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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 14:10:47
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Mystic38
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computer monitors should not be in front of the plane of the near fields or you will get comb filtering as Mike suggests.
but it's pretty presumptuous to think that's what we all do or that our priorities are not for the sound.
I have 2 - 24" monitors between my speakers, but behind them in the plane of that triangle diagram. I know where my sweet spot is because I have small mirrors (2" diagonal) mounted on my speakers. when I can see my eyes in both mirrors, I'm in the right place for listening.
IF I need to edit WHILE listening, I have a wireless keyboard with me. Long arms are not required. 
Ditto.. i built an extension on the back of the desk for the monitors specifically for this reason.. and valued comment highlighted ;)
That seems like a great way to do it. Leave the displays further back, maybe even on a wall while bringing your speakers forward as far from the walls as possible. best regards, mike
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 14:17:28
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FBB, that's the way i ran my duals for a while. Now I upgraded my LR TV to HD3D and use the old 46" HD for my main monitor, a 23" and a 20". Laptop as the main computer, desktop as secondary, both use the same keyboard and share 1 of my xtra monitors with the Iogear monitor switcher. I can sit back further now, clients can see the screen from the couch. :) film stuff is funner that way too.
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 14:30:50
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The genius idea of not putting things in between the speaker and my ear had literally never occurred to me until Mike proved on the internet that he's smarter than the rest of us.
This is all well and good, but I occasionally use a pair of headphones. WHERE ON EARTH DO I PUT THEM!! Hopefully, the resident expert on this thread will be able to Google draw me a diagram 
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 14:34:51
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The genius idea of not putting things in between the speaker and my ear had literally never occurred to me until Mike proved on the internet that he's smarter than the rest of us.
This is all well and good, but I occasionally use a pair of headphones.
WHERE ON EARTH DO I PUT THEM!!
Hopefully, the resident expert on this thread will be able to Google draw me a diagram
I've read that being deprived of one of your senses can heighten the awareness of others. With that in mind I would put the headphones over your eyes which should mean you'll hear things better. The bonus is you'll then have no need for monitor screens either and you can get rid of those as well. Win, win, er...win I think.
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 14:42:14
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John T
The genius idea of not putting things in between the speaker and my ear had literally never occurred to me until Mike proved on the internet that he's smarter than the rest of us.
This is all well and good, but I occasionally use a pair of headphones.
WHERE ON EARTH DO I PUT THEM!!
Hopefully, the resident expert on this thread will be able to Google draw me a diagram
I've read that being deprived of one of your senses can heighten the awareness of others. With that in mind I would put the headphones over your eyes which should mean you'll hear things better. The bonus is you'll then have no need for monitor screens either and you can get rid of those as well. Win, win, er...win I think.
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 14:58:02
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I currently have (or did have when my studio was still in use) 2 x 24" monitors but am looking at 2 x 27" so that I can put them further away from me making sure they are plenty far behind the speaker field. ie behind the triangle used in finding the sweet spot.
Before I commit to that however I'm going to experiment using my 42" LED TV which works on a pixel by pixel basis with a 1920 x 1080 resolution.
Any thoughts!
take care of the pixel pitch on the 27" screens.. i think its smaller than the 24".. iirc a 1920*1200 24" has same pixel pitch as 30"..
umm, so why not make room for 2*42" and toss the glasses away?
Now why didn't I think of that? I know - I don't have enough room (or money) to put them in such a way that I could see the screens through my audio monitors. I guess I could put them higher so I could look over my monitors but I think I'd be laying so far back I'd nearly be lying on my back. lol
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 15:05:10
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I'm now thinking I'll put a third monitor above my keyboards. I've been trying to find the extension arm for my monitor wall mount and have just turned the house upside down, which is shame really as I found it in my van................ ....but that aside I've also realised that my screen management software (DisplayFusionPro) can't extend the desktop over two monitors and duplicate on the other one. Anyone know of any that can or is that not possible? How's that for a thread turnaround? From singing the praises of a single monitor to convincing myself I need three in the space of a few posts....
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 15:07:00
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I've read that being deprived of one of your senses can heighten the awareness of others. With that in mind I would put the headphones over your eyes which should mean you'll hear things better. The bonus is you'll then have no need for monitor screens either and you can get rid of those as well. Win, win, er...win I think.
Other may laugh at this. I've been doing that since before headphones were invented. I wonder if it shows in my mixes?
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 15:07:35
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Well that does it. I'm going to have to have my 2 x 27" as well as the 42 inch above them on the back wall.
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 15:08:31
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BTW, did I mention I have a 30" one?
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 15:31:15
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When I used Pro Tools I toyed with a 3rd monitor. With Sonar I'm quite happy with 2. If you have 'em, you might as well use 'em, even if it's just to have the manual open on the spare.
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 15:39:07
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 16:00:40
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Yeah Steve, that's a comfy looking computer chair you have there.
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 16:30:56
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LOL If I had a chair like that I'd sleep more than I'd make music. Comfy, warm, and a bit of music is enough to have me doing a nodding dog impression.
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 16:35:01
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synkrotron
Yeah Steve, that's a comfy looking computer chair you have there.
FastBikerBoy
LOL If I had a chair like that I'd sleep more than I'd make music. Comfy, warm, and a bit of music is enough to have me doing a nodding dog impression.
Gentlemen, I actually removed my extra-comfy footstool before I took that panorama so you wouldn't think I was a complete slob 
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 16:40:28
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SteveStrummerUK
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Yeah Steve, that's a comfy looking computer chair you have there.
FastBikerBoy
LOL If I had a chair like that I'd sleep more than I'd make music. Comfy, warm, and a bit of music is enough to have me doing a nodding dog impression.
Gentlemen, I actually removed my extra-comfy footstool before I took that panorama so you wouldn't think I was a complete slob
you assume too much. (we think you're a complete slob without the footstool! )
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 16:45:13
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 16:54:05
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 19:53:53
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Would a projection screen work, I wonder...one of those 5' by 9' jobbies....
The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate. Bushpianos
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 20:20:13
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I use dual 22's. I'm probably the oddball here but I almost always have X1's track view stretched to span the two monitors and occasionally I will open plugin UI's on the second monitor or float the multidock there. I find it useful when editing to get a horizontal view of most of the project since I can jump around and find sections much faster that way.
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 20:52:19
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 21:32:25
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I'm now thinking I'll put a third monitor above my keyboards. I've been trying to find the extension arm for my monitor wall mount and have just turned the house upside down, which is shame really as I found it in my van................
....but that aside I've also realised that my screen management software (DisplayFusionPro) can't extend the desktop over two monitors and duplicate on the other one. Anyone know of any that can or is that not possible?
How's that for a thread turnaround? From singing the praises of a single monitor to convincing myself I need three in the space of a few posts....
With 2 geforce vid cards controlling 3 monitors you can set one vid card to display duplicates on its 2 outputs via the control panel. Otherwise, I have seen video display splitter cables (ie a double adaptor) in the past.
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 21:42:00
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I went from 3 monitors down to one with X1. Then I replaced my 19" with a 23" and I noticed that the 19" fit perfectly into my rack full of unused old gear. Now I use the second monitor for my audio interface GUI .  " border="0" />
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 22:13:40
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Cool user name Joe B!!! Take the cannolis but leave the stiff.
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 22:24:08
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Now what I'd really like is a slide out MIDI keyboard tray for under my desk. You know, like the ones you can get for computer keyboards, but wider. It kind of sucks having both keyboard and MIDI keyboard on the same level. I usually have the music keyboard closest to me with the QWERTY keyboard behind it, but you know how much it sucks to have to reach over a music keyboard to type something. And I'm always trying to press an imaginary space bar on my MIDI keyboard 
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/28 01:58:54
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I'm now thinking I'll put a third monitor above my keyboards. I've been trying to find the extension arm for my monitor wall mount and have just turned the house upside down, which is shame really as I found it in my van................
....but that aside I've also realised that my screen management software (DisplayFusionPro) can't extend the desktop over two monitors and duplicate on the other one. Anyone know of any that can or is that not possible?
How's that for a thread turnaround? From singing the praises of a single monitor to convincing myself I need three in the space of a few posts....
With 2 geforce vid cards controlling 3 monitors you can set one vid card to display duplicates on its 2 outputs via the control panel. Otherwise, I have seen video display splitter cables (ie a double adaptor) in the past.
Thanks, I'm using ATi but I haven't really explored the possibilities from their software yet. I've also found out that UltraMon has a mirror function that allows a user to effectively copy one monitor view to another. In addition DisplayFusionPro has a mirror to window function which isn't quite as efficient but does much the same. I'm now thinking I'll just ignore the third monitor for display as such until I need it at which point I have keyboard shortcuts to jump Sonar from display to display so that'll work as well.
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I use dual 22's. I'm probably the oddball here but I almost always have X1's track view stretched to span the two monitors and occasionally I will open plugin UI's on the second monitor or float the multidock there. I find it useful when editing to get a horizontal view of most of the project since I can jump around and find sections much faster that way.
That's exactly how I've started to use these ones. I've always had duals but at different resolutions which makes the stretch option interesting to say the least. With two identical monitors though it works great.
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