"Sgt Pepper" was produced using mono, stereo and four track recorders. If your DAW of choice isn't creating your personal Sgt. pepper, maybe it's not the DAW.

Mr Anderton: I have been enjoying your insight since you we're helping us build home guitar effects back in the day. Great success on your continued educational ventures.

Now, I am going to turn off the computer, grab the acoustic, and try to remember how to play. I believe this will help my projects more than this enlightening philosophical discussion.

I just read that article, and I couldn't fault it, it was pretty much the impression I got from the forum when it came out.
 
It was a much calmer roll out than the previous one by a country mile.
 
I even liked the look of some of the new advertised features and tried out the demo.
 
It was nice to see that some of the foundations laid in X1 had some structures built on them, some more complete than others, but enough to see that some actual design strategy has been going on which might not have been apparent at the time of X1.
 
The demo even worked on my machine without any key issues that became apparent during the trial period.  It certainly worked well enough to be able to identify some of the same loose screws that 8.5 has and even well enough to decide there wasn't anything compelling enough to make a purchase just yet.
 
I really hope it continues to improve and Sonar again becomes a world-beater, it's not looking too far off now, I just hope there is enough time and resources left to get that competitive edge back.
 
I certainly couldn't see enough contention in that innocuous article to fuel 6 pages of spleen venting from any corner.
 
I'd also like to sincerely wish you well in your new ventures Craig.

I think comments were more "positive" about X2 than X1 because by X2 people had gotten used to the skylight system.  It doesn't mean that X1 was more buggy than X2.  I'd say the bugs of X2 are far more disappointing.  I'm just hoping cake will fix X2 for us Win7 users.

You're my favorite martyr, Bub. :)

Bub

chuckebaby

there's just too much random garbage spewed in with sonar x1/x2 threads now.it used to be for legit questions for users to ask questions and get help.

It's been this way since X1 was released. The flaming goes up and down over the weeks/months, but it's pretty much been like this from the beginning of the Xx forum.

so what happen?

They changed too much too fast, took away too much too fast, and fixed too little too slow, and some people aren't happy about it. Some people have no problem working around bugs, others expect what they paid for to work. Neither one is wrong.

i think its whats happening in a lot of places not just here on this forum.
its called respect.respect is little and far between now a day.

I think people see things that corporations do as having an air of arrogance and are pretty tired of it, mainly because there's no avoiding it anymore. There doesn't seem to be any concern for what the consumer wants any more. It's all about the people in charge at corporations doing what they can to make the bottom line look better, with really very little concern of the consumer or their needs.

Prime example ... LINK. This company actually apologized and listened to their customers, but honestly ... WTF were they thinking in the first place? Who are these people in charge of these corporations making these decisions?

you used to have to earn respect.that doesnt even seem to work anymore.

Again, this goes back to my previous statement about a companies arrogance. People pay for a product, and they expect it to work. When time and time again the product has bugs, support is dropped, and you're only chance of getting better support is to pay the company more money, and the cycle never ends, people get frustrated. You see this more so with software than anything else because these software developers have gotten away with it for so long that it's become the norm to expect things to be broken to a certain extent, but that doesn't stop people from feeling ripped off about it, because in reality, you are getting ripped off. If it takes Roland completely trashing Sonar and re-writing their DAW code from the ground up, then they should do it, charge for it, and support it. Nobody here would have a problem with that.

i had a very productive night tonight,i know alot of you might not want to hear it but i finished tracking and mixing my new song(i just posted it in the forum"Jack it up") for over 6 hours straight.i didnt have one problem.not one.

now i know x2 isnt perfect but i think its far from having people claiming its broken.

that is a very harsh word to use.
to me broken means..it dont..at all...its broken.

now if you use the word,not working properly..that goes long way with me.cause i can understand that,i can also understand i might not be using some of the same features as some of you and there for things im not using,im not noticing

but G-dm it.
ive spent over 20 hours this past week on 5 songs.
the worst that happen to me was "sonarpdr.exe was running so i couldnt open up sonar.(i imagine it was because the way i closed a project or something.) so rebooted and was back in bizz.

Gee Chuck, who said X2 was broken? And why wouldn't anyone want to hear that you finished tracking? You need to calm down a little man. btw ... I've spent more time than you have in X2a this week.

i think we have a lot of fun here at this place.
but i do think sooner or later if the big dogs are poping in reading our threads are going to say one thing "Are we paying for this forum" ?
there going to say its an eye sore and remove it. 

think about it,if you were someone up there in roland managment reading this forum,would you let it go on?

Coming from a corporate environment myself, I'd venture to guess they agree with a lot of things that are said here, and let them ride because they can't say it themselves. So, I wouldn't worry about the forum being shut down.

there will always be new users,its a buisiness.
dont think because youve had 5 paid upgrades your family.its a buisiness.

Exactly. It is a business. They take a consumers money for a product and the consumer expects it to work. Funny how that goes isn't it?

there was no need to start this thread like you did glenn.
if your miserable in life,go find another hobby.
or learn to discuss a topic in a more mature manner.

The thread didn't get out of hand until post #4. That's when it started deteriorating. I personally feel that you're barking up the wrong tree, but I respect your opinion.

your post above qoutes me 9 times bub.
9 TIMES ! who quotes someone 9 times? who?
are you serious? when was the last time i quoted you bub? hmmm?
i havent you know why man? because i had respect for you.
i wasnt going to pick apart your posts and quote you with what i think is the right or wrong way to go about things.
i had a lot of respect for you up untill these last few posts.
 
i honestly thought you might come to your sense a little bit and say wow,i quoted him 9 freakin times.
and when was the last time chuck stood up in the forum and called me out?
a long time bub,a very long time.
but for some reason,you walk around with a lit match burning down every bridge you cross.
its nice to have someone have your back once in awhile in here man.
even before people were laying in to you about telling craig his video belonged in the song forum,
i was the first one to say you were right.ya,i stuck for you.
and for what? for this?
 
in this one thread alone youve got over 25 posts.
it would be nice to let others speak a bit,rather than just replying to every single post.
i will give you benifit of the doubt though,i say over 25,but like 8 of those were just the same lines either:"im the bad guy"
or "Id like to post but i dont have permission"
 
im going to do my thing here on the forum and i think you will continue to do yours.
but from now on when someone is ganging up on you,maybe ill qoute a few of your ealrlier posts to make you realize why people were ganging up on you.and lay it on a bit so you understand how this works.
 
i was letting you be you and not qouting you when i thought what you were saying was garbage.
but this is like the third time youve either called me out of picked apart one of my posts.
 
you know the funny part of this thread is.
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2781820
 
GlennP says:
"Bub... I thought you would get a chuckle out of this, "left of field" how true!
I think this is empirical evidence that a parallel universe exists indeed"
 
whats that say?
 
 
 
your not my friend,im just another example you can make out of someone.
 
 

since this thread turned into a steaming pile of poop. I'll ad mine too.

Who Cares anyway...


I spoke with my monies. I've spent a lot (for me) on cake products only to be let down time and time again.
hey Cake, did I upgrade?  _ _
will I in the future?  _ _

moving on...


peace..


Out!

 I just realized I've WASTED a 1/2 hour reading a lot of snarky drivel and arrogant whining. What did I learn? Nothing!! And I'll never get that 1/2 hour back ... what I waste. But for that I only have myself to blame. (So it's back to work - bye y'all.)

Saxon1066


I think comments were more "positive" about X2 than X1 because by X2 people had gotten used to the skylight system.  It doesn't mean that X1 was more buggy than X2.  I'd say the bugs of X2 are far more disappointing.  I'm just hoping cake will fix X2 for us Win7 users.

I'm afraid I disagree. For me, and many other users, X1 was completely unusable right up until the X1c patch was released.

X2, whilst it does have a number of bugs, was working straight out of the box.

It's the trauma of X1 what did it.....

Bristol_Jonesey

Jonbouy

The demo even worked on my machine without any key issues that became apparent during the trial period.  It certainly worked well enough to be able to identify some of the same loose screws that 8.5 has and even well enough to decide there wasn't anything compelling enough to make a purchase just yet.

I'm glad you posted this Jon. There seems to be a widely held belief that 8.5 was completely stable and totally bug free.

That wasn't the case and I lost a fair bit of stuff due to random crahses, BSOD's and suchlike.

Did you update your drivers? Firmware? Reinstall Windows XP? Reinstall Sonar?

8.5 worked fine here. No crashes.

Bristol_Jonesey

Jonbouy




The demo even worked on my machine without any key issues that became apparent during the trial period.  It certainly worked well enough to be able to identify some of the same loose screws that 8.5 has and even well enough to decide there wasn't anything compelling enough to make a purchase just yet.

I'm glad you posted this Jon. There seems to be a widely held belief that 8.5 was completely stable and totally bug free.

That wasn't the case and I lost a fair bit of stuff due to random crahses, BSOD's and suchlike.

 
It's just a progression of the very same DAW!
 
You missed the point, some of the loose screws in X2 are the same ones that have managed to escape being fixed since 8.5.
 
That's not to say there ain't plenty of new ones either. 
  
 
They don't release a NEW DAW every cycle, they cut bits out, add new bits and old bugs remain, new ones get introduced then we go through another whole development cycle where many of them eventually get fixed and the release becomes relatively stable only for the whole cycle to repeat itself.  Many niggles and issues survive the process and migrate through version to version. 
 
Too many of them for me to think it is of sufficient quality to purchase yet.  It is the area of quality that became so frustrating to me that I stopped upgrading until it got seriously addressed.  My software maintenance spend currently goes to vendors that deal effectively with the quality issues involved in producing content creation software and ship robust product.
 
I'm so familiar with the bugs in 8.5 to the point I use workarounds that I don't even remember they are workarounds anymore.  Hence I get very few nasty surprises by now.
 
That is the only reason I'm still a happy Sonar user, I love the program and use it daily.  If I'd have gone through the heartache that's been apparent here and on the forums where ex-Sonar users turn up since X1 arrived I'd have given up by now too. 

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