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sonar 8.5.3 constant crashes
I have tried everything you can think of and i am still getting crashes and it's not my sound card because i am using ableton live 8 without any problems or crashes , it's solid as a rock and it has not been tested for windows 7 64 ! also i am using reason 4 without any problems . i am really frustrated because i bought my new computer just for sonar 8.5 and i can't get it to work .and from the threads i have been reading i am not the only one so cakewalk if you are listening please help .
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Re:sonar 8.5.3 constant crashes
March 12, 10 1:04 AM
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, it's solid as a rock and it has not been tested for windows 7 64 ! Are you using win 7 64bit? Can you tell us about your set up and the project or projects if its all projects or just one project. also, whats the crash code?? Every crash has an error code. Thats code is your clue to whats wrong. Also give your sound card and its settings in sonar. You can have different settings for your other programs, so give us what your settings are in sonar. . and from the threads i have been reading i am not the only one so cakewalk if you are listening please help .
Its a peer to peer forum, so all youll really see are problems in here. If you want cakewalk, you can call them or email them for support Cj
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March 12, 10 10:19 AM
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i am using emu 1820 and i am doing just about anything . when opening or closing projects , clicking on a track to resize it you name it . i tried windows 7 64 bit no better , so i went back to 32 bit and the same thing and also went back to 8.3.1 same thing but with ableton everything is perfect . you can not make it crash even if you try ! also i have been on this forum for years i know the set up and i know cake listens to us . i have been a sonar user since P4 and this is a problem that was not solved in the beta testing you can tell too many are having the same problem and it's sonar and windows 7 64 .
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Re:sonar 8.5.3 constant crashes
March 12, 10 10:50 AM
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rick keys
i tried windows 7 64 bit no better , so i went back to 32 bit and the same thing and also went back to 8.3.1 same thing. .....you can tell too many are having the same problem and it's sonar and windows 7 64 .
Sounds like you have it all figured out. Its the same problem in 64 and 32 bit windows so it's got to be sonar and windows 7 64. I see your logic.
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Re:sonar 8.5.3 constant crashes
March 12, 10 10:55 AM
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>I thoroughly researched CW's recommendations about desktop computers and chipsets. Following their guide, I had ADK build a computer just for Sonar 8.5 about 2 months ago. They installed Sonar and the driver for an RME FF 400 and tweaked it. I now have a system with all the bells and whistles running at 64 bits on Windows 7, using an Intel i7 chip, 8 gigs of RAM, the whole nine yards. You would think that it would have been rock solid from the beginning. Well, it froze on me during the first 30 minutes that I used it. I was merely recording some basic audio tracks to start a song with no plug-ins involved. I had to reboot my computer, and it ran fine after that. In fact, it has run well for a couple weeks until last night when it froze on me twice while recording audio tracks. I had to reboot both times. This after only running 20 minutes or so. I'm not using any exotic plug-ins, just the Sonitus that came with Sonar.
I've been using Cakewalk since CW6 in '98. I know this program well, having recorded several hundred songs on it over the years. Until SP7.3, it was solid, but since that version came out I've had minor problems with the program. I agree with those who would like to see Cakewalk make their program more stable rather than adding more "candy" in future upgrades. Sonar is well endowed already with ornaments, therefore I would like to see a stronger tree. I'm still waiting for the 64 bit VST version of Dimension Pro to work ( I did get the 64 bit DXi version working for me). I love this program, and I believe that it will get better in the future as we all settle into the world of 64 bits, but until then I'm not holding my breath.<
I wrote the above about 10 days ago in response to another thread, but it still applies. For the most part, Sonar and Windows 7 are working together except for the occasional freeze and reboot. Good luck, Rick, and let's hope that Cakewalk irons out these little glitches that you and I and others seem to experience.
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Re:sonar 8.5.3 constant crashes
March 12, 10 11:10 AM
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You may have some bad RAM. You can get a RAM test program (search online) that you can burn to a CD and boot up. At one point recently I had a lot of crashing and it turned out my video card was on the way out. It got to the point where the computer wouldn't boot, but a new video card solved the problem. So you may have a hardware issue, because 8.5.3 is solid for most.
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Re:sonar 8.5.3 constant crashes
March 12, 10 11:23 AM
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my ram is fine the computer is less than two months old !!!!
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Re:sonar 8.5.3 constant crashes
March 12, 10 11:28 AM
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While I completely understand your frustration, trust me - I've been there! - many of us are running Windows 64-bit and Sonar 8.5.3 with no problems. In fact I would say that this is the most stable and responsive my system has ever been. The real problem you have is that you really don't know WHY your system is crashing and your frustration is leading you to blame the software. Your first port of call should be to take a look at the dump file after a crash and see what you can glean from that. You can Google the error codes, go to the Microsoft support site or post in a techy geek forum (I use www.Extremetech.com - nice peeps there). Essentially you WILL get it resolved ... If I can then YOU can :) Gl M8
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Re:sonar 8.5.3 constant crashes
March 12, 10 11:51 AM
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Re:sonar 8.5.3 constant crashes
March 12, 10 12:13 AM
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my ram is fine the computer is less than two months old !!!! Hey Rick, Your frustrated... (I can understand that) But there has to be an underlying reason why Sonar is so unstable on your particular DAW. Sonar 8.53 is not inherently unstable with Windows 7. FWIW, I work with DAWs literally all day... every day. If Sonar were that flakey... I wouldn't use it. Step back... take a deep breath... and start a methodical trouble-shooting approach to figure out the culprit. Regarding your computer/RAM: Just because it's brand new doesn't mean the RAM is OK. Every new DAW I build, the first thing I do after it's assembled is test the RAM. New RAM can be defective. Its quite possible that a stick is bad... or that the RAM is fine but just not 100% compatible with the motherboard. Just because the system boots into Windows doesn't mean that all is fine. Test the RAM... and stress-test the core hardware (CPU, motherboard, RAM) using Prime95 or similar. Once you've established that the core hardware is rock-solid stable, then you can move on to the audio interface and overall system configuration. Here's a relavent example: ie: There's one particular newer Firewire audio interface that's extremely picky about the Firewire controller. Even within the realm of Texas Instruments chipset Firewire controllers (which resolves problems for most FW audio interfaces)... it'll work perfectly stable with some... and you'll experience nothing but BSOD crashes with others. And the kicker is... the BSODs are random... (you don't get an error that mentions this particular audio interface's driver) If you were to look at this case on the surface, you might assume (wrongly) that Sonar is completely unstable... when in fact the problem has nothing to do with Sonar. Use the right TI chipset Firewire controller... and the same exact system is absolutely rock-solid stable.
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Re:sonar 8.5.3 constant crashes
March 12, 10 12:20 AM
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jim i know you build music computers. i have been around here awhile and if read my posts you will see that i am running ableton live 8 and reasons 4 with no problems !!! it is so stable with ableton that i tried to crash it and could not do it !!!! that is point my frustration while i love ableton ,sonar is my main setup and is the reason why updated my computer .
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Re:sonar 8.5.3 constant crashes
March 12, 10 12:31 AM
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rick keys
my ram is fine the computer is less than two months old !!!!
For what it's worth Rick, I think you are going to have a difficult time finding a solution in this forum because you aren't really here to seek help as much as you are to place a blame that you have pre-determined. From where I sit, you appear to draw unwarranted conclusions based on faulty logic. There have been lots of questions asked by people who are sincerely making an attempt to identify the cause of your problem and you either don't answer or dimiss avenues of inquirey out of hand. Until you take an interest in your own situation and have the courtesy to answer questions about your setup, you are wasting your time and those trying to help you.
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Re:sonar 8.5.3 constant crashes
March 12, 10 3:27 PM
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With all due respect, I have to side with Rick on this one. As stated in my thread above, I have all the correct hardware for Windows 7 and Sonar 8.5.3. At least as far as Cakewalk and ADK are concerned. Yet, I'm having occasional problems, as well. I don't think it's totally illogical to question the software when the same hardware works flawlessly in some programs and not others, especially when it is the recommended hardware and latest drivers. I've begun to think the problem may be more with Windows than Sonar, therefore, I'll wait patiently until Microsoft gets their act together before I have doubts about Cakewalk. Time will tell.
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Re:sonar 8.5.3 constant crashes
March 12, 10 3:53 PM
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I don't think it's totally illogical to question the software when the same hardware works flawlessly in some programs and not others
What I questioned was lots of faulty logic in Rick's responses (e.g. There couldn't be anything wrong with his RAM because it is only 2 months old OR that because his system ran well with other software the issue HAD TO BE a programming/OS problem rather than a myriad of other possibilities).
My point remains that the people in this forum can't do anything about programming problems although they can certainly help explore other things. They can't even do that if the OP doesn't provide the information that they ask for because he concludes that he already knows what the problem is.
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Re:sonar 8.5.3 constant crashes
March 12, 10 4:00 PM
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KeithS, stop trying to apply logic to the situation. You will get a headache.
As you say, the OP has already drawn his conclusions. He is clearly not here for assistance.
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Re:sonar 8.5.3 constant crashes
March 12, 10 4:42 PM
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rick keys
my ram is fine the computer is less than two months old !!!!
Being new it is more likely it could be bad then if it were old. Why, because it hasn't been tested. RAM doesn't go bad very often but can come as marginal. Most system builders "burn" a system in and find issues before passing it on to a buyer or the person that will use it. People that build computers a lot know this. Also it could be simply the wrong type for your system. Other things could be the cause as well. A good rundown of your setup including the motherboard model plus its chip set would help a lot for us to figure out what is going on. Your memory type and brand would likewise help. The more information you give the better the chance we can find a solution. This forum has good track record in solving these things. You would be tapping into a cumulative knowledge of the entire forum by being forthcoming with answers to questions asked. Clearly many have no crashing problems with Sonar. It would behoove you to tap into the wisdom this forum has to offer. Although I do like to debate an issue from time to time this sort of thread is not open to debate but to finding a solution. This forum is very good at doing that.
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Re:sonar 8.5.3 constant crashes
March 12, 10 4:49 PM
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Its hard to argu when the poster has his mind made up on what he "thinks" is the problem. and when he just rules everything else out without trying and testing things. If you dont open your eyes and look at the whole picture, youll never solve your problems. looking at it one sided isnt a good way to troubleshoot. Cj
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Re:sonar 8.5.3 constant crashes
March 12, 10 4:52 PM
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Personally, I still use Sonar 7.0 as the later "upgrades" have crashed constantly to the point I can't get work done. Sonar 7 rarely crashes on my XP Quad Core machine...
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Re:sonar 8.5.3 constant crashes
March 12, 10 4:59 PM
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While the members of this board have offered some potential causes of problems, the fact that the original poster can run other software with no problems probably means the problem is with Sonar or something that interacts with it instead of a hardware issue.
Update all drivers and software patches for any hardware or software that interacts with Sonar. That's about all you can do. Save your work often. Disable everything else such as Virusscans, Network interfaces (wireless or wired). etc.
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Re:sonar 8.5.3 constant crashes
March 12, 10 5:19 PM
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DonaldDuck
While the members of this board have offered some potential causes of problems, the fact that the original poster can run other software with no problems probably means the problem is with Sonar or something that interacts with it instead of a hardware issue.
Update all drivers and software patches for any hardware or software that interacts with Sonar. That's about all you can do. Save your work often. Disable everything else such as Virusscans, Network interfaces (wireless or wired). etc.
You forget that Sonar is a 64 bit app and the others are 32 bit apps. They are using a very small part of the memory where Sonar can access all the memory. I am not saying that this is the problem but 32 bit apps on Vista and Windows 7 64 bit are run in a wrapper. There so many things that have to be considered that its important to rule out basic things for a comprehensive troubleshooting secession. Then go systematically from there.
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Re:sonar 8.5.3 constant crashes
March 12, 10 8:52 PM
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you will see that i am running ableton live 8 and reasons 4 with no problems It is possible to have a simple problem like a bad stick of ram that will only show up with one program. I had this happen with a program some years age. It has to do with how the program addresses memory. Every time I would use the program, the system would blue screen, and only with that program. I finally decided to re-install windows and the re-install always failed while copying the same file from the install CD. Memtest 86 found a bad address high in memory, and replacing the memory solved the problem. The troublesome program was writing to that area of high memory (apparently to avoid conflicts with better-behaved apps) and coincidentally, the windows installation sequence reached that same memory dead spot at exactly the same point in each installation attempt. Nothing else got to the bad address, so everything else worked fine.
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Re:sonar 8.5.3 constant crashes
March 12, 10 10:44 PM
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In other words, it was a program (ie. software) problem?
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Re:sonar 8.5.3 constant crashes
March 12, 10 10:59 PM
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Lynn
In other words, it was a program (ie. software) problem?
Are you serious? I really hope not.
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Re:sonar 8.5.3 constant crashes
March 12, 10 10:59 PM
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Lynn
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Re:sonar 8.5.3 constant crashes
March 12, 10 11:00 PM
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John, are you serious, or are you just an apologist for Cakewalk or Microsoft?
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Re:sonar 8.5.3 constant crashes
March 13, 10 2:57 AM
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John
DonaldDuck
While the members of this board have offered some potential causes of problems, the fact that the original poster can run other software with no problems probably means the problem is with Sonar or something that interacts with it instead of a hardware issue.
Update all drivers and software patches for any hardware or software that interacts with Sonar. That's about all you can do. Save your work often. Disable everything else such as Virusscans, Network interfaces (wireless or wired). etc.
You forget that Sonar is a 64 bit app and the others are 32 bit apps. They are using a very small part of the memory where Sonar can access all the memory. I am not saying that this is the problem but 32 bit apps on Vista and Windows 7 64 bit are run in a wrapper.
There so many things that have to be considered that its important to rule out basic things for a comprehensive troubleshooting secession. Then go systematically from there.
Ha ha ha DUDE! Sonar isn't the only 64 bit audio app on the planet. 64bit isn't news or Science Fiction anymore.
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Re:sonar 8.5.3 constant crashes
March 13, 10 3:09 AM
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Lynn
John, are you serious, or are you just an apologist for Cakewalk or Microsoft?
Neither one and why would you think that? When a difference of opinion is forwarded is that your only response? A bad memory stick is a hardware issue not a software issue. There is no other way to view it. Sonar or any other software can not run well if the the hardware is broken. This is not just an opinion but the truth. Your statement is ridiculous. Thats why I asked you if you were serious. Clearly you are and that is sad.
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Re:sonar 8.5.3 constant crashes
March 13, 10 10:59 AM
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slartabartfast
you will see that i am running ableton live 8 and reasons 4 with no problems
It is possible to have a simple problem like a bad stick of ram that will only show up with one program. I had this happen with a program some years age. It has to do with how the program addresses memory. Every time I would use the program, the system would blue screen, and only with that program. I finally decided to re-install windows and the re-install always failed while copying the same file from the install CD. Memtest 86 found a bad address high in memory, and replacing the memory solved the problem. The troublesome program was writing to that area of high memory (apparently to avoid conflicts with better-behaved apps) and coincidentally, the windows installation sequence reached that same memory dead spot at exactly the same point in each installation attempt. Nothing else got to the bad address, so everything else worked fine.
That's actually not that uncommon. A stuck bit somewhere in high memory can affect some programs or drivers and others can run fine. That's why I suggested it as a possible cause. I had a brand-new system from HP (not a DAW) where the CPU couldn't execute one of the extended instruction set instructions. Since most programs didn't make use of those instructions (for compatibility with older processors) almost everything worked fine. It wouldn't run SKYPE or Microsoft Silverlight without funny artifacts, but it ran everything else I tried. A CPU test found the issue, even though I was tempted to blame the software. So I'm not sure why there has to be such debate here. Using basic logic: 1. SONAR works fine on many systems. Therefore there is something different about the OP's system. 2. In order to find out what's different, you start with the basics. Run the basic hardware tests like memory and CPU stress tests to eliminate those things as possibilities. Maybe it isn't those, but who knows until you run the tests? 3. If that hardware looks OK, look at other hardware like video card, unplug any network cards, test the disk system. 3. If the hardware is OK, look at drivers and other software, interfaces, etc. 4. Reinstall OS and SONAR as a last resort to fix anything that's been corrupted. Until you do all that there's no way to know what the problem is. If you don't want to do it you can either live with th problem or switch to something that doesn't give you a problem, whatever makes you happy, but there's no reason to blame SONAR until you've done more basic troubleshooting. Good Luck, John
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Re:sonar 8.5.3 constant crashes
March 13, 10 11:35 AM
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I completely agree...
If you're having stability problems, step-by-step (methodical) trouble-shooting is the approach that'll (eventually) lead to the culprit.
First step is to rule out the hardware. Even if you think that's not the culprit, it makes sound/logical sense to test and be 100% sure. Then you test on down the line (drivers, software, etc)
Windows is not inherently unstable.
Sonar 8.53 is not inherently unstable. That's not to say you'll never experience a crash... or that you'll never find a bug (or specific course of action) that causes a crash.
If Sonar is randomly/consistantly crashing, there's an underlying reason why. In that scenario, you can either address the problem... or avoid it.
If the OP is running Sonar x64... along with 32Bit plugins (bridged via BitBridge)... I'd put my money on that being the culprit (once the hardware has been ruled out). Many plugins work fine when bridged... but some don't cope well. (ie: EZ Drummer and the UAD plugins don't work with BitBridge.)
IIRC, Live is still a 32Bit (code) application. Thus, bridging wouldn't be happening.
If this is the culprit, the workaround is to use JBridge to bridge the problematic plugins... or run the 32Bit version of Sonar when using those plugins.
Speaking of plugins, it's not uncommon for a specific plugin/s to have an issue with a particular host.
Thus, a plugin could be completely stable in one host DAW software... and cause complete instability in another.
ie: The 64Bit version of Synlenth 1 crashes Sonar 8.5.
My advice to the OP is to spend the time/energy necessary to resolve the problem.
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Re:sonar 8.5.3 constant crashes
March 13, 10 4:49 PM
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Ok. SO.... I reinstalled Sonar today - but Sonar 32 bit instead of 64 bit (been having constant crashes, sessions not opening, etc) and it works. The sessions that wouldn't open before, now they do, but the thing is - It's eating all my CPU. I am running Windows 7x64 on a Gateway P-7811FX laptop (core2duo P8400, 4Gb DDR3, ECHO Audiofire 8PRE interface with TI Chip Express Card). While running ASIO the audio stuttered at any buffer with the plug-ins I had inserted, but then I switched to WDM/KS and raised the buffer the highest I could and it was ok... still overloading, but no glitches, just latency and graphical choppiness. The thing is - some people have Sonar x64 working fine, while some don't. Many people here are probably still on Sonar 32bit, but they argue that Sonar is fine. Of course it is. It's just the 64bit version that sucks. Sonar should be like a good mix - able to run stable on all kinds of setups. So, it's not just the OP that's having problems... you guys always say that..but have you seen the number of "problem threads"? Plus there are a lot of Sonar users that don't use the forums. I know that this is a place for users to interact, but sometimes you just gotta let it all out. Sorry if I offended anybody with this post or previous ones. Cheers.
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