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Re: Fastest way to rename clip? 2016/06/15 12:47:20 (permalink)
yeah, but if the "customise right-click menu" still existed, it's a win-win ;-)

 
Exactly!  Customisability is a huge selling point for applications. Even games these days allow heavy customisation, in the form of options, key mapping, and mods. If game studios can do it, then why can't Cakewalk?  They did it for 8.5.3, so unless those programmers no longer work for them (perhaps all the nerdy 8.5.3 programmers were replaced with sexy X1 programmer/designers), it shouldn't be hard.
 
Not everyone bothers to customise applications (just like not everyone is willing to write CAL scripts).  However, there are some of us who routinely customise the programs we use frequently, and we would greatly appreciate the ability to modify UI of Sonar to more efficiently suit our needs. 

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Re: Fastest way to rename clip? 2016/06/15 13:00:36 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby BobF 2016/06/15 13:35:54
Feature requests would be a contender for slowest way to rename a clip
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Re: Fastest way to rename clip? 2016/06/15 14:10:27 (permalink)
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Feature requests would be a contender for slowest way to rename a clip


I don't know - the OP says he has suffered with the X series for 5 years. If he put in a FR today - we can all meet back here in 5 years to see.

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Re: Fastest way to rename clip? 2016/06/15 14:21:09 (permalink)
ikontact started a feature request thread about this. Can't hear a squeaky wheel over all the crickets (tinnitus?). Might take longer than 5.
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Re: Fastest way to rename clip? 2016/06/15 14:52:24 (permalink)
8.5.3 is a dead end. CAL is still functional but not supported and not guaranteed to work forever. The OP doesn't like the way Sonar has developed and that's fine. There are other options. Why not get Duckbar. It will allow you to create a customized button bar and do all sorts of UI hacking. Check it out. That's the best way forward.
 
If the OP wants change, it's waiting for him. Lots of solutions have been presented but he doesn't want them. What he seems to want is for Cakewalk to say that they've made a big mistake and will put things back to the way they were. It's never going to happen.

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Re: Fastest way to rename clip? 2016/06/15 15:25:04 (permalink)
What he seems to want is for Cakewalk to say that they've made a big mistake and will put things back to the way they were.

 
No, I want them to add back UI customisabilty.  The rest of X1/2/3/Platinum is fine (except for the piano roll misaligned bug).
 
Here are examples of what I would like to see:
 
1) add back the Menu Editor which they had in 8.5.3 (a custom right-click menu is similar to the custom panel in the control bar, but has the advantage of being closer to the object you are editing)
 
2) add Rename Clip to the top menu  (so that it can be keymapped or at least bound to a right click menu or custom control bar)
 
3) add back the option to show ALL note velocities if NO notes are selected (to match both the documentation, and the pre-Platinum behaviour)

4) add back the option to open note properties by right clicking (instead of double-clicking)
5) add back the option to adjust timing and transposition in each track itself (not the inspector), so that you can see them for all tracks at once
 
6) add option to save current quantize settings with the project  (so that you don't have to select a custom quantize preset each time you restart Sonar)
 
7) add option to restrict the Clean Audio searching to a specific directory tree (instead of scanning the whole computer)
 
8) add ability to modify colours of more UI elements (e.g., scroll bar slider)
 
9) add more objects to CAL (such as clip properties), so that those of us who want to customise Sonar further, can do so
 
10) add option to adjust quantize, nudge, and snap to grid all at the same time (e.g., different settings for different time signatures and degrees of swing)

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Re: Fastest way to rename clip? 2016/06/15 15:26:21 (permalink)
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it seems to me that the most reasonable approach is to have fully customizable menus and toolbars; to the point of being able to create complete toolbars that can be instantiated via hotkeys and/or context.

 
Yeah.  This is what I've been whining/squeaking/spamming about since X1: bring back the UI customisability that we had in 8.5.3.

 
I already explained why this is not as simple as you think, so in the spirit of this thread, I'll repeat it: in the X series, to reduce menu clutter, functions specific to specific views have function-sensitive menus - e.g., track view has mini-menus that are specific to track view. That way you do not have to deal with commands for, say, Console view while concentrating on track view. The bottom line is that menu items are no longer restricted solely to the menu bar, and as a software developer, I'm sure you understand that if the underlying structure behind a functionality has been altered extensively, you can't just paste a band-aid from how the functionality used to be over it. 
 
If you had been paying attention to the information on planned updates, you would have seen that "The future of workspace customization is coming to SONAR this fall, with innovative options that let you adapt SONAR to your unique needs and workflow." This is an overhaul of customization that is built on a new foundation, which takes time to implement.
 
So, you can complain that SONAR doesn't do exactly what you want to do and demand a solution that will distract the company from doing a proper job on an overhaul that takes into account the underlying structural changes, or you can be patient and let Cakewalk pursue its goal of proper workspace customization. It's obvious from what Cakewalk says about Workspaces they have indeed paid attention to the people who want more customization, so I don't know why there's a hue and cry about Cakewalk not listening. 
 
However as a touch screen user, I must say it has been worth reading this thread just to find out about Shift+I.
 
Let's face it: Like it or not, the music business rides on the coattails of consumer electronics, and is at its mercy. Desktop sales continue to fall, including the Mac, and are projected to continue falling. Laptops are falling as well. Shipment of touch screens continues to grow at a rapid rate, and while in some ways touch at present may seem like a novelty, the technology is young and exploitation of it will become more sophisticated in the future (you need look no further than GeoShred for a tantalizing glimpse of that future). Right-click is not a growth industry; SONAR is a tiny subset of the world of computers. Better to re-design customization that will be relevant in the future rather than try to prolong a past whose relevance is diminishing more with every passing quarter.

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Re: Fastest way to rename clip? 2016/06/15 15:46:29 (permalink)
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ikontact started a feature request thread about this. Can't hear a squeaky wheel over all the crickets (tinnitus?). Might take longer than 5.


Already voted for it - as I had for previous similar FR's. (If your reference was to me and - that I couldn't hear the squeaky wheel - sometimes you have to just turn off a particularly annoying sound that goes on and on and on... my hearing (otherwise) is just fine, thanks)

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Re: Fastest way to rename clip? 2016/06/15 16:41:09 (permalink)
"If your reference was to me and - that I couldn't hear the squeaky wheel"
 
No. Very sorry. I meant  I couldn't hear the wheel (must learn not to mix metaphors).
After years of Plexi's and far too much PA for a given room, It's a wonder I can hear at all.
 
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Re: Fastest way to rename clip? 2016/06/15 19:01:24 (permalink)
this thread is turning into like something of a "Repeat" like a gilligans island episode ive seen 10000 times.
I know how it ends, but I watch because it still has some humor to it.
 

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Re: Fastest way to rename clip? 2016/06/15 20:41:52 (permalink)
I can't believe this is still going..
 
Perhaps the quickest way for you would be:-
 
1) Press Shift + F (fit project to screen) - [1 or 2 / 1 + 2 key presses - I forget how you're counting these]
2) Write the new bloody names on the monitor with a felt tip pen over the top of the clips [Not sure how to count this, perhaps 1 SCRAWL]
 
TOTAL: No clicks, 1 or 2 (perhaps 1+2) keypresses, 1 scrawl
 
So much more efficient than 8.5.3
 
HTH
 
 
edited for typo - [3 keypresses]
post edited by jb101 - 2016/06/15 21:05:22

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Re: Fastest way to rename clip? 2016/06/16 01:35:07 (permalink)
Or you do it how Windows explorer does: basic, common functions on right click; fuller (full?) list of functions on shift right-click.
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Re: Fastest way to rename clip? 2016/06/16 02:02:48 (permalink)
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4) add back the option to open note properties by right clicking (instead of double-clicking)


Why would you wanna do that? Just coz you love it that way? Or are you of the idea that you may save some calories via right clicking than double clicking?


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Re: Fastest way to rename clip? 2016/06/16 02:36:01 (permalink)
Had another look into this . I undocked the inspector window , resized the window so it only showed the clip properties . Moved the window to a convenient place on the screen .
So with the inspector window open ,
1 click to select clip to rename
1 click and drag to highlight old name
Type new name
Hit enter
To close or open the inspector window press I .
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Re: Fastest way to rename clip? 2016/06/16 02:59:01 (permalink)
Two items I believe are FRs and would solve this (among many others) are 1) hotkey exposure to all internal functionality/calls (this would resolve most items for folks) and 2) macro capability within the application (with edit capability on those macros for pause points where data entry is desired). To add the icing on the cake, allowing for hot-key layouts to be swapped (similar to screensets) would allow for a much more detailed layout based on current workflow step (tracking, mixing, etc.), as well as macro assignment to hot-keys without running out of physical keyboard keys.
 
Realize, however, that although this sounds simplistic on paper, enabling macros to anticipate "user errors" and account for exception handling is not a trivial task.

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Re: Fastest way to rename clip? 2016/06/16 03:56:10 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dcumpian 2016/06/16 08:23:16
3) add back the option to show ALL note velocities if NO notes are selected (to match both the documentation, and the pre-Platinum behaviour)

 
No thanks, I'm happy with it as it is now.

4) add back the option to open note properties by right clicking (instead of double-clicking)

 
No thanks, right click is currently reserved for other functions, I for one do not want this changed

5) add back the option to adjust timing and transposition in each track itself (not the inspector), so that you can see them for all tracks at once

 
You need to acquaint yourself with the Inline PRV which can do all this and more

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Re: Fastest way to rename clip? 2016/06/16 08:06:07 (permalink)
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3) add back the option to show ALL note velocities if NO notes are selected (to match both the documentation, and the pre-Platinum behaviour)

 
No thanks, I'm happy with it as it is now.

4) add back the option to open note properties by right clicking (instead of double-clicking)

 
No thanks, right click is currently reserved for other functions, I for one do not want this changed

5) add back the option to adjust timing and transposition in each track itself (not the inspector), so that you can see them for all tracks at once

 
You need to acquaint yourself with the Inline PRV which can do all this and more




On these points, the way the X series does it is better than the old way.
 
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Re: Fastest way to rename clip? 2016/06/16 12:36:54 (permalink)
Hence the word "option".  It's all about personalisation. 
 
It's like having a spellchecker support both American and English/Canadian/NZ/Aussie spellings.  Sure, some of you living in The Promised Land (TM) might think that all we need is the US spellcheck, and that adding any other non-US-centric functionality is a waste of time. 
 
Right click properties?  No thank you.  Gay marriage?  No thank you.  Gun control?  No thank you.  God Bless the American status quo!  Skylight uber alles.  Heil!
 
 
 
 
 
 
Seriously though, guys...  What's so threatening about options? 
 

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Re: Fastest way to rename clip? 2016/06/16 12:42:05 (permalink)
Now you just sound silly.

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Re: Fastest way to rename clip? 2016/06/16 12:59:51 (permalink)
I think arguments against customisation are silly! 
 
As Craig pointed out, even Cakewalk is shifting their focus toward customisation! 
 
I find it half amusing, half alarming how doggedly people evangelise the New Status Quo (X1)... right after criticising someone for wanting the OPTION to personally reuse elements of the Old Status Quo (8.5.3). 
 
There is a huge difference for asking for an OPTION... and asking for the ELIMINATION of an option.
 
If you can't see the difference, then you haven't been watching the news.

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Re: Fastest way to rename clip? 2016/06/16 13:55:16 (permalink)
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Right click properties?  No thank you.  Gay marriage?  No thank you.  Gun control?  No thank you.  God Bless the American status quo!  Skylight uber alles.  Heil!
 




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Re: Fastest way to rename clip? 2016/06/16 13:59:01 (permalink)
You do get that I am mocking the whole conformist argument, don't you?
 
 

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Re: Fastest way to rename clip? 2016/06/16 14:05:09 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby chuckebaby 2016/06/16 15:22:21
maybe it is time to move on
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Re: Fastest way to rename clip? 2016/06/16 15:08:44 (permalink)
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I think arguments against customisation are silly! 
 
As Craig pointed out, even Cakewalk is shifting their focus toward customisation! 
 
I find it half amusing, half alarming how doggedly people evangelise the New Status Quo (X1)... right after criticising someone for wanting the OPTION to personally reuse elements of the Old Status Quo (8.5.3). 
 
There is a huge difference for asking for an OPTION... and asking for the ELIMINATION of an option.
 
If you can't see the difference, then you haven't been watching the news.


Yes but as Craig also pointed out, the world is, albeit slowly, moving towards using Touch as an interface thus reducing the need AND the viability of utilising right click, so why waste resources on  coding/functionality which might be heading towards obsolescence?

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Re: Fastest way to rename clip? 2016/06/16 15:42:24 (permalink)
Not to add fuel to the fire but touch can use right click. To right click using touch you tap with two fingers. I use touch a lot but only on my tablet. It also makes sense to have touch with a small light weight tablet. Not so much with vertical monitors just out of reach. 
 
Touch is cool. It does need one to learn a new way to work though. In some ways and because I am so used to a mouse I also have a bluretooth to go with my tablet. It feels like a cheat but it does work. LOL
 
Perhaps a customizable optional configurational setup for Sonar that can be optimized for mouse, keyboard and touch at the users whim.  By then we may have neural implants too.
 
 

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Re: Fastest way to rename clip? 2016/06/16 16:12:13 (permalink)
Just sign me up for the Implants John. I won't be able to use my hands by then anyway.

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Re: Fastest way to rename clip? 2016/06/16 20:34:23 (permalink)
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Not to add fuel to the fire but touch can use right click. To right click using touch you tap with two fingers. I use touch a lot but only on my tablet. It also makes sense to have touch with a small light weight tablet. Not so much with vertical monitors just out of reach. 
 
Touch is cool. It does need one to learn a new way to work though. In some ways and because I am so used to a mouse I also have a bluretooth to go with my tablet. It feels like a cheat but it does work. LOL
 

John - What tablet? 
I am using a 27" 10 point multi-touch monitor with SONAR for 1 of my 2 displays. (The other display above it is same size, non-touch)
The windows 10 convention for right click is press and hold - 
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ca/windows7/using-touch-gestures
Alternative is a "Press and tap" (Hold the item then quickly tap second finger)
To be honest, I don't know how you could possibly get two fingers close enough to something like the touch target on say a track fader. Outside of SONAR, a touch "right click" (touch and hold then release) works perfectly (here), on items no larger than a fader cap on my display. I use right click (Press and hold) for several applications and it works everywhere else - including in applications that don't promote themselves as "touch capable". Not in SONAR though (here) - I left-press on a fader to drag it up or down, but if I want to do something with that same fader (like "Group", for example, or automate) that I would normally do with a mouse right click, there is no equivalent touch option (here, at least) - I instead have to right click with the mouse.
So the question isn't whether "touch can use right click" - I know it can, and I use it - just not in SONAR.
I am curious what tablet you are using and whether you are actually using it for right-click of something reasonably small - like say - a fader cap, in SONAR. 

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Re: Fastest way to rename clip? 2016/06/17 05:44:19 (permalink)
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Yes but as Craig also pointed out, the world is, albeit slowly, moving towards using Touch as an interface thus reducing the need AND the viability of utilising right click, so why waste resources on  coding/functionality which might be heading towards obsolescence?




I think not - touch is prettty much dead for anything other than 'phones and tablets.
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Re: Fastest way to rename clip? 2016/06/20 00:54:48 (permalink)
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Fastest way for me is " copy track name to clip name" found in tracks menu in track
view .

Sorry to bring this thread back from dead, but just had to say after re-reading it I noticed this nugget I missed previously . . . didn't know this way of re-naming a clip existed . . . it's one of those added features Cakewalk added, but who knows which version they added this ? . . . guess it doesn't matter, just glad it exists . . . thank you JPS for pointing this out, gotta' love the forum for this.

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Re: Fastest way to rename clip? 2016/06/20 12:33:47 (permalink)
KPerry
I think not - touch is prettty much dead for anything other than 'phones and tablets.



Steven Slate doesn't seem to be aware of that...
 
Desktops are not where growth is happening, so as touch becomes used more on "downscale" devices, those who do get desktops will want the same capabilities.
 
Similar principle to the desktop designers trying to make Windows 8 work on desktop and mobile, and failing. Then the mobile designers came in to make Windows 10 work on mobile and desktop, and succeeded. I think Windows 10 marks the true beginning of touch, and Apple creating pressure-sensitive touch will up the ante just that much more.

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