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cclarry Max Output Level: 0 dBFS Total Posts : 20964 Joined: 2012/02/07 09:42:07 Status: offline Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks... 2013/08/10 04:52:10 (permalink) The irony of complaining about abandonware and not being able to transfer software on the Cakewalk forum. Cakewalk has the same policy but nobody complains about it. How many people bought Sonar 8 that still have issues that they had to upgrade to X1 with in order to get a fix? Then had to upgrade to X2 to get those things fixed. I wish I could unload my copy of X1 to a new owner but nope Cakewalk says no go. How about them not updating Dimension Pro in even more time than Sampletank's last update? Cakewalk has not said a word about updating Dimension Pro but IK has said for 2 or 3 years that ST 3 is coming in the future and people want to rant rave and cry about it not being here yesterday. So much irony here. The biggest point of IRONY here is that you obviously haven't been reading ALL the posts involved in this LONG and ONGOING discussion, which goes way BEYOND this particular thread, nor do you seem to understand the discussion, and yet, want to give us "your ironic" opinion. It has nothing to do with WHAT I THINK the time frame should be...it has to do with PROMISES made YEARS AGO.... The SampleTank line has been around for roughly 5 years. The last update to ST was in 2010. It's NOW over half way through 2013, and 64 bit OS has been around for quite a while longer. MOST decent software companies keep their products CURRENT. However, IK hasn't. They've gone on an iCrap frenzy, using their resources to "gain NEW dollars" while neglecting their existing customers that have paid GOOD MONEY for products that now, for the most part are "outdated" and somewhat unusable. While they CAN be used, they don't take advantage of a technology (64 bit) that allows for better handling of memory and resources, even though that update has been promised for OVER 3 YEARS! We've gone through basicly 3 VERSIONS of Windows (all of which were 64 bit) and STILL the update to 64 bit is a NO SHOW. This is a DELIBERATE neglect on thier part, and HAS BEEN. They are, and have been, seeking NEW revenue, and EVERY company should do so, but NOT at the expense of existing customers and the products they've invested their money in, and have been promised support for. They've been promising SampleTank 3 for THREE YEARS....and nothing...yet they've pushed out, just in the past year, about a billion iCraps....and iCrap Hardware, then updated T-Racks and Amplitube, and added new apps for those, the ONLY products they had that were already 64 bit, rather then delivering on the promises made. I highly suggest you be a little "more" in the "know" about what you are speaking of, as this conversation has been ongoing for a GREAT length of time, and not confined to the limited space of this single thread. It has nothing to do with Cakewalk, and I agree that Cake has been majorly lax in a LOT of areas, while wasting resources on things that they should not be...that's another discussion, and YES, it does compare to this...but this conversation isn't IRONIC in the least... Cake has NEVER promised an update to Dimension Pro, and DP has been 64 bit for quite some time, so, while they haven't updated it in FOREVER, they've NEVER said they were going to...nor have they been promising one for YEARS!!! THAT is the issue here sir.... #31
Rain Max Output Level: 0 dBFS Total Posts : 9736 Joined: 2003/11/07 05:10:12 Location: Las Vegas Status: offline Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks... 2013/08/10 05:28:04 (permalink) MachineClaw Obi, I know IK is working on sampletank 3 and it will be out when it's out. Does IK have plans to update/upgrade any of the other products that are in the Total Studio 3 -Miroslav Philharmonik, Sonik Synth 2 and SampleMoog????? AAX, 64bit etc. (really only care about 64bit as I don't use ProTools but still). Honestly I really do not need another modeled compressor / limiter and the boutique amps n effects don't hold much interest for me in Amplitube but I can see others like them and use them. Oh and keep posting at Cakewalk - only way I can find out about some of the IK products is seeing the announcments you post or reply to others that have posted. (BTW the IK website has been down for 2 hours - really annoying hahahaha). I'm really not sure whether IK will update the individual custom players (Miroslav, Sonik Synth, etc) - however, since these can already be accessed directly via SampleTank, it's very likely that they will still usable in ST3. I seem to remember that IK confirmed that. TCB - Tea, Cats, Books... #32
cclarry Max Output Level: 0 dBFS Total Posts : 20964 Joined: 2012/02/07 09:42:07 Status: offline Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks... 2013/08/10 08:14:34 (permalink) Obi, You are a welcome (and valuable) asset in this forum, so don't take it personally... My statements are directed at a company that has apparently lost sight of those that made it what it is, in favor of "I" mania....and that's sad to me... AND, if they do that to these programs NOW, what's to say that the others aren't next? #33
Guitarpima Max Output Level: -34 dBFS Total Posts : 4125 Joined: 2005/11/19 23:53:59 Location: Terra 3 Status: offline Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks... 2013/08/10 13:02:54 (permalink) I saw the same thing Ol'e pal. I'm pretty sure you're correct and everything will be available for just ST3. I second CCLarry's remark. I don't hold any bad feeling toward you. I just think the IK forum is lunacy. Why have a forum if you don't want people getting help from other people? I can see deleting posts that are rude but when you delete them because you don't like dissent, that's just to gestapo'esqu to me. Maybe gestapo is a bit harsh but there you go. Notation, the original DAW. Everything else is just rote. We are who we are and no more than another. Humans, you people are crazy. Win 7 x64 X2 Intel DX58SO, Intel i7 920 2.66ghz 12gb DDR3 ASUS ATI EAH5750 650w PSU 4x WD HDs 320gb DVD, DVD RW Eleven Rack, KRK Rokit 8s and 10s sub #34
IK Obi Max Output Level: -60 dBFS Total Posts : 1549 Joined: 2011/02/22 20:25:48 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Status: offline Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks... 2013/08/11 15:21:24 (permalink) Rain MachineClaw Obi, I know IK is working on sampletank 3 and it will be out when it's out. Does IK have plans to update/upgrade any of the other products that are in the Total Studio 3 -Miroslav Philharmonik, Sonik Synth 2 and SampleMoog????? AAX, 64bit etc. (really only care about 64bit as I don't use ProTools but still). Honestly I really do not need another modeled compressor / limiter and the boutique amps n effects don't hold much interest for me in Amplitube but I can see others like them and use them. Oh and keep posting at Cakewalk - only way I can find out about some of the IK products is seeing the announcments you post or reply to others that have posted. (BTW the IK website has been down for 2 hours - really annoying hahahaha). I'm really not sure whether IK will update the individual custom players (Miroslav, Sonik Synth, etc) - however, since these can already be accessed directly via SampleTank, it's very likely that they will still usable in ST3. I seem to remember that IK confirmed that. Yes. The next generation of SampleTank will be able to read all of the current libraries inside of it, plus a few extras.... Rain MachineClaw Obi, I know IK is working on sampletank 3 and it will be out when it's out. Does IK have plans to update/upgrade any of the other products that are in the Total Studio 3 -Miroslav Philharmonik, Sonik Synth 2 and SampleMoog????? AAX, 64bit etc. (really only care about 64bit as I don't use ProTools but still). Honestly I really do not need another modeled compressor / limiter and the boutique amps n effects don't hold much interest for me in Amplitube but I can see others like them and use them. Oh and keep posting at Cakewalk - only way I can find out about some of the IK products is seeing the announcments you post or reply to others that have posted. (BTW the IK website has been down for 2 hours - really annoying hahahaha). I'm really not sure whether IK will update the individual custom players (Miroslav, Sonik Synth, etc) - however, since these can already be accessed directly via SampleTank, it's very likely that they will still usable in ST3. I seem to remember that IK confirmed that. You seem to bring up our iOS/Android stuff more than I do. Example: Digital Trends tests iRig Mic Cast with Android Phone App Advice concludes "the clarity of sound with iRig HD is fantastic" Enter Now to Win Jimi Hendrix Albums & IK Mobile Music Gear! IK’s Special iPhone Apps Sale iRig MIX & GrooveMaker Special Anniversary Sale! iRig Mic Android App of the Week: Talkbox iRig MIX Android App of the Week: DJ Studio 5 148 Apps finds both iRig HD and AmpliTube Studio to be "outstanding" CD Baby Reviews iRig HD iLoud Now Available for Pre-Orders iRig HD: "I can't get enough of the thing!" iKlip Stand, the desktop riser stand, now available iRig BlueBoard now open for pre-orders And those are just from the last 2ish weeks. We have far more updates I could link as well, but I know these forums don't care about these things. So I don't post them. Yet you love to bring them up? Why would advancing musical technology be sad? It is what IK Multimedia has been known for since the 90s. Guitarpima I saw the same thing Ol'e pal. I'm pretty sure you're correct and everything will be available for just ST3. I second CCLarry's remark. I don't hold any bad feeling toward you. I just think the IK forum is lunacy. Why have a forum if you don't want people getting help from other people? I can see deleting posts that are rude but when you delete them because you don't like dissent, that's just to gestapo'esqu to me. Maybe gestapo is a bit harsh but there you go. The IK forums have always been to talk about technique, recording, performing and how users are using our gear. Sharing their music, set ups and gear/feature requests. We have always said that the forums are NOT for support/technical issues (We have a whole department for that, I think we call them support?) But that's all besides the point. We want to create conversation, not just be told we suck at what we do. Because we don't. We have been the LEADERS in our Industry and one that other legendary companies are looking towards and working with. No longer with IK. Here is my Website \| Twitter \| YouTube \| Facebook \| Instagram #35
IK Obi Max Output Level: -60 dBFS Total Posts : 1549 Joined: 2011/02/22 20:25:48 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Status: offline Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks... 2013/08/11 15:22:31 (permalink) But I'm done with this thread. I'm checking out for a few days because I'm not here to argue. New gear for the AmpliTube and T-Racks Custom Shop....I thought thats what you guys have wanted. More software updates for the studio guys, with more coming. But instead its become this... No longer with IK. Here is my Website \| Twitter \| YouTube \| Facebook \| Instagram #36
Ham N Egz Max Output Level: 0 dBFS Total Posts : 15161 Joined: 2005/01/21 14:27:49 Location: Arpadhon Status: offline Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks... 2013/08/11 15:31:16 (permalink) IK Obi But I'm done with this thread. I'm checking out for a few days because I'm not here to argue. New gear for the AmpliTube and T-Racks Custom Shop....I thought thats what you guys have wanted. More software updates for the studio guys, with more coming. But instead its become this... You can come over to my thread, at least your welcome there by the majority... Green Acres is the place to be I dont twitter, facebook, snapchat, instagram,linkedin,tumble,pinterest,flick, blah blah,lets have an old fashioned conversation! #37
Eddie TX Max Output Level: -68 dBFS Total Posts : 1104 Joined: 2012/08/15 11:47:42 Status: offline Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks... 2013/08/11 16:14:31 (permalink) IK Obi But I'm done with this thread. I'm checking out for a few days because I'm not here to argue. New gear for the AmpliTube and T-Racks Custom Shop....I thought thats what you guys have wanted. More software updates for the studio guys, with more coming. But instead its become this... Good grief, Obi. Why is it that you, a representative of a company that's trying to sell us products, seem to think that getting into public battles with customers makes you look good? Whatever happened to the maxim "the customer is always right?" Trying to prove people wrong, constantly touting your firm as the best, spamming multiple threads with the latest product announcement -- none of it engenders goodwill for you. I suggest adopting a more respectful attitude toward the users of this and other forums. We're the ones who ultimately pay your bills, after all. Don't bother responding to trolls, "haters," and whining about how IK does things (that's right, even my own whining -- it won't change anything, anyway). Your post I quoted above was completely unnecessary. It just makes you look petulant and thin-skinned. I'm not saying you shouldn't ever post here -- if you have helpful information, it's always appreciated. But getting into fights doesn't do anybody any good. Cheers, Eddie Sonar X3 Producer / Win 10 The future exists in all directions. #38
rtucker55 Max Output Level: -53.5 dBFS Total Posts : 2177 Joined: 2005/06/20 21:11:47 Location: Hope, Indiana Status: offline Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks... 2013/08/11 18:06:59 (permalink) Hey Obi, You said "The next generation of SampleTank will be able to read all of the current libraries inside of it, plus a few extras...." Can you give us some hints about the "few extras"? Does that mean there are other current formats that it will read? If we guess, can you tell us were right or wrong? Purrrfect Audio DAW here. Wow!... #39
ohgrant Max Output Level: -35.5 dBFS Total Posts : 3966 Joined: 2007/03/27 22:53:01 Status: offline Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks... 2013/08/11 18:20:15 (permalink) Oh dear, Obi meltdown again? They sure don't make Jedi like they use to... Please be gentle with the IK reps, they are apparently not accustomed to free speech post edited by ohgrant - 2013/08/11 18:42:23 Me #40
cclarry Max Output Level: 0 dBFS Total Posts : 20964 Joined: 2012/02/07 09:42:07 Status: offline Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks... 2013/08/11 20:12:24 (permalink) I like Obi being here and I respect him... What I don't like are the policies of the company from which he draws his paycheck... Let's say, back in 2009 I bought each of the individual SampleTank instruments at full price (many did)... That would be over $1000 worth of Plugins that have not been updated in 4 years.... During the course of that time, Amplitube has been updated several times...and ported to 64 bit. T-Racks has been updated several times, and been ported to 64 bit. Many new things have been added to both packages, while the ST line has been COMPLETELY NEGLECTED. They've had time to do all these updates on these other programs. Why? Because they sold MORE OF THEM, so the revenue, IK believes, would be greater. Now down to brass tacks... IF the ST line had been updated to 64 bit several years ago, they would have sold A TON OF THEM. No if's, and's or but's. Instead, IK chose to let them sit and rot, while the competition went full force ahead with 64 bit, several version changes, new gear, better samples...etc...etc...and sold a TON....including to many here and elsewhere who simply LEFT IK's sampler for better ground. Obi, take off your IK hat for a minute and think about it LOGICALLY...from a customers perspective... Would you be happy if you had invested $1000 in products that weren't being supported by the company that says they are "ON TOP" of all the trends? I certainly am not. Not the least bit. You want to "fluff and buff" your way around it...but, truth be told, it's a PATHETIC statement for your company... They simply "blew off" thousands of customers who purchased these products. WHY? Because some corporate guru mucky muck decided there was more money in iCrap, and to redirect his programming staff in THAT direction. Now, he'll get his Golden Parachute...and his employees will get the fall out....catch my drift? Don't neglect existing customers in favor of NEW business. Go get the new business...that's a great idea... but NOT at the expense and support of existing customers...THAT is not good Corporate policy. Most of your ST line customers have already given up...they've gone to some other sampler...after 4 years of no updates, even after it was promised, wouldn't you have gone elsewhere? That's just common sense. People will buy what's being supported. People WON'T buy what's not being supported. And THAT is why IK has been trying to pawn the ST Line off in sales for the past 2 years...because they can't sell the stupid things and think it's because people don't want them. That's not the case at all. People aren't buying them because THEY AREN'T BEING SUPPORTED!!!! DUH!!! If your running a 64 bit system, with a 64 bit DAW and 64 bit VST's and 64 bit VSTi's...and have been for YEARS, are YOU going to buy a FOUR YEAR OLD NON-SUPPORTED NON-UPDATED 32 BIT SAMPLER? Nope...your going to go where you can get updates and 64 bit....and MOST of the FREE Samplers are even 64 bit....while IK still sits on the pity pot and says....well we gave you the OTHER things that you didn't really ask for but we think we'll sell more of ...so here you go...and be happy about it. So think about that with a LOGICAL CUSTOMER point of view...not a CORPORATE one....and you'll realize why it's a problem... Customers don't like throwing their hard earned cash AWAY, not being supported, and THEN being told...oh too bad, we'll get to you when we're good and ready, sorry we've hurt your feelings..here's an iApp...and an iHardware, and MORE T-Racks and MORE Amplitube, while we continue to hold out on a product that should have been released 3 years ago... Emm....I'm thinking that that's not a good business ethic...and, as I stated before, if it's NOT the BE ALL AND END ALL OF SAMPLERS... you might as well just cancel the SampleTank Line...and that will piss off a lot of customers who invested their money as well.. Here's hoping iK gets their iAct together... #41
KevWest Max Output Level: -90 dBFS Total Posts : 28 Joined: 2013/04/21 22:44:45 Location: Seattle, WA Status: offline Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks... 2013/08/11 20:57:33 (permalink) cclarry The irony of complaining about abandonware and not being able to transfer software on the Cakewalk forum. Cakewalk has the same policy but nobody complains about it. How many people bought Sonar 8 that still have issues that they had to upgrade to X1 with in order to get a fix? Then had to upgrade to X2 to get those things fixed. I wish I could unload my copy of X1 to a new owner but nope Cakewalk says no go. How about them not updating Dimension Pro in even more time than Sampletank's last update? Cakewalk has not said a word about updating Dimension Pro but IK has said for 2 or 3 years that ST 3 is coming in the future and people want to rant rave and cry about it not being here yesterday. So much irony here. The biggest point of IRONY here is that you obviously haven't been reading ALL the posts involved in this LONG and ONGOING discussion, which goes way BEYOND this particular thread, nor do you seem to understand the discussion, and yet, want to give us "your ironic" opinion. It has nothing to do with WHAT I THINK the time frame should be...it has to do with PROMISES made YEARS AGO.... The SampleTank line has been around for roughly 5 years. The last update to ST was in 2010. It's NOW over half way through 2013, and 64 bit OS has been around for quite a while longer. MOST decent software companies keep their products CURRENT. However, IK hasn't. They've gone on an iCrap frenzy, using their resources to "gain NEW dollars" while neglecting their existing customers that have paid GOOD MONEY for products that now, for the most part are "outdated" and somewhat unusable. While they CAN be used, they don't take advantage of a technology (64 bit) that allows for better handling of memory and resources, even though that update has been promised for OVER 3 YEARS! We've gone through basicly 3 VERSIONS of Windows (all of which were 64 bit) and STILL the update to 64 bit is a NO SHOW. This is a DELIBERATE neglect on thier part, and HAS BEEN. They are, and have been, seeking NEW revenue, and EVERY company should do so, but NOT at the expense of existing customers and the products they've invested their money in, and have been promised support for. They've been promising SampleTank 3 for THREE YEARS....and nothing...yet they've pushed out, just in the past year, about a billion iCraps....and iCrap Hardware, then updated T-Racks and Amplitube, and added new apps for those, the ONLY products they had that were already 64 bit, rather then delivering on the promises made. I highly suggest you be a little "more" in the "know" about what you are speaking of, as this conversation has been ongoing for a GREAT length of time, and not confined to the limited space of this single thread. It has nothing to do with Cakewalk, and I agree that Cake has been majorly lax in a LOT of areas, while wasting resources on things that they should not be...that's another discussion, and YES, it does compare to this...but this conversation isn't IRONIC in the least... Cake has NEVER promised an update to Dimension Pro, and DP has been 64 bit for quite some time, so, while they haven't updated it in FOREVER, they've NEVER said they were going to...nor have they been promising one for YEARS!!! THAT is the issue here sir.... Yawn. I am aware of what your issue is there. You want it to be 64 bit as if the 32 bit doesn't work in Sonar 64 bit. Sonar does come with a bit bridge so it still works. They have been saying for a while ST3 is coming for sure and it will come when it comes. Not being here yesterday doesn't mean that its not coming. You aren't saying anything about IK that people haven't been saying all over the net but I am not following why complain about it not being updated in years or being "up to date" when Cakewalk's own stuff is archaic itself. I use Dimension Pro as an example because that browser is hideous and very 2004. Sampletank hasn't been updated in 3 years it really doesn't need to be 64 bit in its current form. Its not going to take advantage of it and if they are already working on a new version of the software then why not just wait for it. Its still irony to complain about abandonware on the Cakewalk forum when Cakewalk has a long record of abandoning software. IK "abandoned" their instrument line which is still odd because they have been saying for months now that it will be out before the end of 2013. People rage about the ios stuff but have you ever considered that maybe they are completely overhauling Sampletank and that's why its taking so long? Keep in mind ST 2 is 10 years old. Those libraries could use an update they sound 10 years old. I am ready for ST 3 as much as anyone else but jumping down their throats for doing anything besides ST3 every time you hear about IK isn't going to make it come any faster. I don't think the issue is IK I think its people demanding that they work on your schedule rather than their own. I am gonna keep using Kontakt until ST 3 is ready to go I suggest you do the same. #42
KevWest Max Output Level: -90 dBFS Total Posts : 28 Joined: 2013/04/21 22:44:45 Location: Seattle, WA Status: offline Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks... 2013/08/11 21:18:06 (permalink) Random fact people complain about 64 bit compatibility but at least half of the major DAWs out there have only recently gone 64 bit. Of course Sonar did first they usually are early adopters to new technology but when we look at what DAWs have gone 64 bit since 2011 we have Studio One, Reason, FL Studio, Pro Tools, and Ableton. The need hasn't been there until more recently but of course people want what they want yesterday. Its no different than the Pro Tools guys being mad at NI because their stuff isn't AAX 64 bit yet. It will happen it just hasn't happened yet. #43
cclarry Max Output Level: 0 dBFS Total Posts : 20964 Joined: 2012/02/07 09:42:07 Status: offline Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks... 2013/08/11 21:52:18 (permalink) Kevwest, You're right...it's not going to come any faster....because of people like yourself who sit back and let the COMPANY dictate to you who, what, and when, when in fact, the COMPANY should be responding TO YOU THE CUSTOMER, who is the ENTIRE REASON that the Company exists! We have this exact same issue in Government. Cakewalks products may be archaic to you...but they work perfectly fine, and get the job done...and ARE 64 bit... and Cakewalk has made no promises to update Dimension Pro...so take YOUR OWN ADVICE and STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT IT!!! And why hijack MY THREAD to post your complaints about Dimension Pro? I'm just curious. My points are indeed valid and legitimate...your point is legitimate as well, but should be posted in a different thread, not this one that relates to IK Products.. You are certainly entitled to your "opinion", but MOST here completely disagree with your perspective... My favorite quote from your post: "You aren't saying anything about IK that people haven't been saying all over the net" I hope Obi reads that...I'm well aware of it... YET you have some desire to berate me for a legitimate complaint about IK, and then you hijack my IK thread for YOUR OWN PERSONAL COMPLAINT AGAINST CAKEWALK....that seems petty and unprofessional... If IK is overhauling ST, it should have been done 3 YEARS AGO, when it was promised...not now, after releasing a BILLION iCraps, and iHardware, and iKeys, and iThis, and iThat, and updates to programs that have JUST BEEN UPDATED.... I don't demand they work on my time frame, I merely state that they shouldn't promise things and not deliver, they shouldn't neglect customers who've spent hundreds, if not thousands of dollars on programs that haven't been supported in 4 years, while they keep flooding us with other things and NOT the thing that was promised years ago... that, to me, is a breach of ethics for the sake of a dollar...not good business policy IMHO. Also, not sure if you're aware or not but "BitBridge" is at times "buggy" and it limits the amount of memory a VST can utilize. With Samplers, that's an issue....especially in a Large Scale Project... And THESE THINGS are the issues being addressed.... I do appreciate your perspective! #44
MachineClaw Max Output Level: -68 dBFS Total Posts : 1116 Joined: 2012/10/08 00:15:28 Status: offline Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks... 2013/08/12 00:00:06 (permalink) This thread has gotten so out of hand. just beating on Obi. I personally could care less about sampletank 3 or when it comes out. shheeeh. sampletank 3 was promised 3 years ago. news flash there was a HUGE recession and to keep business floating as things change rapidly new business needed to be worked on to pay the bills. worked the IK iapps have been a huge success, even if you don't like them or I don't use them they are a HUGE part of IK and their business. Now they have some resources to put into Sampletank 3 and get back to what they had originally planned, we'll see if it's any good once it's released. I almost kinda wished that IK had come out and said nope, we are abandoning that old stuff it is what it is. then ya'll could rest peacefully. though ya would probably still **** and moan that ya didn't get what ya paid for or were promised. can't ya just wait and see or let it go? really? doesn't matter. this thread has made me want to go linger somewhere else for a while. way too much heat here. #45
KevWest Max Output Level: -90 dBFS Total Posts : 28 Joined: 2013/04/21 22:44:45 Location: Seattle, WA Status: offline Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks... 2013/08/12 04:28:46 (permalink) cclarry Kevwest, You're right...it's not going to come any faster....because of people like yourself who sit back and let the COMPANY dictate to you who, what, and when, when in fact, the COMPANY should be responding TO YOU THE CUSTOMER, who is the ENTIRE REASON that the Company exists! We have this exact same issue in Government. Cakewalks products may be archaic to you...but they work perfectly fine, and get the job done...and ARE 64 bit... and Cakewalk has made no promises to update Dimension Pro...so take YOUR OWN ADVICE and STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT IT!!! And why hijack MY THREAD to post your complaints about Dimension Pro? I'm just curious. My points are indeed valid and legitimate...your point is legitimate as well, but should be posted in a different thread, not this one that relates to IK Products.. You are certainly entitled to your "opinion", but MOST here completely disagree with your perspective... My favorite quote from your post: "You aren't saying anything about IK that people haven't been saying all over the net" I hope Obi reads that...I'm well aware of it... YET you have some desire to berate me for a legitimate complaint about IK, and then you hijack my IK thread for YOUR OWN PERSONAL COMPLAINT AGAINST CAKEWALK....that seems petty and unprofessional... If IK is overhauling ST, it should have been done 3 YEARS AGO, when it was promised...not now, after releasing a BILLION iCraps, and iHardware, and iKeys, and iThis, and iThat, and updates to programs that have JUST BEEN UPDATED.... I don't demand they work on my time frame, I merely state that they shouldn't promise things and not deliver, they shouldn't neglect customers who've spent hundreds, if not thousands of dollars on programs that haven't been supported in 4 years, while they keep flooding us with other things and NOT the thing that was promised years ago... that, to me, is a breach of ethics for the sake of a dollar...not good business policy IMHO. Also, not sure if you're aware or not but "BitBridge" is at times "buggy" and it limits the amount of memory a VST can utilize. With Samplers, that's an issue....especially in a Large Scale Project... And THESE THINGS are the issues being addressed.... I do appreciate your perspective! My points about Dimension Pro were to make a point of the hypocrisy of the issue here. You complain about Sampletank not being 64 bit or being updated in years but it A) Still works perfectly fine and even works with the 64 bit version of Sonar or with J Bridge if you are using another DAW and B) Just because its been promised does not mean its not going to happen. Its odd how you turned that into an issue with Dimension Pro. I have my beef with DP and a lot of things Cakewalk does so for the most part I use other things that replace those tools. The only Cakewalk tool I use is Zeta 2. I would love to use Rapture again if they updated the browser. I only came into this thread because I love the new T-Racks module and modules. One last thing why are you talking about me hijacking your thread when you started a thread about T-Racks and Amplitube but have spent the bulk of it crying about Sampletank not being 64 bit. I am not the problem its people like you who instead of fixing your problem go on and blame someone else for YOUR issues. Its not IK's fault that you chose to move on to a 64 bit DAW. That is on you. Again most of the major DAWs have only gone 64 bit in the last year or two so IK is doing fine since not every user is on a 64 bit DAW yet. Many people are still using 32 bit solutions and are not early adopters to new technology. And considering Sampletank was designed with 32 bit in mind back in what 2001? Its current form really does not need 64 bit for anything more than compatibility with other DAWs. I know bit bridges can be buggy and annoying and I am as ready for Sampletank 3 as anyone else but it is a issue when someone such as yourself looks at a company releasing a new product and uses it as ammunition for beating them up for not updating the product that you want them to update. To my understanding they are totally overhauling Sampletank new sample library, new gui, new everything and that takes time. They haven't lied or broken any promises they just haven't finished fullfilling that promise and people have grown impatient. I personally am choosing to use Kontakt until Sampletank 3 is ready I suggest you consider doing the same because again beating up on Obi will not make Sampletank 3 come out any faster. He isn't even a plug in developer he's an online rep to tell people about their products. #46
KevWest Max Output Level: -90 dBFS Total Posts : 28 Joined: 2013/04/21 22:44:45 Location: Seattle, WA Status: offline Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks... 2013/08/12 04:28:49 (permalink) cclarry Kevwest, You're right...it's not going to come any faster....because of people like yourself who sit back and let the COMPANY dictate to you who, what, and when, when in fact, the COMPANY should be responding TO YOU THE CUSTOMER, who is the ENTIRE REASON that the Company exists! We have this exact same issue in Government. Cakewalks products may be archaic to you...but they work perfectly fine, and get the job done...and ARE 64 bit... and Cakewalk has made no promises to update Dimension Pro...so take YOUR OWN ADVICE and STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT IT!!! And why hijack MY THREAD to post your complaints about Dimension Pro? I'm just curious. My points are indeed valid and legitimate...your point is legitimate as well, but should be posted in a different thread, not this one that relates to IK Products.. You are certainly entitled to your "opinion", but MOST here completely disagree with your perspective... My favorite quote from your post: "You aren't saying anything about IK that people haven't been saying all over the net" I hope Obi reads that...I'm well aware of it... YET you have some desire to berate me for a legitimate complaint about IK, and then you hijack my IK thread for YOUR OWN PERSONAL COMPLAINT AGAINST CAKEWALK....that seems petty and unprofessional... If IK is overhauling ST, it should have been done 3 YEARS AGO, when it was promised...not now, after releasing a BILLION iCraps, and iHardware, and iKeys, and iThis, and iThat, and updates to programs that have JUST BEEN UPDATED.... I don't demand they work on my time frame, I merely state that they shouldn't promise things and not deliver, they shouldn't neglect customers who've spent hundreds, if not thousands of dollars on programs that haven't been supported in 4 years, while they keep flooding us with other things and NOT the thing that was promised years ago... that, to me, is a breach of ethics for the sake of a dollar...not good business policy IMHO. Also, not sure if you're aware or not but "BitBridge" is at times "buggy" and it limits the amount of memory a VST can utilize. With Samplers, that's an issue....especially in a Large Scale Project... And THESE THINGS are the issues being addressed.... I do appreciate your perspective! My points about Dimension Pro were to make a point of the hypocrisy of the issue here. You complain about Sampletank not being 64 bit or being updated in years but it A) Still works perfectly fine and even works with the 64 bit version of Sonar or with J Bridge if you are using another DAW and B) Just because its been promised does not mean its not going to happen. Its odd how you turned that into an issue with Dimension Pro. I have my beef with DP and a lot of things Cakewalk does so for the most part I use other things that replace those tools. The only Cakewalk tool I use is Zeta 2. I would love to use Rapture again if they updated the browser. I only came into this thread because I love the new T-Racks module and modules. One last thing why are you talking about me hijacking your thread when you started a thread about T-Racks and Amplitube but have spent the bulk of it crying about Sampletank not being 64 bit. I am not the problem its people like you who instead of fixing your problem go on and blame someone else for YOUR issues. Its not IK's fault that you chose to move on to a 64 bit DAW. That is on you. Again most of the major DAWs have only gone 64 bit in the last year or two so IK is doing fine since not every user is on a 64 bit DAW yet. Many people are still using 32 bit solutions and are not early adopters to new technology. And considering Sampletank was designed with 32 bit in mind back in what 2001? Its current form really does not need 64 bit for anything more than compatibility with other DAWs. I know bit bridges can be buggy and annoying and I am as ready for Sampletank 3 as anyone else but it is a issue when someone such as yourself looks at a company releasing a new product and uses it as ammunition for beating them up for not updating the product that you want them to update. To my understanding they are totally overhauling Sampletank new sample library, new gui, new everything and that takes time. They haven't lied or broken any promises they just haven't finished fullfilling that promise and people have grown impatient. I personally am choosing to use Kontakt until Sampletank 3 is ready I suggest you consider doing the same because again beating up on Obi will not make Sampletank 3 come out any faster. He isn't even a plug in developer he's an online rep to tell people about their products. #47
KevWest Max Output Level: -90 dBFS Total Posts : 28 Joined: 2013/04/21 22:44:45 Location: Seattle, WA Status: offline Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks... 2013/08/12 04:33:34 (permalink) MachineClaw This thread has gotten so out of hand. just beating on Obi. I personally could care less about sampletank 3 or when it comes out. shheeeh. sampletank 3 was promised 3 years ago. news flash there was a HUGE recession and to keep business floating as things change rapidly new business needed to be worked on to pay the bills. worked the IK iapps have been a huge success, even if you don't like them or I don't use them they are a HUGE part of IK and their business. Now they have some resources to put into Sampletank 3 and get back to what they had originally planned, we'll see if it's any good once it's released. I almost kinda wished that IK had come out and said nope, we are abandoning that old stuff it is what it is. then ya'll could rest peacefully. though ya would probably still **** and moan that ya didn't get what ya paid for or were promised. can't ya just wait and see or let it go? really? doesn't matter. this thread has made me want to go linger somewhere else for a while. way too much heat here. +1 Well I am excited to see Sampletank 3 come out. IK has been saying for years its coming but never said when. Now they say by the end of 2012 so in all reality we will most likely see ST 3 come out in the next 90 days so they can get some of that Christmas money. I still find it absurd though to rage against a company for not working the way that you want them to work. Is it frustrating? Of course hell I am a long time Reason owner I know how frustrating it is to not get what you want out of the software you paid for but you at some point have to make a choice. My choice was to not upgrade to Reason 7 move on to Sonar X1 which I was also unhappy with and ended up using Live which I love and making music. #48
cclarry Max Output Level: 0 dBFS Total Posts : 20964 Joined: 2012/02/07 09:42:07 Status: offline Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks... 2013/08/12 08:36:31 (permalink) YUTES... Not one person in here is beating on Obi....hate to pop yer bubble... and you are the one who brought up your issues with Cake and DP... and if you read the VERY FIRST LINE IN MY POST IT STATES SAMPLETANK 3 IS STILL A NO SHOW....DUH! Keep slinging those dollars at this company boys...they love ya for it... and they'll treat ya right... As my Uncle always used to say to me... A fool and his money are soon a party... post edited by cclarry - 2013/08/12 08:42:26 #49
Guitarpima Max Output Level: -34 dBFS Total Posts : 4125 Joined: 2005/11/19 23:53:59 Location: Terra 3 Status: offline Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks... 2013/08/12 14:59:30 (permalink) @IK Obi I NEVER said IK suck at what they do. I did say the IK forum is run like the gestapo. Why? Because there is no free speech there. Don't put words in my mouth when you can't even process what was said. If saying that ST3 has been touted as "in the works" for over 2 years now, that's not saying IK sucks. That's saying you guys at IK have been saying that for over 2 years now. Is that clear enough? So you guys at IK can keep on making great plug ins and saying ST3 is in the works. Please come back in 2 years when ST3 is done and let us know. Also, please let us know of other great plug ins along the way. Notation, the original DAW. Everything else is just rote. We are who we are and no more than another. Humans, you people are crazy. Win 7 x64 X2 Intel DX58SO, Intel i7 920 2.66ghz 12gb DDR3 ASUS ATI EAH5750 650w PSU 4x WD HDs 320gb DVD, DVD RW Eleven Rack, KRK Rokit 8s and 10s sub #50
IK_Multimedia Max Output Level: -76 dBFS Total Posts : 723 Joined: 2009/12/04 19:31:19 Location: Worldwide Status: offline Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks... 2013/08/13 15:24:24 (permalink) Guitarpima @IK Obi I NEVER said IK suck at what they do. I did say the IK forum is run like the gestapo. Why? Because there is no free speech there. Don't put words in my mouth when you can't even process what was said. If saying that ST3 has been touted as "in the works" for over 2 years now, that's not saying IK sucks. That's saying you guys at IK have been saying that for over 2 years now. Is that clear enough? So you guys at IK can keep on making great plug ins and saying ST3 is in the works. Please come back in 2 years when ST3 is done and let us know. Also, please let us know of other great plug ins along the way. I'll let IK Obi handle it from here forward, but just a one thing he may not have pointed out to you that should be crystal clear, and an offer to show confidence that your final statement about ST3 in 2 years is way off: 1. There is no "free speech" on any forum, and it isn't any different on a company forum like IK's. You agreed to whatever rules were set out there on the IK forum and moderators do their job to enforce those rules and if you do not agree with the rules or the enforcement of said rules you are welcome to avoid using the forum or contact an administrator, etc to make your case. Seems pretty clear, and not unique to the IK forum. 2. SampleTank 3 will be out by end of this year, 2013. If not, I authorize Obi to give you you a serial for T-RackS CS Grand and another for AmpliTube 3 with his and IK's compliments. That's a lot of $$ worth of software, and some crow to eat so you can see that this isn't a bet that is expected to be lost. I hope that helps. I'll let IK Obi take it from here. #51
The Maillard Reaction Max Output Level: 0 dBFS Total Posts : 31918 Joined: 2004/07/09 20:02:20 Status: offline Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks... 2013/08/13 16:29:38 (permalink) Hey Peter, The statement "There is no "free speech" on any forum," is of course an erroneous statement that can be undermined by any single contradictory instance. Mangling logic to promote your agenda seems unnecessary, yet it seems to be the IK way of doing things. Speaking of "rules"; the IK Multimedia Wiki page violates the external linking spam policy with dozens of instances of direct linking to your commercial site. Who did you get to write all that stuff? Apparently, you are a web guru... here's some info that may be helpful: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Spam#How_not_to_be_a_spammer BTW, I'm not a IK Multmedia hater-vocal-minority-what-ever. I feel that IK's presumption that it can spam all over the universe with impunity seems somewhat charming. Heck, I'd probably do it too. In any event, I figure I'll try to have as much fun arguing with you as you guys seem to have arguing with us. :-) best regards, mike post edited by mike_mccue - 2013/08/13 16:32:01 #52
Smedberg Max Output Level: -87 dBFS Total Posts : 160 Joined: 2012/01/24 03:56:57 Location: Stockholm Sweden Status: offline Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks... 2013/08/13 16:39:01 (permalink) IK_Multimedia 1. There is no "free speech" on any forum, and it isn't any different on a company forum like IK's. You agreed to whatever rules were set out there on the IK forum and moderators do their job to enforce those rules and if you do not agree with the rules or the enforcement of said rules you are welcome to avoid using the forum or contact an administrator, etc to make your case. Seems pretty clear, and not unique to the IK forum. There is a big difference and that is that you don't allow any form of criticism or, "anything that can harm the reputation or sales of IK" on your forum. You don't allow any third party links, still you are on a competitor forum doing exactly that. There is a lot of companies with less rigid rules than yours. Actually I think all are... Time to open up your eyes maybe? #53
IK_Multimedia Max Output Level: -76 dBFS Total Posts : 723 Joined: 2009/12/04 19:31:19 Location: Worldwide Status: offline Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks... 2013/08/13 16:53:46 (permalink) Forums aren't free speech at all, sorry that's been a common thread covered at almost every forum ever. I've seen it come up at KVR, Gearslutz, every audio forum for sure - and many others. IK's forum is no different, and sorry if you don't like it you can provide the means to pimp other companies' products on their dime and time not on the forum IK provides. Seems pretty straightforward. The mods do their jobs, not always perfectly, but the job gets done. By the way, we don't manage Wikipedia or our page on it. Might want to read up on how that whole Wikipedia thing works. We'd certainly do it differently anyway, that's a terrible Wikipedia page and I wouldn't want to be held responsible for creating that! Thanks for the heads up, though. I find it charming that people make so many presumptions about our presumptions (what IK does "with impunity", what causes their posts to be "censored") too. Quite charming indeed, I'm glad you care enough that it touches a nerve, but I feel that it really shouldn't. By the way, there are a few similar companies with almost the exact same rule (and many like the rest too, it really isn't rocket science to figure out what people will likely try to do on your company forum and then not like it when disallowed) mentioned in THEIR forum terms too, and yes they are all fairly strict as well (and that doesn't even included another DAW maker who used to and may still only allow you to see subforums for products you own and have registered - restrictive? I suppose a couple here may think so, nor are we a DAW maker so I don't feel we're on a "competitor's forum" here either...). #54
The Maillard Reaction Max Output Level: 0 dBFS Total Posts : 31918 Joined: 2004/07/09 20:02:20 Status: offline Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks... 2013/08/13 17:03:48 (permalink) Customer service reps that argue with their customers; You guys are a debit to your profession. :-) #55
Smedberg Max Output Level: -87 dBFS Total Posts : 160 Joined: 2012/01/24 03:56:57 Location: Stockholm Sweden Status: offline Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks... 2013/08/13 17:09:31 (permalink) IK_Multimedia I don't feel we're on a "competitor's forum" here either...). http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/2870956 You see any similarities? And I think you have agreed to Cakewalks forum rules too. Is advertising allowed? #56
rtucker55 Max Output Level: -53.5 dBFS Total Posts : 2177 Joined: 2005/06/20 21:11:47 Location: Hope, Indiana Status: offline Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks... 2013/08/13 18:50:53 (permalink) I can't believe this thread has regressed this far. I personally have spent about $200 this week on IK multimedia products. I usually don't frequent the IK forums due to the policies that they have imposed but I support their Right to impose those polices on Their forums. It is an entirely different mater when IK Multimedia comes over to the Cakewalk forums and starts telling their Customers that IK Multimedia is Right and the Customers are wrong. I'm not really sure what your motivation for this action is but I personalty feel like you're causing more damage than you realize. Kind regards, Rick Purrrfect Audio DAW here. Wow!... #57
cclarry Max Output Level: 0 dBFS Total Posts : 20964 Joined: 2012/02/07 09:42:07 Status: offline Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks... 2013/08/13 20:41:55 (permalink) IK_Multimedia Guitarpima @IK Obi I NEVER said IK suck at what they do. I did say the IK forum is run like the gestapo. Why? Because there is no free speech there. Don't put words in my mouth when you can't even process what was said. If saying that ST3 has been touted as "in the works" for over 2 years now, that's not saying IK sucks. That's saying you guys at IK have been saying that for over 2 years now. Is that clear enough? So you guys at IK can keep on making great plug ins and saying ST3 is in the works. Please come back in 2 years when ST3 is done and let us know. Also, please let us know of other great plug ins along the way. I'll let IK Obi handle it from here forward, but just a one thing he may not have pointed out to you that should be crystal clear, and an offer to show confidence that your final statement about ST3 in 2 years is way off: 1. There is no "free speech" on any forum, and it isn't any different on a company forum like IK's. You agreed to whatever rules were set out there on the IK forum and moderators do their job to enforce those rules and if you do not agree with the rules or the enforcement of said rules you are welcome to avoid using the forum or contact an administrator, etc to make your case. Seems pretty clear, and not unique to the IK forum. 2. SampleTank 3 will be out by end of this year, 2013. If not, I authorize Obi to give you you a serial for T-RackS CS Grand and another for AmpliTube 3 with his and IK's compliments. That's a lot of $$ worth of software, and some crow to eat so you can see that this isn't a bet that is expected to be lost. I hope that helps. I'll let IK Obi take it from here. IK, We were fully aware that ST3 would be out by the end of the year... BUT, it's been promised for the PAST TWO YEARS previous to this...that is what he was saying... NOT that it wouldn't be out for 2 more years... AND, SampleTank has not been updated in the past 4 years...NOTHING!!! Yet your company finds the time and the resources to update everything, and even updates TO the updates, AND to develop 150 billion iCraps...while the ST line has gone untouched... That's what this thread has been about...IK's failure to "do the do" with SampleTank... I, for one, won't be buying it...or anything else IK, purely for this reason... and I'm actually sorry I wasted my money on Total Studio.... Everyone else, they'll buy whatever you put out...they're OCD about this stuff... But, when a company doesn't do the right thing by it's customers...I draw the line... I don't need any plugin that bad...sorry..just don't, nor will I recommend them to any of my peers...I may only be one person...but the world doesn't change unless ONE PERSON acts...I may lose the war...but I won't lose my money again... I'm not waiting another 5 years for an update to ST 3.....and there a lot of other "Fish in the Sea" to spend my dollars on... Wishing your company the best! #58
Guitarpima Max Output Level: -34 dBFS Total Posts : 4125 Joined: 2005/11/19 23:53:59 Location: Terra 3 Status: offline Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks... 2013/08/13 21:30:34 (permalink) My only beef with IK is the forum. Why even have a forum if your members can't help if you have a problem. I know all about the "you have to contact CS". The thing is, what if your working and could use the information quickly and someone on the forum can help with the problem and your back in business? Your CS seems awfully busy since IK Obi will get your ticket number and fast track you. It is nice oh him to do that but honestly, why should he have to? It seems to me that you can alleviate the work load of CS by letting people help each other on the forum. That's what I love about the Cakewalk forum. The good news is your mods over at IK are better at keeping the BS from getting out of hand but not all of it's BS. I hope you do get ST3 out this year. A lot of people have been waiting for a long time. I hope it's legible. I'm tired of buying software that's to hard to read. Notation, the original DAW. Everything else is just rote. We are who we are and no more than another. Humans, you people are crazy. Win 7 x64 X2 Intel DX58SO, Intel i7 920 2.66ghz 12gb DDR3 ASUS ATI EAH5750 650w PSU 4x WD HDs 320gb DVD, DVD RW Eleven Rack, KRK Rokit 8s and 10s sub #59
ohgrant Max Output Level: -35.5 dBFS Total Posts : 3966 Joined: 2007/03/27 22:53:01 Status: offline Re: IK announces NEW gear for Amplitube and T-Racks... 2013/08/13 22:05:54 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2013/08/14 22:40:10 IK2. SampleTank 3 will be out by end of this year, 2013. If not, I authorize Obi to give you you a serial for T-RackS CS Grand and another for AmpliTube 3 with his and IK's compliments. That's a lot of $$ worth of software, and some crow to eat so you can see that this isn't a bet that is expected to be lost. Betting in the software forum now? Oh my. So is the deal for the free crow for everyone or just Guitarpima? I'd prefer chicken though if there is an option. Me #60

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