vladasyn
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We need Undo button back!
I have been asking this same question from the day Cakewalk got rid of Undo button somewhere in Sonar X1 or even earlier. How hard is it to make Undo button? If you have function already, why not make it a "Button" as it is in Word processors, even in this forum post editor? Every time we have to Undo, we have to go to Edit and make 3 steps to undo. It should be one click operation! I do not have keyboard on my lap when I play Keyboards or piano or guitar or record Vocals. For the vocal- I have to walk away from the mic, open keyboard, make lots of noise. What is the problem with Undo- why is it gone and has not been placed back disregarding of multiple requests? Thank you.
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Re: We need Undo button back!
October 04, 13 2:49 PM
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I thought ctrl+z did this already?
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robert_e_bone
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Re: We need Undo button back!
October 04, 13 2:49 PM
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CTRL + Z is the Windows default for Undo, and it works perfectly fine in Sonar, all versions.
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Re: We need Undo button back!
October 04, 13 3:28 PM
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It sounds like the poster of this question doesn't have access to her keyboard at all times. She has a mouse, though, so it was convenient for her to be able to quickly click the undo button.
The toolbars used to be much more customizable, with a lot of options for things like Save, Undo, audiosnap features, etc. If a person has come to rely on that, it can be bothersome to find that those features have been removed.
It might be possible to map a midi note to Undo, I guess, though that doesn't address the issue with guitar or vocals. If you have a wireless controller, like a Frontier Tranzport or iPod, it should have an undo button.
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Re: We need Undo button back!
October 04, 13 3:33 PM
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Wow, I never noticed they got rid of it, since I'm so used to using the hot keys. Could she possible use the key assignments to assign it to a mouse button? Assuming she has a multi button mouse.
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Re: We need Undo button back!
October 04, 13 3:36 PM
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not sure of your workflow but when you say "for the vocal- I have to walk away from the mic, open keyboard, make lots of noise" it sounds like you expect to be able to use your computer while you are not at your computer.
surely the different record modes come in handy here, allowing you to do multiple takes while muting previous ones, and then going back in to edit.
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Re: We need Undo button back!
October 04, 13 3:46 PM
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Although I've gotten used to Ctrl+Z and a handful of other keyboard shortcuts, I'd still like to have the option of a Control Bar widget that included Undo, Redo and Save.
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Re: We need Undo button back!
October 04, 13 3:50 PM
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If your keyboard sends midi you can probably set it up as a control surface. Using a couple of the buttons on the keyboard you could assign them as Undo and Redo.
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Re: We need Undo button back!
October 04, 13 4:12 PM
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Re: We need Undo button back!
October 04, 13 4:28 PM
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On my humungous monitor I have tons of spare room on the control bar. A widget that acts as a container for user-defined button-keystroke mappings might be very cool
I recommend submitting it as an enhancement request.
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Re: We need Undo button back!
October 04, 13 4:30 PM
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If you have a programmable mouse with a spare button.....
I have a trackball with the spare button set for undo
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Re: We need Undo button back!
October 04, 13 4:42 PM
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I have no need for an Undo button... or Save, or Open or any of the other standard Windows commands. However, I am completely on board with a customizable Control Bar module that could house whichever commands you choose. First step custom colored tracks, next step custom Control Bar module... 
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Re: We need Undo button back!
October 04, 13 4:50 PM
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Agreed, they should follow suit of how MS office does it's quick access toolbar. Totally customizable very flexible, if you don't need it remove it or place ones you want.
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vladasyn
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Re: We need Undo button back!
October 04, 13 10:49 PM
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How do you use "Control Z" if you at your keyboard, meaning synthesizer- the instrument with the keys? Unless it sits on your desk, I don't see how you can do the control Z. I have many keyboards in different locations. I am not always on one keyboard. I use plug ins, which have assignable keys specific for soft synth to change the samples. A key for undo would be hard to maintain when more than one keyboard controller is used. This should not be a problem- what was the reason it was removed? I feel like Sonar is oriented more toward the Desktop musicians who stay at their desk and have their typing keyboard in front of them. Or have sound guy recording live musician playing. When you play music instruments and record yourself, you are usually away from the desk, and dragging typing keyboard with you every time is not convenient. Where do you put the typing keyboard when you playing on Yamaha Motif 88 keys? I have to get up and walk back to my desk. And while I do stop recording to undo previously recorded clip with vocals, I still wear headphones on my ears and opening keyboard from under the desk makes lots of noise when using condenser microphone. I would program mouse- I do have a button on it, but I would not know how. I am sure, many people would benefit from simple Undo/Redo button where it used to be- it should not be that hard to implement.
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Re: We need Undo button back!
October 04, 13 11:53 PM
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I use a bluetooth keyboard if away from the desk, but my keyboard sits to the right side of my PC desk, so no probs. You must have your piano a long way away from the DAW then!
I can see an undo button would be nice, but I would hardly call it critical for 80% (my figures) of DAW users tbh.
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Re: We need Undo button back!
October 04, 13 11:56 PM
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For myself, I don't see having a clickable button for undo as much of a problem. Control-Z works just fine. It's not a desktop issue, because if you have access to a mouse, you usually have access to your qwerty keyboard as well. As for remoteing 'undo' via a midi controller, it's not an issue that is specific to Sonar, you'd have to manually assign a controller key to the 'undo' function in any DAW you might use.
I would think that in most cases for most people, the likely usage of undo is where you are seated at the desktop computer in front of your computer keyboard. This is where heavy editing happens. Somethings can via done via controller, but far more cannot.
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Re: We need Undo button back!
October 05, 13 0:17 PM
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We'll have to wait for panup to update Duckbar so we can have all these extra functions again.
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Re: We need Undo button back!
October 05, 13 1:56 AM
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I agree with this wholeheartedly!! I miss clearly laid out, customizable buttons/toolbars, etc. I really hate keyboard shortcuts.
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Re: We need Undo button back!
October 05, 13 3:47 AM
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☄ Helpfulby Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk] October 06, 13 10:03 AM
Lance Riley [Cakewalk]
If your keyboard sends midi you can probably set it up as a control surface. Using a couple of the buttons on the keyboard you could assign them as Undo and Redo.
Yeah. Or even (if the keyboard hasn't got any buttons and/or knobs) it's easy to setup MIDI shortcuts for the actual piano keys on the keyboard. vladasyn: You'll find this function in the keyboard shortcut window. Just change "type of keys" at the top left to MIDI (and make sure Enabled is ticked) After this it's just for you to start connecting keys to commands. To execute the commands you need to hold down what's called the Midi 'shift' key. This is to prevent you from executing commands when you're actually trying to play something. You set the shift key up to the right in that same window. Select a note you seldom play (far up or down the keyboard) to avoid executing commands when playing chords. By doing this you can control everything with the piano keys and you won't even have to reach the mouse.
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Re: We need Undo button back!
October 05, 13 8:59 AM
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I am so used to CTRL + Z that it is second nature to me. I keep the computer keyboard on my lap while tracking keyboard parts, and it is a super easy reach to hit CTRL + Z if I screw up on tracking a clip. No mouse, no fuss.
It's nice that there are multiple choices - THANKS Loptec - you posted a nice idea too.
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Re: We need Undo button back!
October 05, 13 11:29 AM
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Wireless keyboards are extra problem when using KVM switch (a switch between several computers to share the same keyboard/mouse/monitor). But this all is aside the point. So far I did not hear any reasonable explanation from Cakewalk that would make me understand importance of NOT having Undo button. If they said, "Because we use certain programing code, it interferes with other function and we were forced to give up Undo for the sake of something else and the entire program would fall apart if we implement Undo". then I would say, "Oh, ok, I understand. I will learn to live without it. But so far- it is frustrating because it feels- they took it out because they thought- nobody needs it. I want to know simple question: are there some technical programing reasons that require abandon Undo functionality or is it just bunch of guys who used to keyboard commands, decided, "Lets get rid of it- nobody will miss it". I appreciate all the suggestions posted, but I really do not see myself holding keyboard on my laps while recording. I like to be able to get up any time. My chair is too close- there is no room, it is not comfortable- I refuse to drag typing keyboard everywhere I go. It should be a matter of creating a simple link to the button. The function is already there- it is under Edit. Just link it to the interface- this should not be such a big deal. Thank you.
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Re: We need Undo button back!
October 05, 13 11:33 AM
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Loptec
Lance Riley [Cakewalk]If your keyboard sends midi you can probably set it up as a control surface. Using a couple of the buttons on the keyboard you could assign them as Undo and Redo.
Yeah. Or even (if the keyboard hasn't got any buttons and/or knobs) it's easy to setup MIDI shortcuts for the actual piano keys on the keyboard. vladasyn:You'll find this function in the keyboard shortcut window. Just change "type of keys" at the top left to MIDI (and make sure Enabled is ticked)After this it's just for you to start connecting keys to commands. To execute the commands you need to hold down what's called the Midi 'shift' key. This is to prevent you from executing commands when you're actually trying to play something. You set the shift key up to the right in that same window. Select a note you seldom play (far up or down the keyboard) to avoid executing commands when playing chords. By doing this you can control everything with the piano keys and you won't even have to reach the mouse.
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vladasyn
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Re: We need Undo button back!
October 05, 13 12:29 AM
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I appreciate pointing it out for me, also I am assuming- making a button for everybody to be comfortable right on the interface as it used to be would be more beneficial. If you can visualize a keyboard player set up- I have many keyboards. They located in both sides of my desk. I am not sure if setting it on one keyboard would mean- it would work from other keyboards. If I had to go that far- I would use Edit and 3 steps, as I am using now. The point is- it used to be on the screen, 1 click operation. Is there any reason it had to be taken away, and can it be put back?
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Re: We need Undo button back!
October 05, 13 3:38 PM
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vladasyn
I appreciate pointing it out for me, also I am assuming- making a button for everybody to be comfortable right on the interface as it used to be would be more beneficial. If you can visualize a keyboard player set up- I have many keyboards. They located in both sides of my desk. I am not sure if setting it on one keyboard would mean- it would work from other keyboards. If I had to go that far- I would use Edit and 3 steps, as I am using now. The point is- it used to be on the screen, 1 click operation. Is there any reason it had to be taken away, and can it be put back?
If you use MIDI shortcuts it'll work from all keyboards sending MIDI to Sonar What do you mean you'd use "Edit and 3 steps" .. I really don't understand why it's such a big problem not having an undo-icon. You say you have keyboards located on both sides of your desk. Why not use them to control Sonar then? You can undo your recording just by holding C0 and pressing C#0 for example. If you learn how to setup MIDI shortcuts I'm sure you'll find that very handy and much better than using the mouse to click a small icon
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Re: We need Undo button back!
October 05, 13 5:40 PM
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customizable buttons would be great! If I am in recording room I have a VNC connection from an IPAD to the PC. I can touch the record button but there is no Ctrl-Z button 
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Re: We need Undo button back!
October 05, 13 6:12 PM
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I bought a Microsoft suface for that exact purpose (remote desktop to my main PC) and having the snap in keyboard, so I can have all the controls. With an iPad you could easily get one of those Logitech blutooth keyboard holders. There's similar things for Android as well.
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Re: We need Undo button back!
October 05, 13 6:46 PM
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Submit a feature request to add undo to the right-click menu. That should be very easy to implement.
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Re: We need Undo button back!
October 05, 13 6:59 PM
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I've used the ctrl-z for so long I don't even remember the button.
But considering that everything is becoming more geared to touch screen navigation, it seems like all the buttons we've lost and forgotton should be re-implemented. It's time to come full circle on this.
Otherwise, we're headed to one of those multi-button mouse/jog controllers.
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Re: We need Undo button back!
October 05, 13 7:03 PM
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If I had time to use X3 I am sure I would wear out the undo button (if I had one).  J
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Re: We need Undo button back!
October 05, 13 8:38 PM
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I will likely never choose touch by choice, regardless of its presence.
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