Subscription based Sonar - A NEW subscription service for your favorite DAW

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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2 2012/07/17 19:48:05 (permalink)
Let's make some music now. Way too many words and time wasted here.


 
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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2 2012/07/17 20:01:34 (permalink)
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Well Rain, I'm a guy with the top of the line flagship producer expanded version in my home studio..What's the justification ?? To make excellent quality recordings on which I can sell on iTunes. To produce my own cd as there no record company out there offering me an advance on a recording contract...which is a good thing in my book. I want to make recordings, but I don't want to owe a record company a huge advance. To help my friends poduce their cd's too. I'm not making "just demo's," but actual finished products. I am my own record company. I produce my own recordings.

The days of making demo's to send out to record companies are long gone. The chances of somebody getting signed and actually making any money are stacked against most artists. You want to be a recording artist ?? Then you have to have the means to make recordings. This is what Sonar can do for you. Buy the program, learn the program, make recordings, sell recordings, boom, you're in the music business. There's your justification.

Guilty as charged here too, on a few fronts. I never exclude myself.


Truth is though, you and I COULD be making top notch CDs w/ Sonar Essential. I've sold recordings done w/ Cakewalk Guitar Studio and Logic Express. But I've always ended up upgrading. I'm not talking about justifying in that sense, anyway. If you can afford it, or if you manage to justify the expense to yourself, it's all good. 


No one is making demos these days anyway- except signed artists. Only they can afford not to take their home recordings that seriously. Everyone else seems to refers to their entire creative output as songs, EPs and albums. 





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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2 2012/07/17 20:15:53 (permalink)
I've made recordings with Essentials, but Producer is much much more capable of producing much much better quality recordings. The end results are night day. After hearing what Producer can do for my basic recordings, I'm kicking myself for not buying it sooner. It's not sales hype, Producer really can make excellent sounding recordings. Essentials is just that, the basics.... Producer is the whip cream, banana, and cherry on top. It's the real deal.
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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2 2012/07/17 22:43:13 (permalink)
chuckebaby


bobguitkillerleft


chuckebaby


i am concerned about you sir.

Please elaborate,with all concerns,misgivings,dislikings,etc etc.


I'm too old to be upset[some of the road stories I could,but will NEVER reveal]and have been to many places people fear[greatly] so go for it,it could be entertaining for others?


Bob

im now concerned for you as well if you dont understand what i ment about this.
its a joke.

Ha ha,yeah I would be too,no I knew it was especialy when you said "sir",ha,nobody has ever called me that here[except the supermarket chicks],anyway I like the sound quality of your tune on sound click,especially considering its mp3,very clear and crisp,unlike my demo/scratch thing on soundcloud which is all D.I. into the 1/8"jack from my guitar/mic,to jam on a scratch riff,and then I thought,well I'll quickly mix this,and lo and behold,as it's the ONLY thing with vocals I thought I'd upload it,but I sure wish I'd recorded it with amps,instead of sims,as Im now in a repetative loop of trying to re re master a lofi fi mix,and should have spent all this time doing it properly from the start.

Ah the trials and tribulations of an old,but digital newb.

Cheers
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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2 2012/07/17 23:47:56 (permalink)
CW software is already subscription based.

I purchased a license-subscription for the current version. I get all the updates that are released for this version. 

When the next version is released, my subscription becomes defunct. 

(Happily, the currently installed software does not become a pumpkin.)

A quarterly payment would fix a lot of stupid promotion tricks. No more specials, no arbitrary version release deadlines, buggy releases,...  And would even the revenue stream for the company. And reduce dollar outlays for users.

But , noooooooooooooooo!!!

Ignorance prevails.  We cannot be reasonable, for all the wrong reasons.

I prefer some sort of pay for use/purpose cost schedule.  I do not use the software everyday for 12 hours. Those that do should pay more. This is probably a business use.  Yet, I pay the same as these users.

AND: CW cannot afford to hire enough people to oversee the forum, answer the phones and support requests, nor be able to fix most of the bugs before celebrating the next version. 

A yearly fee, paid quarterly, would significantly reduce bugs, and improve support, by leveling CW revenue.

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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2 2012/07/18 01:05:55 (permalink)
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A yearly fee, paid quarterly, would significantly reduce bugs, and improve support, by leveling CW revenue.
I doubt that very much. There will always be the competition that drives early releases. There will never be the revenue to allow Cakewalk to test each version to the point where it is bug free, bugs will always reveal themselves when new versions of the product hits the general user population with their varied computer parts and interfaces...no company can fully test for such discrepancies, it's likely less a matter of revenue flow than a matter of practicality.
 
I see no reason subscription based software would offer better support either. Would you please cite some companies who have improved their support since instituting a subscription-based solution to a pre-existing product?
 
As for use, there are good arguements either way but frankly I fell that if you don't use it to the extent you get your moneys worth, too bad. Buy a cheaper product.
 
None of these arguements addresses the basic fact that not all musicians have access to credit cards or other forms of credit. Laugh all you want but I am a professional musician and if Cakewalk had required a credit-based subscription they would have waited 16 years longer to see a dime out of me. For years it was hard enough keeping meat on my bones.
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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2 2012/07/18 10:18:17 (permalink)

Unofficial Cakewalk Announcment for NEW Subscription Based Sonar Packages:

This should be moved to the Coffee House (or the bit bucket). 

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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2 2012/07/18 10:34:07 (permalink)
No. no. no. no...Forum!

No, infact I agree with Skylightron!

I think this is the perfect business module for Cakewalk to follow.

It means more new users and thats the appeal of X1. It would mean that more people could plomp for Producer once caught they can also subscribe. What are the main differences between a yearly update and a monthly subscription. Release dates could be longer hence a better overall product.

Money pouring in like rain giving cake employees a monthly wage rather than a second job. (I guess)

OK you go to your computer load up cake and you have forgotten to subscribe when your inspiration is at its height and your creative juices are flowing. All you need to do is find your credit card details and click voila! Back to creating again!

What a good idea!

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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2 2012/07/18 10:37:54 (permalink)
A quarterly payment would fix a lot of stupid promotion tricks. No more specials, no arbitrary version release deadlines, buggy releases,... And would even the revenue stream for the company. And reduce dollar outlays for users.

 
I seriously doubt it.   The company I work for does just that, and a good part of our revenue is subscription based.   However, and this is the kicker, the subscription fees have to be substantial enough to warrant the extra personnel to do all those things you've listed.  I can't image a SONAR subscription fee *ever* adding up to that kind of revenue.    Heck, Avid can't even keep their head above water and they've had a subscription based (more or less) support system for years.
 

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Re:Subscription based Sonar and Nag Screen feature request starting with X2 2012/07/18 13:46:56 (permalink)
daveny5



Unofficial Cakewalk Announcment for NEW Subscription Based Sonar Packages:

This should be moved to the Coffee House (or the bit bucket). 

Bit bucket much better....

The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate.

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Re:Subscription based Sonar - A NEW subscription service for your favorite DAW 2012/07/18 14:21:21 (permalink)
Actually it might be a comedic attempt to portray a parody of a theoretical setup and may or may not apply to our favourite DAW in the future, and folk may well have issues with the original poster here.

But there is certainly a scary movement leaning toward this very model already.

Companies wont be worried about a certain percentage of 'hold out' users against it if a big enough percentage go for it.  Music production software is mass market already and is suffering from declining sales industry wide, basically because there is little to add these days that isn't already available.

The only way I can see the industry surviving is by employing more proprietary gizmo's and gaining a subscription scheme of some sort.

Whether that will be a good thing or bad thing long-term is anybodys guess, I can see it appealing to quite a few companies in order to secure their survival in future though, some are starting to employ elements of it already.  The recent judgement in the European court regarding software sales may also serve as an additional incentive for vendors to explore this avenue more fully too.

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Re:Subscription based Sonar - A NEW subscription service for your favorite DAW 2012/07/18 14:24:53 (permalink)
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Start monthly subscription fees on Sonar and lock the program after a certain period of time if the user does not subscribe in order to fully continue to use the software. Start this with X2... a monthly fee of $9.99 for Studio, $14.99 for Producer, $19.99 for Suite. And in order for this to take effect, charge a one time base fee of $49.99 for that corresponding version. If the customer refuses to pay a subscription... Every half hour there would be a Pop-Up screen that pops up and notifies them that they need to Subscribe to fully use all of the features while locking the program for 20 minutes. Another window would appear, advertising Cakewalk store products - somewhat similar to the add during the most recent Webinar.

Update: New details of this exciting Service is now posted.

What about a price per minute?
With nice usage summaries?
When you close a project it says: This session has cost you $8,95. Total amount spent on this project: $78,25.
 
I bet it will speed up your workflow.
 
 
 

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Re:Subscription based Sonar - A NEW subscription service for your favorite DAW 2012/07/18 14:26:55 (permalink)
Zonno


skylightron


Start monthly subscription fees on Sonar and lock the program after a certain period of time if the user does not subscribe in order to fully continue to use the software. Start this with X2... a monthly fee of $9.99 for Studio, $14.99 for Producer, $19.99 for Suite. And in order for this to take effect, charge a one time base fee of $49.99 for that corresponding version. If the customer refuses to pay a subscription... Every half hour there would be a Pop-Up screen that pops up and notifies them that they need to Subscribe to fully use all of the features while locking the program for 20 minutes. Another window would appear, advertising Cakewalk store products - somewhat similar to the add during the most recent Webinar.

Update: New details of this exciting Service is now posted.

What about a price per minute?
With nice usage summaries?
When you close a project it says: This session has cost you $8,95. Total amount spent on this project: $78,25.
 
I bet it will speed up your workflow.
 
 
 




Yep that would work with me too....

I might actually get something done...lol

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In the meantime we should all go shopping to console ourselves" - Banksy
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Re:Subscription based Sonar - A NEW subscription service for your favorite DAW 2012/07/18 14:28:30 (permalink)
There are some cellphone companies charge per second...can one charge per millisecond?

The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate.

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Re:Subscription based Sonar - A NEW subscription service for your favorite DAW 2012/07/18 14:44:24 (permalink)
trimph1


There are some cellphone companies charge per second...can one charge per millisecond?

I wont be paying for every milisecond.
If I have a latency of 20 milliseconds, I will not be paying for the first 20 milliseconds. During these moments I cannot be productive!
 
 

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