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Re:Would Sonar getting ported to Mac would be a total disaster? 2012/07/17 08:34:05 (permalink)
The threads only on page 2, I don't see why it can be claimed to have degenerated, just for a couple of comments. Just continue discussing the OP's point. If it has legs it'll continue

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Re:Would Sonar getting ported to Mac would be a total disaster? 2012/07/17 11:51:44 (permalink)
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I've already stated I'm reverring to people I know. Brighton in England probably has more Macs per population that the rest of the UK. I'm not relying on the interent, I'm stating my experience
 
My issue with iTunes is it's got worse, iTunes store has lost fuctionality. Trying to get through to their customer services is a ball ache. Its not the blissful experince Mac users tell you to your face, but more the experience they tell each other
 
 
Well, if relating other's experience can be added to one's personal experience, we'll never get out of this.


Someone posted a similar thread in the Sonar forum about a friend of his who apparently had to re-build sessions from scratch. However, my own experience (screenshots to prove it) is that Logic saves back ups if it quits unexpectedly (as can happen w/ certain 3rd party plug-ins). 


I've also heard many pro engineers gloat about how Pro Tools is "superior" to anything else for audio editing. 99% of the cases, they just didn't know how to accomplish the equivalent using other software. These guys are fairly competent in their own domain - which only makes things worst because it makes it look like they know what they are talking about.

  As for what Mac users supposedly tell each others - how would you know that? Of course you can read forums dedicated to Mac only software, but that's only a portion of the users. And furthermore, why would it be such a concern?

 I don't know, man. Whether it's Mac users pretending that Mac are crash-proof (which they obviously aren't) or PC users trying to dispel the myth w/ virtually no first-hand experience, both sides are as biased and unreliable.

If anything, fanbois are less annoying, since they don't carry that unexplainable negative grudge.



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Re:Would Sonar getting ported to Mac would be a total disaster? 2012/07/17 12:07:05 (permalink)
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As for what Mac users supposedly tell each others - how would you know that? Of course you can read forums dedicated to Mac only software, but that's only a portion of the users. And furthermore, why would it be such a concern?


How do I know that??
Do I have to keep repeating, I know pleanty of mac users! Prertty easyy to walk into these conversations when you pop to the kitchen for a cup of tea, and they are all chatting about an issue. Yet when you have an issue with your pc and are chatting to make users, they bleat on about switching to macs because they never have problems. No "suppsosidly" about it.
 
I've been told by mac users you don't need an IT department if you just have a mac based office, yet my friend Kree headed an IT department for a mac based office of Graphic desingers and publishers.
 
Just for the record, I have said at no point I hate macs, or that I think PCs are great
 
 
Regards having to re-build logic projects, my old flatmate did that on his Mac too. He used both Macs and PCs and had nightmares with both, his PC was a Carillon, but it was from around 2002.
  
  
 
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Re:Would Sonar getting ported to Mac would be a total disaster? 2012/07/17 12:10:01 (permalink)

I think Apple have aims for monopoly that make anything that MS have done look like they are a freindly local community store in comparison.



Or is Apple just better at planning?


Apple has mastered vertical integration to the point of monopoly. It seeks, and largely succeeds in having control not only all of the hardware, but the software (albeit via licensing in some cases) and media that makes the hardware run. Microsoft has essentially benefited by a natural monopoly in being the first widely adopted OS in the PC market, and thus the de facto standard to which the vast majority of hardware and software vendors must conform.


Metro, and the Surface tablets are yet another attempt by Microsoft to replicate the vertical monopoly that Apple has perfected. The model that MS is envying most is not the iPod vs the Zune contest, but the Ap Store and iTunes. That is how they plan to market Metro apps. The future is all Apple, just the names will change.
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Re:Would Sonar getting ported to Mac would be a total disaster? 2012/07/17 12:12:46 (permalink)
I can't see Cakewalk making much money from entering the Mac areana, with the cost involved doing so, thet'd be competing directly with Logic, and to a degree Protools. When asking the advice of other Mac users, buyers we be advised to go with Logic as a Apple programme. So to make a dent in that market, they would need to blow Logic out of the water. Knowing Apple, they would repsond to the threat. and start serious investment in securing their foothold

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Re:Would Sonar getting ported to Mac would be a total disaster? 2012/07/17 12:28:17 (permalink)
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As for what Mac users supposedly tell each others - how would you know that? Of course you can read forums dedicated to Mac only software, but that's only a portion of the users. And furthermore, why would it be such a concern?


How do I know that??
Do I have to keep repeating, I know pleanty of mac users! Prertty easyy to walk into these conversations when you pop to the kitchen for a cup of tea, and they are all chatting about an issue. Yet when you have an issue with your pc and are chatting to make users, they bleat on about switching to macs because they never have problems. No "suppsosidly" about it.
 
I've been told by mac users you don't need an IT department if you just have a mac based office, yet my friend Kree headed an IT department for a mac based office of Graphic desingers and publishers.
 
Just for the record, I have said at no point I hate macs, or that I think PCs are great
 
 
Regards having to re-build logic projects, my old flatmate did that on his Mac too. He used both Macs and PCs and had nightmares with both, his PC was a Carillon, but it was from around 2002.
  
  
 
I guess we have different evaluation grids. My friends and relatives experiences are their own, I take them all w/ a pinch of salt. My wife is the closest person to me - but she is Mac biased (even if she's quite a computer geek in her own way.) Those people experiences are valid, but they're theirs. I don't think I would enter a debate and try to make a point w/o my own experience. I make mistakes, friend make mistakes, and our knowledge has its limits and its flaws.


What we are told - be it by Mac fanbois or PC addicts is just that. Their opinion. People will make their computer what they want them to be. 

Next time your friend has an issue, tell him NOT to discard the pop up which offers to re-load the version that Logic automatically saves when it quits unexpectedly. ;)  It's easy to identify - see below. I can't say I've had many crashes, but Logic never failed to generate one of these.











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Re:Would Sonar getting ported to Mac would be a total disaster? 2012/07/17 12:29:58 (permalink)
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I can't see Cakewalk making much money from entering the Mac areana, with the cost involved doing so, thet'd be competing directly with Logic, and to a degree Protools. When asking the advice of other Mac users, buyers we be advised to go with Logic as a Apple programme. So to make a dent in that market, they would need to blow Logic out of the water. Knowing Apple, they would repsond to the threat. and start serious investment in securing their foothold

Absolutely agreed. Though I'd love to see a Mac version of Sonar, that's just for my own selfish self. 

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Re:Would Sonar getting ported to Mac would be a total disaster? 2012/07/17 12:46:01 (permalink)
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I think Apple have aims for monopoly that make anything that MS have done look like they are a freindly local community store in comparison.



Or is Apple just better at planning?


Apple has mastered vertical integration to the point of monopoly. It seeks, and largely succeeds in having control not only all of the hardware, but the software (albeit via licensing in some cases) and media that makes the hardware run. Microsoft has essentially benefited by a natural monopoly in being the first widely adopted OS in the PC market, and thus the de facto standard to which the vast majority of hardware and software vendors must conform.


Metro, and the Surface tablets are yet another attempt by Microsoft to replicate the vertical monopoly that Apple has perfected. The model that MS is envying most is not the iPod vs the Zune contest, but the Ap Store and iTunes. That is how they plan to market Metro apps. The future is all Apple, just the names will change.

Thank you.

Vertical monopoly is a good way of putting it.  Milking machine is another.  You get to enjoy the grass on the proviso you keep donating regularly.  Folks are accountable just as much as the corporations in fact moreso because they stick their hands up to volunteer.  Apple didn't engineer (or did they?) the uncontrolled file sharing (piracy) that led toward iTunes providing a sanitized, legal, pay us instead version, that played right into Apples hands. It doesn't promote free-enterprise within the boundaries of nations, it kills a large part of it stone dead.  Like I said MS are struggling to keep up now and look almost quaint in their attempts to join in what's already happened.

Vertical monopoly and yet a vast herd is OK with that to the point of wanting to shut anyone up that isn't?

btw did anyone say if Logic was available outside the app. store yet?  It's quite a big thing that relates to the OP if the original vendor is having to pay the host commission just to appear on their format.

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Re:Would Sonar getting ported to Mac would be a total disaster? 2012/07/17 12:56:18 (permalink)
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btw did anyone say if Logic was available outside the app. store yet?  It's quite a big thing that relates to the OP if the original vendor is having to pay the host commission just to appear on their format.
There are copies left in the music stores I guess. I sometimes see it online over at Amazon and such. But I don't think it'll be the case for the next version.

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Re:Would Sonar getting ported to Mac would be a total disaster? 2012/07/17 13:03:40 (permalink)
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btw did anyone say if Logic was available outside the app. store yet?  It's quite a big thing that relates to the OP if the original vendor is having to pay the host commission just to appear on their format.
There are copies left in the music stores I guess. I sometimes see it online over at Amazon and such. But I don't think it'll be the case for the next version.


Thanks, I'll take that as a 'no' then.

Music stores used to take it I imagine because it contributed a line to their sales potential, now that business is Apples exclusively.  That's what I'm talking about.
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Re:Would Sonar getting ported to Mac would be a total disaster? 2012/07/17 13:09:16 (permalink)
Wait - for some odd reason, it shows up on Apple's own web site. The full Logic Studio Suite (That's Logic + MainStage +  Soundtrack Pro and all the rest.)

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB795Z/A

Only for a whooping $500. lol (Actually, considering everything that's in the box, it really is NOT expensive compared to the competition).

But, Logic and MainStage can be purchase for $225 in the app store. Considering that Soundtrack Pro is on its last leg, I wonder who in their right mind would order this.


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Re:Would Sonar getting ported to Mac would be a total disaster? 2012/07/17 13:12:24 (permalink)
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Jonbouy


btw did anyone say if Logic was available outside the app. store yet?  It's quite a big thing that relates to the OP if the original vendor is having to pay the host commission just to appear on their format.
There are copies left in the music stores I guess. I sometimes see it online over at Amazon and such. But I don't think it'll be the case for the next version.


Thanks, I'll take that as a 'no' then.

Music stores used to take it I imagine because it contributed a line to their sales potential, now that business is Apples exclusively.  That's what I'm talking about.

Apple needs to sell the hardware too - which is why places like Sweetwater, Sam Ash and such are "authorized resellers" and will likely remain. I guess that, as an authorized reseller, you had to distribute Logic as well. 

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Re:Would Sonar getting ported to Mac would be a total disaster? 2012/07/17 13:12:26 (permalink)
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Wait - for some odd reason, it shows up on Apple's own web site. The full Logic Studio Suite (That's Logic + MainStage +  Soundtrack Pro and all the rest.)

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB795Z/A

Only for a whooping $500. lol (Actually, considering everything that's in the box, it really is NOT expensive compared to the competition).

But, Logic and MainStage can be purchase for $225 in the app store. Considering that Soundtrack Pro is on its last leg, I wonder who in their right mind would order this.


You might find it still appears in that form to support some advertising copy somewhere that claims vast amounts off the RRP.  You're right who'd buy it at that price, but it's doubtful it's continued appearance is a mere mistake.
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Re:Would Sonar getting ported to Mac would be a total disaster? 2012/07/17 13:18:43 (permalink)
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Apple needs to sell the hardware too - which is why places like Sweetwater, Sam Ash and such are "authorized resellers" and will likely remain. I guess that, as an authorized reseller, you had to distribute Logic as well. 


Gotta love the terminology, no?

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Re:Would Sonar getting ported to Mac would be a total disaster? 2012/07/17 13:23:29 (permalink)
Many will be glad to hear the ubiquitous Mac vs PC debate will soon be over.

Long live Apple, the logical only choice...

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Re:Would Sonar getting ported to Mac would be a total disaster? 2012/07/17 13:37:32 (permalink)
I keep an eye on that thing - though I don't have an iPad. 
I know people love to hate gimmicks and consumer-level stuff, and to make almost apocalyptic claims about the pro-market, but what's consumer stuff now was cutting edge not so long ago.


48 tracks of audio on a friggin' tablet, how awesome is that. Don't have to like the idea of mixing those 48 tracks on such as small screen, but I can see potential integration into a larger set up.


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Re:Would Sonar getting ported to Mac would be a total disaster? 2012/07/17 14:22:44 (permalink)
 
What's a "SONAR"?

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Re:Would Sonar getting ported to Mac would be a total disaster? 2012/07/17 14:53:02 (permalink)
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Roland dropped 29 yen just yesterday. That was 4.73% of it's value. 

A few years ago that would have only been a 0.9% hit. 

It dropped from 679Y to 584Y in the past 8 days... and that's more like 14%. 

Cakewalk is pushing copies of Ozone Stutter edit to keep the keeping on, keeping on. 





Maybe Z3tA sales for Mac will turn it all around. 

If that happens... well, you know what's next. 

Bright shiny iPads for eveybody!!! Oh yeah I forgot... no iOS support. :-S 




I'm stocking up on strings for my acoustic guitar. 

lol...  there will always be guitar strings.  but hardware synths?  hardware guitar fx?   hardware mixing desks?   Anyways, that is what I was trying to express when I linked Alice Cooper's Trash....   "The market of the professional musician is very tough right now."


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Re:Would Sonar getting ported to Mac would be a total disaster? 2012/07/17 15:11:17 (permalink)
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Roland dropped 29 yen just yesterday. That was 4.73% of it's value. 

A few years ago that would have only been a 0.9% hit. 

It dropped from 679Y to 584Y in the past 8 days... and that's more like 14%. 

Cakewalk is pushing copies of Ozone Stutter edit to keep the keeping on, keeping on. 





Maybe Z3tA sales for Mac will turn it all around. 

If that happens... well, you know what's next. 

Bright shiny iPads for eveybody!!! Oh yeah I forgot... no iOS support. :-S 




I'm stocking up on strings for my acoustic guitar. 

lol...  there will always be guitar strings.  but hardware synths?  hardware guitar fx?   hardware mixing desks?   Anyways, that is what I was trying to express when I linked Alice Cooper's Trash....   "The market of the professional musician is very tough right now."


http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?ticker=7944:JP

I had a similar discussion w/ a couple of friends working on the inside a few months ago - the numbers are incredible. Seeing that even such household names were into such financial situations, man... That's enough to discourage anyone reasonable (but then, we're talking about artists) from even trying to get signed and record their first album. 

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Re:Would Sonar getting ported to Mac would be a total disaster? 2012/07/17 16:20:23 (permalink)
Hey sorry I went rogue into far-off-topic regions projectM and implied Mac users were stupid too apparently.

But hey Mac started it... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5z0Ia5jDt4 









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Re:Would Sonar getting ported to Mac would be a total disaster? 2012/07/17 16:48:49 (permalink)
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I keep an eye on that thing - though I don't have an iPad. 
I know people love to hate gimmicks and consumer-level stuff, and to make almost apocalyptic claims about the pro-market, but what's consumer stuff now was cutting edge not so long ago.


48 tracks of audio on a friggin' tablet, how awesome is that. Don't have to like the idea of mixing those 48 tracks on such as small screen, but I can see potential integration into a larger set up.

So far..  and not for much longer, as desktop still offers:  A huge hard disk.  Lots of RAM, and more cores than these tablets.  Also; a big huge desktop screen.


The biggest problem I've found, with switching DAWs, is the workflow one.  Now ofcourse, if you can mix in one, you can mix in another..  But they all have their own little quirks, that take about a year to figure out, and obviously some are far more featured than others.


I've got a 21.4 inch screen..  I'm not giving it up so easy.  I disdain the 6 month learning curve, of purchasing new DAWs, and frankly, its a good 3 or 4 years to really become an intermediate user with a new daw.


I haven't bought an iPad yet, but I do have an iPhone and I've got interesting news to report!!!!!!!!!!   I don't use any of the apps I've paid for.  I've stopped my app purchases.  I bought several apps for the iPhone when I first got it!  Everything from Aplitube, to Zen Meditation, and Stock quote this n that.  Beyond the first few dollars, and the first few days, I find that my software use: "on a desktop or laptop" has not transferred to the smart phone.  


I'm not ready to put, "the desktop in the storage bin," so to speak....  I'm sure we will be, "carrying out desktops down to the basement," over the next ten years...  some of us more quickly than others....


Shucks.. Consumers are already there.  LOL..  There is no reason for the average person to go out and buy a desktop computer.  You need to be somebody with:  A. Some sort of big office or business.  B.  Some sort of creative, who is kind stuck between desktops and laptops and tablets.


I'm both btw...  I run my own business.  And I play music.   

If I was a plumber with a stinky t-shirt, and a smelly wife..  I'd probably not bother getting my high-school aged student a big huge desktop PC for his/her school work...  I'd go to the Apple store and grab an iPad...  Cause that is exactly how apple has been marketing lately..  Thus...  Logic = $199 and soon to be < $99 I bet..   and also goodbye Mac towers!  Any day now...  

Exactly why Cakewalk should focus Sonar ---- > Cloud Services.  And totally never bother porting the thing to OS X.  As for Z3ta on Mac???  I hope they sell 10,000 copies!!   It would be great for the company.  Z3ta is fabulous synth.   

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Re:Would Sonar getting ported to Mac would be a total disaster? 2012/07/17 17:42:12 (permalink)
My interest in Aura is more curiosity than anything. I'm more than happy w/ Logic and PT. And I think they can benefit from development on that platform.

I think the way we approach mixing music will adapt and hopefully, we'll make the best out of the new technology while retaining the good things in current technology. 
When I transferred to the laptop - out of necessity -  the first thing I bought was a mouse, because I couldn't imagine doing serious work w/o one. Well, it's permanently hooked to my MacBook, but my hand rarely reaches for it. 

Reason being a feature that mimics a touchscreen surface like the iPad or iPhone - namely, the trackpad integration in Logic (I mentioned it in another thread). I can't see myself going back to something that revolves around a mouse and keyboard exclusively. Every time I switch to Pro Tools or Studio One, it's a pain to navigate and zoom the good old way. And that's pretty much the only time I go back to using a mouse.

So I think we can tray to remain open-minded about the way we do things -  the goal isn't to have a mouse to click on an icon of a magnifying glass and then move the cursor on a selection and zoom or to put your cursor over a scroll bar to navigate. A mouse can be handy to do that, but who says we can't cut off a few steps... And I'm sure there's plenty of things we got accustomed to doing a certain way which could be streamlined.  Cutting the middle man.

Sometimes, simplifying sucks, but sometimes, little gems emerge.

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Re:Would Sonar getting ported to Mac would be a total disaster? 2012/07/17 19:52:13 (permalink)
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Hey sorry I went rogue into far-off-topic regions projectM and implied Mac users were stupid too apparently.

But hey Mac started it... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5z0Ia5jDt4 

Ha ha, ok. Touché my friend

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