
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Re: Downgrading from X2a to X1d
2013/10/08 11:30:58
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There is no point in running 64bit SONAR in 2GB of RAM. 32bit SONAR does not need BitBridge.
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