e.Blue

ba_midi

e.Blue

ba_midi

I didn't say the other DAWs did it the same way or better or worse.  So no biting please eB :)

The concept is not new, that was my point.   Example 1:  Ableton Live (racks, as well as chains);  Example 2: Studio One Pro (FX Chains though no custom user interface yet).

I've also been stating I think CW's approach is well done.

In that case, I'll stand by my original statement: ground-breaking! It's definitely not "catching-up" especially considering that they've already had FX Chains.

I'll stop biting when you stop fishing for reasons to not give these folks their due credit... 


-e.B

Yikes eB - what are you talking about?  In almost every post about "Expanded" I have, in some way, made very positive statements.    I'm not a fanboi (anymore) but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate the good work put into the FX Chain and Expanded.

It's interesting how one of the consequences of the entire X1 original bad rollout scenario is that it has pinned a lot of people on this forum against each other.  I think unreasonably so, frankly.

My not being a fanboi applies to ALL developers these days, not just CW.   But - again - that does not mean I won't or don't give credit where it's due.

Please re-read my recent posts before you make that assumption in the future, thank you.

I'm not 'fishing' for anything.  Period.

Billy you do realize that I was joking right? Just like you were joking with the 'no biting please' statement. 

I will admit that I'm not very good at internet sarcasm, and the 'fishing' metaphor may have been a poor choice of words. All I know is that having spent the better part of the last year getting very familiar with Cakewalk's competition, I now know without a doubt that SONAR is the best DAW out there...for me.

My apologies if you took offense...

Peace,

-e.B

eB in all honesty I didn't get that you were joking.   I wish I had.

But I thank you for taking the time to explain, and I appreciate that.

I'm gonna go have a bite (of dinner) now lol.

Seriously - I'm glad we can resolve this so civilly.   Thank you for that.

And, in the context of what DAW is best (I wouldn't want to actually pick one, they are all good in many ways) -- ever since I installed Expanded I have had X1 running on my main system and (other than one crash due to changing screensets rapidly) it's been quite a different experience.

So obviously I still do have some desire to get to the point where "Sonar X1" would be my go-to DAW - if/when it can be.   Expanded has certainly moved me closer to that possibility.

Ok - now on to my bite of my fish dinner :P

ba_midi


Heh, funny Dave - I was going to edit my post to include the desire for the SOLO button as well !
Ya beat me to it :)

Sounds like we need to make some feature requests, Billy! 

 None of the other customers attacked me for my choice not to buy today. The store keeper wished me good day and said see you soon. He wasn't offended that nothing tickled my fancy today, he's a good Greengrocer, he knows I'll be back. 


Some of the guys around here are like people at the greengrocers who don't buy anything but stand around all day and point out ad nauseam how pitiful the shop is compared to the one down the road that opened in2004.

One thing that is better is the VST scan. I thought Sonar was broken when scanning my VSTs. It was really fast!!

mudgel

ba_midi

cryophonik

ba_midi


Heh, funny Dave - I was going to edit my post to include the desire for the SOLO button as well !
Ya beat me to it :)

Sounds like we need to make some feature requests, Billy! 

Aw go on and do it, if you like  - I'm still playing with X1 :)   This is absolutely the longest I've gone without having serious issues with it.

Somebody put some good gre-gre-gumboyaya in Expanded I think LOL

Apparenty though, according to Willy there is nothing "fixed"in X1 that isn't part of Expanded itself so any notion that X1 Expanded is running better must be placebo.
I have to admit that Expanded has my X1 running longer between hiccups. And that's saying something considering that X1 has only worked for me since X1c came along. Mind you a few things have been broken by Expanded so maybe what has prevented things workingly properly for me has indadvertently been fixed.
 

Well Mike, I doubt it's simply a placebo effect at this point.   I literally couldn't go for more than 30 minutes or so without a crash from X1 on my "main system prior to installing "Expanded."    That is fact, plain and simple.

Other than 1 crash from changing Screensets too rapidly (others seem to have this issue as well) and one crash that I'm pretty sure is a bug (which I'll report) regarding REX loops (and easily avoidable btw), I was able to work for 2 LONG days and nights in X1C-e pretty smoothly -- which is something I've NEVER been able to do previously on the main system.

I have kept up with the updates all along, even though I wasn't using X1 regularly (hardly at all, frankly, other than to see if it had improved).  At no other time have I been able to get this far this long in a "reasonably" stable manner.

SO either the gods of all electronic bits and bytes have put a spell on my main system or something changed due to the Expanded installation.

BUT - and perhaps more importantly - I am actually able to use and work with X1 at this time.   I even had fun last night doing so.   That is a huge change here.

The only other changes to my "main system" have simply been installing other software (plugins), and nothing else.  So unless one of the other plugins did something that allows X1 to run reasonably well on my main system, I'd have to blame Expanded for the improvement.

ba_midi

Beagle

cryophonik

ba_midi


I think it'd be nice to be able to access FXC2 presets directly from within the GUI similar to how we do it now for other FX plugins.

Yeah, I definitely agree.  That actually had me a bit confused the first time I opened a blank FX chain.  Also, as I mentioned in a different thread, having the solo et al. buttons on the FX chain window (i.e., like the plugin windows have) would be a convenient feature.

I downloaded Expanded last night but only had just a few short minutes to play with it, but I thought the fxc presets were available just by clicking on the little icon at the top of the PC?  or are you saying that's what you don't like?  and that' you'd prefer the old GUI with the field and the save icon next to it?

Beags, are you talking about the FX CHain or the PC / PC gate thing?   Dave and I were referring to the FX Chain GUI.  It doesn't have a "preset" load/save within the GUI itself like all other FX plugins do in Sonar.

Yes, the PC itself has that widget/icon to save/load, but FX Chain 2.0 does not.

OH!  that's where I got confused!  I thought you were talking about the PC thing.  I have not yet had time to play with the FX chain.  my bad!

Beagle

ba_midi

Beagle

cryophonik

ba_midi


I think it'd be nice to be able to access FXC2 presets directly from within the GUI similar to how we do it now for other FX plugins.

Yeah, I definitely agree.  That actually had me a bit confused the first time I opened a blank FX chain.  Also, as I mentioned in a different thread, having the solo et al. buttons on the FX chain window (i.e., like the plugin windows have) would be a convenient feature.

I downloaded Expanded last night but only had just a few short minutes to play with it, but I thought the fxc presets were available just by clicking on the little icon at the top of the PC?  or are you saying that's what you don't like?  and that' you'd prefer the old GUI with the field and the save icon next to it?

Beags, are you talking about the FX CHain or the PC / PC gate thing?   Dave and I were referring to the FX Chain GUI.  It doesn't have a "preset" load/save within the GUI itself like all other FX plugins do in Sonar.

Yes, the PC itself has that widget/icon to save/load, but FX Chain 2.0 does not.

OH!  that's where I got confused!  I thought you were talking about the PC thing.  I have not yet had time to play with the FX chain.  my bad!

Nah, you're not bad Beags, "you're good - you're very good" (say that in the Robert De Niro voice in Analyze This lol).

SO either the gods of all electronic bits and bytes have put a spell on my main system or something changed due to the Expanded installation.

 
Perhaps the thing(s) causing issues prior to Expanded happened to be the same things that were fixed as part of the new Expanded feature set.    What?  It could happen...   
 

Jonbouy

But it's not a Combinator, it's FX Chain 2.0 and is its own beast with strengths that are not even possible in Combinator. The two shouldn't be compared, it's like apples vs oranges.

So how does it differ apart from controlling VST's rather than Reason devices and FX chains 2 lacking multi-parameter support?  Don't forget this is a lack because I was already informed that the original concept included multi-parameter support, the architecture is there but there was insufficient time to implement it on this release.  Noel to his credit explained this to me openly and clearly.

Apples is apples but maybe there IS something I'm not seeing.  But I've read Noel's rundown there watched the video so it must be pretty well hidden.

Yes Jonbouy, there is something you're not seing: FX Chains in Sonar X1 and how far away from a dumbed down, not-up-to standards feature they are. Seriously man, go visit a friend or something who has it and see how they perform. They're not as silly as you make them. If you travel to Norway before you get the chance, let me know and I'm happy to let you come and play in my studio - and I mean that. I always have a beer in the fridge for a traveling Englishman
 
But I do see your point as well and I understand what Noel said. I read the same thread, and I'm pleased to see that the developement isn't closed on the FX Chain 2.0. Can you imagine how cool they will become? I mean, already it's something to be thrilled about - if you give it a chance (). I won't argue against you saying there's room for improvement and if I've given you a hard time for not owning X1 I sincerely apologize. I'm not concerned whether you think X1 and/or Expanded is worth the upgrade. I don't care about that and I am glad that people have an opinion about X1. You do make a valid point, here and elsewhere in these forums. Just saying that when it comes to the FX Chains you are right about the specs - but wrong about the usefulness. Just saying. Anyways, let's leave it at that, Many folks here are happy with them and are already sharing their presets (or are they?) - I say it's worth the upgrade. People are different.
 
With Respect.
 
Have a great weekend.

daryl1968


Used a couple of tweaked FX Chain 2.0 presets last night for 'spot fx' in a track I am finishing off - very nice and time saving too. Almost felt like i was cheating but what the hell.

He he, cheating. Sure. What isn't in a DAW? (as if you play 'full string orchestra')  When you tear into the anatomy of these FX Chains you really see the creative potential in them. The ones suplied are cool and I've picked up a lot from what Cake has done, but creating your own is where the strenght is. Let's hope they set up a patch exchange database

Anyone who uses Nebula for EQs will see the value of FX Chains straight away. 

ProjectM

ba_midi

stevec

SO either the gods of all electronic bits and bytes have put a spell on my main system or something changed due to the Expanded installation.

Perhaps the thing(s) causing issues prior to Expanded happened to be the same things that were fixed as part of the new Expanded feature set.    What?  It could happen...   

And it did ;)

Wow! You're in an unusual chipper mood regarding Sonar X1 these days Billy Glad to see that you two are getting along now

Heh,well it's not really about mood ...  it's about the software working reasonably on my system.  No doubt that can affect one's mood eh? ;)

There are still things I don't like in X1, but c'est la vie on that;  however there are things I do like.   So for me, it's about being able to use the tools the software provides.

And, amazingly - I've been using X1 ALL day today, again without any "major" issues.   That just makes life easier when things roll along nicely.

I am seeing some things I think "might" be bugs, but I'm not going to get into that (ie, debugging mode) at the moment.  I'd rather just make more music and live with whatever little bugs I run into - and get to know the software deeper/better.   Then at some point I'll go back to being a 'bug reporter' if need be lol.

I meant that Nebula EQs usually only cover one function, like low shelf, high shelf or frequency ranges. You need to load a separate plugin instance for each one, so chaining them up and using the custom knobs makes great sense to create an all in one EQ unit with the lovely analog sound of a Neve or Trident desk. 

That's something that Acustica haven't done yet. 

backwoods


 None of the other customers attacked me for my choice not to buy today. The store keeper wished me good day and said see you soon. He wasn't offended that nothing tickled my fancy today, he's a good Greengrocer, he knows I'll be back. 


Some of the guys around here are like people at the greengrocers who don't buy anything but stand around all day and point out ad nauseam how pitiful the shop is compared to the one down the road that opened in2004.

Yes- there are quite a few of those-2 in this thread alone. To be able to chain FX and have instant control of 6 parameters instantly is a bad thing? It's just window dressing? Bull S**t .friggin' cry babies will never stop and let some of us enjoy the product we choose to use. Personally I think that sucks and it's always the same folks. Inconsiderate to the max.
 

Billy is also reporting better experiences with expanded so perhaps there is something in it. Who knows with software though, you've only got to look at the vastly different experiences of users since X1's release to be completely confused.