Sonar 8: How to record from a Bus in realtime?

Ok, I just got my S8PE. I thought I remember reading about being able to record from busses in realtime. Can someone walk me through this? I'm trying to send the audio metronome to a bus, then record it to an input without having to physically route an output to an input on my interface. I thought this was possible, but maybe I'm wrong.

You can basically do this by using realtime bounce and source category set to buses. Not sure what you mean exactly by "record from buses in realtime" but if you want to capture live inputs, check the live inputs box in the bounce dialog.

You can its called real time bounce and it allows you to print to disc what you here including fx.

Whatever you might call it, its basically a bounce operation since you are playing back track data and capturing the rendered VST output. Could this process be streamlined to have fewer clicks and not use the bounce dialog, of course. But it wouldn't buy you anything that you cant accomplish today in SONAR.

ORIGINAL: Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]

Whatever you might call it, its basically a bounce operation since you are playing back track data and capturing the rendered VST output. Could this process be streamlined to have fewer clicks and not use the bounce dialog, of course. But it wouldn't buy you anything that you cant accomplish today in SONAR.

thanks for your reply:

actually i have discussed the benefit of such a feature in some threads and there are quite a few fellow sonarians who would like it and think that it would be an enhancement. (also others dont...)
by the actual imlementation its not spontaneous at all .. you have to select tracks - you must deteremin the lenght befor starting .. you have to open the bounce dialogue.. etc..etc..
what i would love to have would be just the ability to play directly from an vsti to an audiochannel like i would play an external synth into an audiochannel...just by arming the audiotrack....(one single operation)
often i prefer the sponatneous approach for recording plugins - away from the temptation of later quantisation and editing...
since sonar has so many routing possibilities i just wonder why that one isnt there too (as you know that most other big sequencers can do this)
any chance to see this in the future?

thanks

ORIGINAL: Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]

Yes its possible. As I said its primarily a rework of the GUI to do this and workflow improvements. The functionality and capability is already there.

cool - so hopefully it will be ther in 8.3.1

regards

clicking your heels

sorry but what does this mean in this context???

regards

ORIGINAL: techead

ORIGINAL: info@tomflair.com

clicking your heels

sorry but what does this mean in this context???

regards

He's kidding about whether such a feature would appear in version 8.3.1 or version 9.0 of a future SONAR release.

hmm.. ok but what has it to do with clicking heels ??? (actually i was just trying to get the sense of that phrase...)
since english isnt my native language..

ORIGINAL: techead

ORIGINAL: info@tomflair.com

hmm.. ok but what has it to do with clicking heels ??? (actually i was just trying to get the sense of that phrase...)
since english isnt my native language..

Oh...sorry about that, I misunderstood. Clicking heels is a reference to a famous American classic television show called "The Wizard of Oz". In the show the main character falls into a dream which becomes the set for the show. Throughout the show she is attempting to leave the dreamland (not realizing it is a dream) to go back home. In the end she is told to click the heels of her shoes together and chant "There's no place like home" to magically be returned home (at which point she wakes up from her dream).

The Wizard of Oz

thanks for explaining

ORIGINAL: Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]

Yes you can most certainly print the output of the metronome click to a track. Just assign the metronome to a bus, set source category to buses and then bounce that specific bus to a track. You don't even require realtime bounce for this if all you want is the metronome click.

Thank you. That definitely helps. I would like to see bus recording implemented the way tomflair speaks of. This is how it's done in Pro Tools and it's very helpful because it allows you to record from several different busses at the same time very quickly.

I appreciate your input Noel. I'd find it very helpful if you could also reply to the following thread:

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=1617645

There are some cases where a "real-time" recording of ANY sound would be VERY helpfull!

Lots of times I get to use a VSTi plug with poor implementation of automation-midi control!In other words you can tweak with your mouse various knobs-sliders of the plug in but not with automation as some of those parameters are not exposed to DAW automation!This of course is a weakness-bad design of the plug in and NOT Sonar BUT if Sonar COULD have a "R" button on VST synth audio tracks (currently audio tracks have "R" buttons but not an audio track that gets its INput from a VST synth) or EVEN busses this would be VERY helpfull!For such cases as this one,bounce is not of any help!

Another great reason for such a feature would be that some users have specifically asked for a way to record their INs WITH FXbin applied!



I think a "R" button on busses or in other words the ability to "record" into an audio track REAL-time not only physical INputs of your audio interface BUT also ANY source of sound (VST synths,multiple other tracks into busses etc etc) would REALLY satisfy LOTS of users requests!




my 2 cents


EDIT: so ermmmm....... me four! lol

ORIGINAL: kwgm

You can route your output back to Sonar's input with any mixer. The problem with analog mixers, or any mixer that's not "in the box" is latency. There's going to be a 12ms or more delay between your playing and recording, which can be troubling with you're trying to play along with other recorded tracks.

But, using a pro level digital audio device (like the one Sonar Power Studio or V700 package), you route through the digital mixer without latency.

Thanks. I already understand this. You see, using Pro Tools, I can do it without wasting an physical input. In Pro Tools, the click IS a bus, so I tell track 1 to record from bus 1 and I record this click in realtime and still have 16 inputs available for mics. So I can record: 12 tracks of drums+Bass+GTR1+GTR2+Voc+ Click. If I have to waste an input for the click, then sometimes I can't record the entire band without creating the click first or sacrificing my drum mic setup. I guess I will just have to do Noel's method and create the click first. I like to have the click as a visual reference. Also, I chop up the printed click track so I can make it pop in on parts of the song where the drums drop out.

You see, using Pro Tools, I can do it without wasting an physical input. In Pro Tools, the click IS a bus, so I tell track 1 to record from bus 1 and I record this click in realtime and still have 16 inputs available for mics.

I would love to have this function in Sonar.

Also, I chop up the printed click track so I can make it pop in on parts of the song where the drums drop out.

This is why I route my metronome to a buss. A little volume automation on the bus will bring the metronome in and out as needed.

ORIGINAL: PaPi

"How to record from a Bus in realtime?"

Tell all the other passengers to keep it quiet.

+1 ...and dont talk to the driver

You can print the output of multiple buses to a single track in SONAR very easily. Just solo the buses you want and do a bounce to track with the default options. No realtime bounce is required.

ORIGINAL: dontletmedrown


Thank you. That definitely helps. I would like to see bus recording implemented the way tomflair speaks of. This is how it's done in Pro Tools and it's very helpful because it allows you to record from several different busses at the same time very quickly.

I appreciate your input Noel. I'd find it very helpful if you could also reply to the following thread:

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=1617645