Electronic Musician…

That's so far out in left field, I'm flabbergasted. I honestly don't even know what to say.

It had to be one hell of a quick glance, at one post, by only one poster that I can think of.

I think he is accurate in that statement. Remember that if you look closely most threads are more or less how to do something. Their are those that will post in any thread their displeasure but they are much the same people.  Then we had a troll attack that has been cleared up. I think you can already see a major difference in the tone of posts. 

I'm not saying that X2 is without flaws but at this time after X1 one was released it was far and away worse on this forum.

Measure it that way I think Mr. Anderton is right. I think he filtered out all the noise and is reporting what is left. The noise being trolls and a few unsatisfied customers.

Even those that have said they like X2 bash it. Its hard to figure out for the casual forum member what is really going on. Couple that with a wish for better forum software and its easy to see discontent almost everywhere.

Yet I see plenty saying how much they like it and others saying how trouble free it has been for them. I am not discounting the few left with real problems they just are not as many as one may be lead to believe. 

I like the new X series.  I like many of the new features and updates.  BUT...X2 is not a stable release like, say, 8.5 was.  Not by any means.  It has all kinds of quirky bugs and anomalies.  For many folks.  I've chosen (so far) to work through them as I usually do.  But I certainly hope that X "whatever" gets more stable and usable.  Mine seems to be inhabited by devilish gremlins that hate me.  Go figure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmYmvE2RCA4

Has anybody forgot the grief of X1, when most of us were complaining we couldn't find the space bar in the new model DAW?  Everybody was complaining about basic stuff - shortcuts changing, where the hell is the meter options, everything Cake moved around.  In comparison, x2 is a smoother rollout.

Plenty of bugs and anomalies and nonsense in X2 - actually more than in X1 for me.  But nothing showstopping and certainly not as aggravating as X1.

That is how I see it, anyhow.

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It's a lot smoother for me than 8.5 was and I can get lower latency too. The LP64 is fixed which is very nice. And it is nearly gapless which 8.5 was most certainly not.

yorolpal


I like the new X series.  I like many of the new features and updates.  BUT...X2 is not a stable release like, say, 8.5 was.  Not by any means.  It has all kinds of quirky bugs and anomalies.  For many folks.  I've chosen (so far) to work through them as I usually do.  But I certainly hope that X "whatever" gets more stable and usable.  Mine seems to be inhabited by devilish gremlins that hate me.  Go figure.

Totally agree with the above.
 
But for live work I still use 8.5.3. It’s like an old reliable rock solid friend that never lets you down.

Bub

GlennP 

Bub... I thought you would get a chuckle out of this, "left of field" how true! 

The problem with all of this is, you can't dispute the man without coming off like an a**hole. 

We all know his article isn't accurate ... but if you say anything, then you're the bad guy, know what I mean? 

LOL. 

Not necessarily the "bad" guy, just the guy who doesn't bother to do research...unlike the guy who writes articles and has his name on the line.

I stand by what I said. The article is indeed accurate; consider the timeline, go back to those dates in the forum, and check out the posts compared to the posts an equivalent amount of time after X1 was released.
That article was published in the January 2013 issue, which means the deadline was the first week of October 2012. Go back to the forum right after Sonar X2 was released, and check out the initial impressions. You'll find, as did I, that many initial impressions were indeed quite favorable - especially compared to the initial reaction to X1, which from day one, was generally extremely negative. It only took me a couple minutes (just to be fair, I did only a quick glance as per the original article...didn't search on complimentary words or anything) to locate lots of comments like the following.


DJ Wayne:

I just completed the install of X2, only took about 45 minutes which included registering all the components, a sound check with an X1 project, a midi check and, some lunch, all is well !!!

I love the auto zoom !!

X2 loads up really fast on my computer. :)


Slumbermachine:

I upgraded my X1 to X2 yesterday and I must say that everything that was annoying about working in X1 seems to have been improved. The workflow of X2 is ten times better! I did run into a few bugs, so cakewalk does have some work to do on patching, but nothing that was completely deadly. The interface is really pleasing on the eyes and feels plush, like driving a luxury car vs. a mid sized sedan. Congrats to the cakewalk team from a customer that has been with you since the dos versions in the 80s! Great release!

Jason r:

Exactly how I feel about it. Some bugs I have as well, like if I hover over the presets bar in pro channel it won't display until I press stop, and other minor shortcomings, but as a whole very much enjoying X2


ChipMichael

Ok... This is the best upgrade I've ever experienced.

X2 does all the things I do in X1, added some new features I really like (and already using) in X2 and didn't created a whole new learning curve with the features I know and love.

The upgrade from 8.5 to X1 was painful, frustration and numerous times I was tempted to go back and never purchase another Cakewalk product.  I was happy with 8.5, but not at all pleased with X1.  However, eventually, I found my way around the product. After 3 months of stagnation I was back to being productive.

THRILLED TO BE PRODUCTIVE FROM DAY ONE with SONAR X2.


Synkrotron:

So far, despite some minor issues, I am really enjoying X2 and I've only gone back to X1 to check the odd thing or two out.


Chuckebaby:

IM LOVIN LIFE WITH X2 !!!!

having alot of fun..less posting hre on the forum and more making music.
great thread man.


Zonno:

I am under the impression that X2 is a little bit more gapless than X1.


Steve C:

Definitely seems so here. Not 100%, but I do get gapping less frequently and when I do they tend to be less obtrusive. I like that I can drag a synth into the TV without stopping, and only the multi-out versions seem to have a noticeable effect.


Furthermore, there's more to life than forums. I queried Cakewalk about calls to tech support, complaints made directly to Cakewalk, and bug reports submitted. They said all of those were a trickle compared with X1.

A comment like "we all know the article isn't accurate" might explain why you come off like you say you do. Then again, I think you're the guy who said it wasn't appropriate to post a link to a particular video, but didn't actually watch the video before coming to that conclusion.

Bub


 It had to be one hell of a quick glance, at one post, by only one poster that I can think of.

Here's what constitutes a quick glance, for those with any vestigial curiosity about the kind of effort that goes into writing an article. It's a technique I often use to gauge sentiments about updates and such, and by no means just in this forum, although that's what I'll reference.


I looked at threads that specifically had X2 in the title, and preferably, had general titles that like "So what do you guys think of X2 so far?" or "Is it safe to install X2 yet?" If a thread said something like "Transport won't stop at end of song," I didn't take the time to open it as I didn't know if it applied to X2 or X1 (or even 8.5), and it would have taken time to find out. Also, if there was a thread like "TH2 Sux Donkey Ballz compared to GR4," and buried in post #34 someone said "Yeah, it sux dude, just like X2 being the worst rollout in the history of software," I would not have caught it. But that cuts both ways. There would probably be posts about how much the person enjoyed X2 in the middle of an unrelated thread.

This is why I said "quick glance," not "detailed metrics and statistical analysis of the forum, based on rigorous scientific methodology."

GlennP


Electronic Musician… 
"A quick glance at the Cakewalk forums find most users are not only very pleased, but calling X2 the smoothest rollout yet.”

Yeah! Right! Can someone please direct me to this other forum that Craig Anderton is talking about please, because I only know of this forum.

No problem, always glad to help! You can find the quotes I referenced previously in this forum.

I lol'd

..at post #20

And on the bright side, think about it...the thread title says "Electronic Musician," so that's a nice plug for the mag right there. Then if people read the posts, they find out why non-clueless people judge my articles as credible.

As the old saying goes..."I don't care what you say, just spell my name right." And, credit where credit is due: The OP did in fact spell "Electronic Musician" correctly.

I might bump this thread tomorrow just to give the mag some more plugs. Cool! And there's a bonus: When people see my sig, some of them subscribe to my YouTube channel. You gotta know how to leverage publicity

I thought your articles in Transoniq Hacker were very credible.
You & Sam Mims.


Howz that for a blast from the past

Bristol_Jonesey


Was X2 a smoother rollout than X1? Absolutely, by a huge margin
Was X2 a smoother rollout than 8.5? Yep. 8.5 didn't get together properly until 8.5.3
Was X2 a smoother rollout than 8? Yep - 8 was buggy as hell for a long time

Agreed on all fronts from file delivery to code execution.

SONAR GOOD!