Lexicon LXP or PCM? Which works better with X1b?

LXP looks juicy.

PCM must be a better match for Pro Channel... it has to be cause it costs 3-4x as much... right?

I think.

Yes? No? Maybe?


Anyone?

Forgive me, I know it's not what you asked, but have you considered Galbanum Aether? I have yet to hear a better reverb (IMHO), and it's cheaper than both of them.

benstat


Forgive me, I know it's not what you asked, but have you considered Galbanum Aether? I have yet to hear a better reverb (IMHO), and it's cheaper than both of them.

Nice tip there, I haven't heard that one before.   It sure sounded good to me.  Whether it's better than a Lexicon? 

Well...

I guess that's a matter of personal preference.   There's just always been something I like about Lexicon reverbs.

mike_mccue


LXP looks juicy.

PCM must be a better match for Pro Channel... it has to be cause it costs 3-4x as much... right?

I think.

Yes? No? Maybe?


Anyone?

> 480L was 7000.00 dealer cost..  do you realy think
your computer can do this.. http://cgi.ebay.com/LEXIC...mp;hash=item2a0e1a0c04

There is no math difference between the LXP and PCM (or between the hardware versions that I am aware of).  The PCM just has 3 more types to choose from.

It's FINALLY real lexicon reverb in native form.

"
700 more presets sounds luxurious... like hi thread count bed sheets. "


Agreed, I just couldn't justify it.  Maybe when I'm finally making money with music (I always come so close) but right now it's just an expensive hobby, and there's plenty else I would like.  For example that EWQL Hollywood strings sound awesome ! 

Well, it sure sounded that way from this review

http://www.soundonsound.c.../lxp-native-reverb.htm

"Many of the established manufacturers of digital effects and processing hardware have been cautious about making their algorithms available in plug-in format; and even when they have made the switch, the likes of Eventide have often stuck to the high-end Pro Tools TDM protocol rather than create native VST or RTAS plug-ins. So when Lexicon launched their PCM Native Reverb bundle earlier this year, it represented a major change of policy, and one that was widely welcomed by studio owners. The classic reverb algorithms that had previously been tied to rackmounting hardware were now open to anyone who had an iLok key, a suitable plug-in host, and £1174 in the bank."

Well, I know there are three more algorthins between the PCM, and LXP.   And you also get some more control with the PCM (and the presets).

But I think the algorthims are the same as in the PCM 96.   Especially since they use the same nomenclature.   And let's be honest, when you are paying $1500 for a plugin, it damm well better be the same math as in the hardware, lol.


Just so we are clear, the native versions both have the same math for sure, you just get more with the PCM.   Also, I'm 99% sure that the math is the same between the software and hardware versions.

I guess you could always call a sales person.  I'm sure they would be happy to answer your questions if you are looking at dropping $1500.

> Mike all joking aside I did a side by side with the lexicon 480l and the one in sonar, now i was able to come very close, but not perfect.. as for the 2 prgms your looking at seems to mee you would need both.....
EQ Type Limited Early & Late Reflections EQ
Flexible Space Modeling Room
tough call if i had to pick 1...and if this has no  Ilock..
it wont be like the 1 in PT's

Hey Mike, do yourself a favor and get demo versions and try them out for yourself.

Another one is Relab LX480. Not sure if the 'full' version is out yet.

Regarding Lexicon hardware units:
 
The 480L and 960L (recent model) are the most dense sounding units
The 300L was newer and more hi-fi than the 480... but not quite as dense
The PCM series was a cut-down of these units (less dense than the L series)
The LXP series was a cut-down of the PCM series (less dense than the PCM series)
 
The PCM software reverb sounds great.
That said, it doesn't have the super dense sound of the 480L/960L
As was mentioned, the Relab LX480 is (currently) the closest you'll get to the 480L in a plugin... but it's currently limited to a single Hall algorithm.
 
Lexicon reverb is known to be dense/lush.
Even though the PCM series isn't as dense/lush at their top-tier hardware... it's still luxurious sounding reverb. 

The PCM series was a cut-down of these units (less dense than the L series)

If you mean the PCM96 rather than the earlier PCMnn boxes, I wouldn't say it's cut down. It's a progression and refinement of Lex's reverb technology. And it can go very dense if you want it to.

Eotm: you wrote:
 I don't know if it's documented publicly, but the algorithms are exactly the same in both, and they're the same as in the PCM96 hardware box. This is according to the guy who designed them. The LXP just gives you fewer algorithms and fewer parameters to tweak in those algorithms, while the PCM lets you adjust every parameter.  Sound-wise, the LXP sounds exactly like the PCM given the same plugin parameters.
 
Do you know also something about the quality of the MPX native reverb plugin from Lexicon?
It costs almost nothing, f.e. here you can get it for $65 and LXP for just $ 130!

The thread is 2 years old

 
Hi Eotm,
 I went a step further and bought the Exponential Audio Phoenix Reverb and R2 from the person responsible for coding all the reverbs in the Lexicon hardware and software.
 
 It works great and the customer service is the best I have ever seen.
 
 
 best regards,
mike 
 
 

didap
Eotm: you wrote:
 I don't know if it's documented publicly, but the algorithms are exactly the same in both, and they're the same as in the PCM96 hardware box. This is according to the guy who designed them. The LXP just gives you fewer algorithms and fewer parameters to tweak in those algorithms, while the PCM lets you adjust every parameter.  Sound-wise, the LXP sounds exactly like the PCM given the same plugin parameters.
 
Do you know also something about the quality of the MPX native reverb plugin from Lexicon?
It costs almost nothing, f.e. here you can get it for $65 and LXP for just $ 130!

Hi Bob,
 I installed D and then Extended but I finally uninstalled SONAR X. I never had any stability problems with it unless I purposely made it crash just to see what happened.
 
 I consider the SONAR X series to be a de-evolution of a DAW environment and I consider most of the Pro Channel stuff cripple ware. I don't see enough pros to put up with the numerous cons.
 
When SONAR X2 came out I estimated that it took a couple steps forward and introduced some deal killers for me and my *I-actually-use-most-of the-application* work flow.
 
 I think it is the biggest P.O.S. that was ever an excuse for a DAW. I went back to SONAR 8.5 Classic Edition and I've been very happy to have made the decision. I mean really happy. It was a great relief to not have to look at that ugly GUI and it's clumsy design.
 
 I ended up buying Pro Tools 9, 10, and 11 as well as Presonus Studio One. I am going to buy the latest Cubase when I think I have the PT shortcuts and keystrokes memorized.
 
 Now that I have discovered the Exponential Audio reverbs I am feeling like I am learning more about reverb than I could have ever imagined thinking about.
 
 Every time I use it I think about the possibility of finding some sort of master class or discussion group dedicated to real in depth thoughts about how to make the best decisions when using it.
 
 Previously I would use a reverb and think that more gave you less and that tweaking just made stuff different and not better.
 
 The results I get when I make subtle adjustments with Phoenix just leave me thinking that I am finally hearing what I was hoping to hear all along and now that I can hear it I want to understand more about the interaction of all the parameters so that I can be fully expressive with it rather than just feel like a bystander trying out different settings.
 
 best regards,
mike
 
 

robert_e_bone
Forgive me, Mike (mike_mccue) - are you still using X1B, rather than X1D?
 
Just wondering why you did not install through the D upgrade, as those are maintenance updates that I found to be quite stable (x1d).
 
Bob Bone