panup



6. Empty lanes with Solo button on look confusing.

Hi Panup,
Have you figured out how these get created? I've been seeing them a bunch and I haven't been able to figure out what the recipe is to re-create them (and thus report them as a bug)...


Dean

This is definitely one of those "agree to disagree" moments...   While I do admit that layers are easier to grasp, actually working with them was never much fun for me.  Hence my "fiddly" comment early on... which was worse when dealing with clip envelopes, in layers, which was something I had done a fair bit.    Lanes make this so much easier IMHO.
 
However... I will also admit that I haven't done much heavy duty comp work in X2 either.   Though what I have done just "felt" better using lanes right from the get-go.    So here's to fixing the bugs and accessibility issues with lanes so that layers aren't missed quite so much.
 

FastBikerBoy

stickman393


I've just submitted a bug report about losing previously recorded MIDI data in a Take Lane, even with Sound-On-Sound Record enabled. 

Very frustrating!

I'm not sure under what circumstances you lost data but if you record into a specific take lane it will overwrite any existing material regardless of recording settings, that's by design I believe.

If you don't want that just record to the track and let Sonar create a new lane.

This doesn't explain why, in this scenario, audio clips are slip-edited, but midi clips are obliterated. Perhaps that inconsistancy is the actual bug.

stevec


This is definitely one of those "agree to disagree" moments...   While I do admit that layers are easier to grasp, actually working with them was never much fun for me.  Hence my "fiddly" comment early on... which was worse when dealing with clip envelopes, in layers, which was something I had done a fair bit.    Lanes make this so much easier IMHO.
 
However... I will also admit that I haven't done much heavy duty comp work in X2 either.   Though what I have done just "felt" better using lanes right from the get-go.    So here's to fixing the bugs and accessibility issues with lanes so that layers aren't missed quite so much.
 

+1.  I'm liking the lanes, I think with a couple of fixes and some small improvements they will be a big improvement over layers.  I have to admit that layers would be fine if they were not super buggy, but they never worked well for me.

RodC


I have mentioned this in other threads, take lanes use way too much real estate vs layers.  I wont be updating to X2 and I'm looking at other DAW packages.  I have been with cake since PA9, unless something drastic happens  I think I will be moving elsewhere.

Hi Rod...

While I agree with you completely about these Lanes issues, I can't find any other game in town... As with it's recent (last number of years) trend, Cakewalk is becoming more like the others in many ways. It's uniqueness filtering out.... I'm not happy about it. I avoided PT so much due to the lanes issues..... and now I'm being forced back into them...

But the Bakers have always been very alert to their' special abilities and I'm hoping they will rise to the occasion for this as well and offer us the first solution tat embraces both lanes and layers!

Keni

VariousArtist


For those that didn't use layers much, well of course it won't be missed.

But I used layers a LOT and I was fast at working with them.  There were issues that needed fixing, and perhaps these were enough to put some people off, but the workflow of layers is not replicated with lanes for audio work.  Not for me, and not by a long stretch.

I like lanes for automation, it was something I asked for, but I'm glad they kept the X1 way of working with envelopes for those that preferred the "old" way.  Layers should be there for those that prefer that way of working.

I'm with you here, but I preferred the original envelopes method in 8.5.3... In need of fixes and a few more features, but the fastest over all for me... I learned to live with X1 at a slightly reduced speed along with a bit more confusion (no discernable labels for the envelopes when not specifically selecting it)....  So at least here I can simply work the X1 way and ignore the automation lanes...

But the Track Lanes? Right now their' zoom issues alone have made them useless for me for comping. I've been forced back to record each loop on new track while feeding all to a bus to minimize plugin redundancy.... Messy but better than Lanes!

Keni

Now that I'm at the comping/mixing stage the "Notes" section is proving invaluable. I just went through every take of all the rhythm and lead parts deleting the crap and making notes on everything else. Now I know exactly the good and bad points of each, which ones are completely usable and which ones will need to be sliced up to comp with others or pad the final takes I use. All without weird naming conventions or having to listen back just to see what's what. Extremely useful.

Not so good... well these solo, mute and record buttons are a pain. I wish they made it so you could solo multiple takes. Also it sometimes takes a couple clicks to get the buttons to work which is annoying. I'd also like to be able to move the takes around so they are in the order I want. 

/2cents

I said it earlier in the thread... they definitely need some work but the concept is a massive step in the right direction IMO. It's made my recording sessions a million times easier but as with most things everyone's needs and tastes are different. I certainly hope they get refined with the patches as opposed to having to wait for the next full version. Not sure I'm gonna be in a position to afford the next upgrade so X2s gotta work. I'm getting a little annoyed with the little audio engine stops and crashes even though they are minor. Cheers.

Hey, dude. After reading what it's supposed to fix I got the impression it was geared towards fixing stuff I don't even use but maybe they added some extra tweaks or something. I guess I should go ahead and do it but I've just been kind of swamped with meatworld mayhem and am in the middle of a project so I'm not sure if it'll bork anything up. It's not THAT bad but little things like the white screen upon opening and  the random stops when quickly stopping and starting playback get tiresome. Hope you've been well. Cheers. 

Cool. I'll check it out when I have time... and yeah, trying to get a new Beepster cave happening. Getting a little anxious. :-/

This is so the screen does not look cluttered.

In the interim I suggest NOT using X2 for important stuff until we get some fixes for these types of design oversights.

Ah...you are probably right

@FBB... Ah yes. That'd do it. Thanks.