THE MERE FACT THERE IS SILENCE NY ANY WOMENS GROUP or WOMAN/WOMEN MR DISCIPLE other than Sinead is proof
 
show me a link to where there was outrage your quick search I don't see high profile statements in the"main stream " media, maybe I don't have the proper mainstream???
 
BTW apparently you ASSUME I listen to Rush, I don't, and when you assume, well you know..
 
and you cannot see the implications of her actions,  not that is it just one adult woman who calls her shots just dancing sexually, its the desensitization to objectivity.
 
 
Mr Dub at the days end not one thing I say will sway your side, nor your epitomes sway those who find fault and pity for her.
 
The same "rights" she has to debase herself like that on national TV also gives you and I the opportunity to discourse about this and others.

Not sure how much I'm back-tracking from anything I posted earlier, but I actually watched the Wrecking Ball video.  The whole thing left me totally unaffected, I just thought it was crass - a bit weak, not especially shocking, not especially well done, just a bit pathetic really.
 
Girl's got a good voice, sad that she thinks the only way to get ahead is via desperate attempts to shock.  She's probably right thought - that's even more sad.
 
Ironically, as I type this I'm watching a TV program on the Sex Pistols (childhood heroes) and they just cut to one of the "older generation" describing them as "nauseating, disgusting and deserving of a quick death".

The wrecking ball video did not meet my expectations. 

musicman100
THE MERE FACT THERE IS SILENCE NY ANY WOMENS GROUP or WOMAN/WOMEN MR DISCIPLE other than Sinead is proof
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I think that we're a bunch of deloused-louses when we need proof for everything, and even then, we won't believe it.
 
Putting Sinead down, is as bad as appreciating what Miley did, when Sinead is trying to say in her own words, exactly what we are saying. That we don't like it. But we will castigate her because she has given "men", and their vindictive nature a big finger in the sky, and some of us take offense at that finger and think that she's just being a jerk saying that all men are trash. She says, more, that the music business has trash!
 
And that some of that trash has no ethics or standards except greed, money and how many women, or butts (as was the case in the 80's in Santa Barbara!), they can score!
 
There is nothing that any "feminist" can say here, or needs to say, not to mention that the media would NEVER play it or show it ... so Rush L's comment is a bit out of line! And he's merely getting his own free shots at something like this, by putting someone/something down, when the graces give him the blessing!
 
All it is showing is the hippocrisy behind it all ... and some of us do not want to hear Sinead say it, any more than Mosh or Bapu.
 
I remember a show I saw in Eugene about 10 years ago ... that was put together by a whole bunch of ladies, and they all performed. As I was walking in to the show, someone joked ... you gonna watch the show by all the lezzies? And I said, inadvertantly ... at least they have music. You don't!

SGodfrey
Hi Danny,
 
It's good to be able to discuss this sort of thing in an open and respectful way - I thank you for that.  I have to say I agree with most of what you say, but there's just one thing I want to raise and that's that there's quite a few guys here who are clearly great fathers or father-figures like yourself and Guitarhacker and in that environment it's not so much of a problem that the kid see's the over-sexualised material from MTV et al, because the parents are making sure that the kids keep things in perspective.  It's not the kids being looked after by guys like you I worry about but the one's from less functional families and let's face it, there's a lot of them.  Those are the one's that are easily influenced and they don't have the guidance from good parents that they should; for them it's not so clear what's right and wrong.  It's easy for a kid like that to go out, get high, get laid and never think about the consequences.  This is the world Miley is feeding into and like I say, I don't think it's something she's remotely considered it, which is sad.

 
Hi SG,
 
My feelings exactly.....nothing wrong with talking about this like civilized human beings. At the end of the day, each person can see things differently and really, they wouldn't be wrong unless they come on with a dictator-like commanding attitude. I also thank you for being so cool about it. :)
 
Yeah, I can see where you're coming from totally. But if we take Miley out of the scheme completely, we have more stuff going on in TV land that to me, can be more influential in a bad way. The net is the worst unless we totally lock up the options. For pete sake, youporn.com is so easy to get to....so many forms of corruption....this is why I spoke of myself, SG.
 
I live in a place where it's like turning on the TV. I have dabbled in bad stuff....but was aware at all times and never pushed the envelope. I'm sure all of us have stories where we felt a little out of our element and went to a place we shouldn't have, right? I can't expect my kids (if I have any ever lol) or anyone else's to NOT go down that road. Those experiences (as long as we're fairly focused) make us who and what we are. My experiences showed me the world. Some of them put the fear of God into me, some of them could be "controlled and enjoyed" others did nothing for me. But the experiences helped me and allowed me to investigate the good and the bad of life.
 
We can never shelter our kids from everything. But this is where I think parenting can really help. I had two of the best parents a child could ever want. I don't say that with any bias, I sincerely had incredible parents. My mom taught me all the clean ways of saying things. I wasn't allowed to say "I have to pee" I was taught to say "I have to wet". Or "I have to BM" or "move my bowels". When I'd come home and ask "what's this I gotta take a sh!t" talk or "what's a p***y" etc, my mom and dad would tell me the clean words for everything I asked. When I heard the F word, mom and dad talked to me. This was all done in 3rd grade, would you believe that? I kid you not.
 
So, though today's time may be worse, I'd say 3rd grade is a little early to be asking your mom and dad what a C U Next Tuesday is...but it happened. My point is, I was in the thick of sex, drugs and rock and roll from an early age. None of that influenced me to be a bad person other than the normal experimentation every person in this world experiences. We can't stop that from happening. But I knew that snorting Coke was wrong. I knew tha having unprotected sex would either give me a child or a diease for the rest of my life. I knew sex with numerous people would land me a bad name for ladies but a good name with the guys. A lot of this, I blame (in a good way) on my parents for instilling it all in me.
 
Though I feel for those that may not be as fortunate as I with incredible parents, if I could head-butt their parents into becoming real parents, I'd honestly risk brain damage to butt each one, one at a time. But at this time, I can't feel sorry for people as I once did because stupidity, carelessness and the lack of common courtesy and people being for themselves is at an all time high. This forces caring people like me to ignore or go into defensive mode because these people are so far gone, they don't have a conscious to begin with. The more we feel sorry for people and drop our guards, the more they prey on us because this is how they roll in 2013. With parents that care while instilling ethics, manners and self respect as well as respect to others at an early age, all this changes drastically in my opinion and the world as we know it changes also. We'll always have bad seeds no matter what, but the majority would have more of a chance with parental support and guidance.
 
Before I go....just for the record, as heavily as I am involved "in the business" I wouldn't have known about Miley's video if it weren't for this thread. I've listened to many of her songs and have done productions references for clients when I've had to, but I don't get too much into watching video's or learning about an artist these days. Proof that even when someone talks about another negatively, they have done nothing more than promote the artist they claim should be put in place. Like I said in my first post...."as long as they're talking about you, that's success!" ;)
 
-Danny