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Re: X3c Coming Soon
2013/10/18 17:19:44
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fb.seeker After looking in from time to time this last year or two, this last month has been so much better on the forums. The gentler, more helpful(maybe gentler is in this), and overall feel of the forums have been so much nicer. Its a pleasure to skim read many of the subjects that yield answers for questions I would have asked in the future. b-marked a lot of them. Also the feedbacks from the Cakewalk folks seems to be a lot more active and helpful. This really helps put them more on my future list for very important parts of my music. This X3c update coming is great news also, even tho am newbie... Thank you to all the forum members, and also the Cakewalk staff.
I think you're right on that and I think there's a few reasons: 1. X3 appears to have been a much better release than the prior major releases 2. X3 has already seen more updates than X2, so even if X2A technically contained more bug fixes than X3A+X3B combined (which I'm not sure it did), the perception is that X3 is being better supported. 3. Cakewalk staff has been much more open and communicative this time around (there was a whole lot of silence following X2A) 4. There's probably a hope that the Gibson involvement is in some way, shape, or form, positively factoring into 1-3 All in all, I haven't upgraded to X3 and I'm still not sure that I will, but I'm seeing Cakewalk's recent actions as a nice positive step forward. I feel like if every Sonar release had gone this well, there'd be a lot less to do at Cakewalk right now in terms of fixing old bugs.
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Re: X3c Coming Soon
2013/10/18 17:42:29
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Here's hoping UX and usability get some love!
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Re: X3c Coming Soon
2013/10/18 17:54:04
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benjaminfrog Woo-to-the-hoo, Babies! SONAR X3c coming soon! Cakewalk is committed to making SONAR X3 the best version of SONAR ever. At AES today, we announced a brand new SONAR X3c update that will be coming later this month. This free update addresses fixes and enhancements based on feedback from the user community. This will be the third update since the release of SONAR X3.
Where did this come from, a forum post? edit: nevermind, i found it : http://www.cakewalk.com/P...-Free-SONAR-X3c-Update
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Re: X3c Coming Soon
2013/10/18 18:12:10
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WOWZA... X3c coming soon!! Fantastic work Bakers. Support has been stellar. Big THANKS to everyone. You guys ROCK!!
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Re: X3c Coming Soon
2013/10/18 18:25:31
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It is great that the company has been attentive to customers' needs and requests in this release. It is encouraging and boosts confidence that Cakewalk are more customer-centric now. May it continue.
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Re: X3c Coming Soon
2013/10/18 18:25:57
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Very Cool. Thank you to all at Cakewalk!
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Re: X3c Coming Soon
2013/10/18 18:30:59
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Very happy to see CW management care about perception..... having all these A, B, C releases, etc could lead one to believe that the software was full of bugs but as most of us noticed: 1) X3 was the most stable new major release in recent years 2) The A, B and C patches are coming with months of the release So, the way I hope this plays out is that the bakers are now aware of perception of its user base... the timeliness to issue updates (releases) to fix bugs this often has the perception that they care rather than they are forced into releasing something. I still can't get over the amount of time it took the bakers to fix the motorboating issues of 8.x... I do remember not using my DAW for what seemed like weeks until they released a fix for this major show stopper. And X2 only having one release before X3 and the fact that alot of the familiar bakers were bailing the company created some angst about the future of SONAR.... The last couple of months have given me a much better feeling toward SONAR that I have had in many years. THANKS GUYS, I for one have noticed. Jim
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Re: X3c Coming Soon
2013/10/18 18:45:53
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What are the additional features of the 3c patch????????? or fixes????
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Re: X3c Coming Soon
2013/10/18 18:58:05
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I've moved on to Cubase. However, iI must say that I'm rather impressed with the release schedule lately. Definitely a big improvement. Kudos guys.
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Re: X3c Coming Soon
2013/10/18 19:04:26
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Re: X3c Coming Soon
2013/10/18 20:12:39
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Sorry I'm late. Did anything happen whilst I was away? ;)
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Re: X3c Coming Soon
2013/10/18 20:59:22
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 .... ^ ^ ^ ^ X3 X3a X3b X3c
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Re: X3c Coming Soon
2013/10/18 22:27:23
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jkleban So, the way I hope this plays out is that the bakers are now aware of perception of its user base...
I think there are several ways to interpret it - and they are all good. One interpretation is that X1 and X2 were very ambitious ideas that never really got up to a production level of quality that worked for everybody. They took the decision that many of the problems couldn't really be solved with small patches, and so they decided to rewrite major sections of the product for X3. And I interpret the rapid patch cycle to be an indication that there are a fair number of smallish issues that they are eager to tidy up so that X3 can be a stable platform without too much of a demand for ongoing support. That will free resources to move ahead with new features for X4. I wouldn't expect a bunch of more patches through the rest of the X3 life cycle. It does appear that the user base has lately been very helpful in documenting problems in a way that helps the developers recreate and fix the bugs. That can make a real difference.
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Re: X3c Coming Soon
2013/10/18 22:27:29
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Wow - I am super-impressed ! ! ! !
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Re: X3c Coming Soon
2013/10/18 23:01:27
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☄ Helpfulby joel77 2013/10/19 09:58:43
I stay mostly quiet here even though I have been around since Cakewalk Pro Audio 2XL purchase in (I think) 2002. People have loudly and sometimes quietly(in my case) hoped or screamed for many things. Cakewalk of late since the Roland buyout have seemingly gone astray and turned a blind eye to the increasingly loud cries of their fanbase for change. Come X3. Just my take: people screamed about take lanes, automation, stability, frequency of bugfixes, audio engine gapping, workflow issues, color customization, VST3. I feel like whether anyone else has formally recognized it loudly or not: Cakewalk have come through BIG TIME with this release. One of the chief complaints was lack of updates. X2 for better or worse was an orphaned release. One could potentially argue the same of X1. With a corporate takeover, I hope people can cut them some slack but I can understand if they do not. Here they've been out a few weeks and they are pitching the third patch. These patches are rapid fire and they are meaningful and they are addressing real issues. You can write of the "A" patch because a lot of what that entails are issues they knew about internally but didn't have time to implement between code freeze and rollout. But we're going onto the "C" release in a few weeks. Obviously the concerns about responsiveness and stability have hit home. I am assuming we can expect to see X3F in this release at this rate if issues persist across the next 2-6 months. Likewise, toward Gibson/Cakewalk: YOU ARE DOING WELL RIGHT NOW: DO NOT MESS THIS UP AND STOP ISSUING FREQUENT PATCHES EVEN IF THEY LESSEN IN IMPACT until your customers stop having verifiable issues. BEST possible scenario for Cakewalk and customers is if they issue a few more patches and then offer misc hotfixes for specific issues, even if those are in the same vein as the fast track hotfixes of the past few releases. Seems to be after a few more official patches that further stabilize and deal with things, rather than withhold fixes from the X3 crowd and force upgrade folks to X4 with a new set of breakages, it would serve Cake's reputation and customer satisfaction to offer a few more hotfixes that are "untested and unsupported" for their customers who want to remain on X3 but fix things that are fixable without forcing an upgrade and potentially pissing off loyal fans by forcing them to adopt new buggy features to fix something. There is always the tradeoff and especially for folks who make a living from their DAW the upgrades are risky. About some of the enhancements that might have been unforeseen: - Gobbler: GREAT IDEA. perfect timing - cloud is perfect for offsite backups, but who wants to try to do this in carbonite when gobbler gets audio programs so much better? - Plugin arranging and detection enhancements - MIDI (and possibly audio) interface adjustments w/o restarting - Toasts to alert w/o intruding Then there are the enhancements many would have expected, done fairly well out of the gate: - Comping / take lanes - VST3 - Color customizations The new features this time around have had an all around better feel to them, in terms of initial stability and quality. *my impression* - does anyone strongly disagree? The whole systems feels like it's gotten out of the way a bit more, and that's a great thing. Glad that few are carping and most are praising - I think this release is in the right direction and the silence sucked leading up but given the takeover and the evident work that has gone into the new product - I applaud them. Hats off, Cakewalk! pete
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Re: X3c Coming Soon
2013/10/18 23:16:46
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satyatunes I heard video feature is getting some love in this update. Lets see.
No video in C sorry. We had our hands full sorting out as many compatibility issues as we could esp with the release of VST3. We wanted to resolve as many fundamental issues as possible before moving on to new features. We're still shooting to do some improvements in this area but can't announce anything just yet.
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Re: X3c Coming Soon
2013/10/18 23:30:24
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To the bakers: Thank you for continuing to develop a fantastic product.
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Re: X3c Coming Soon
2013/10/18 23:38:52
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@groove... very nicely written post! I agree wholeheartedly. @Cakewalk... Help enable collaboration with a forum dedicated to such, so *SONAR* users with similar interests can find each other and collaborate via SONAR (nice "sales pitch"). "Cloud" (to me) is in enabler, not a social medium, so *new* DAW users on external social mediums can easily be turned to a competitor. Best of all... no "patch" required Having had Cakewalk since "Guitar Tracks Pro," my frustration has been meeting many musicians over the years who play very avidly, and own no DAW whatsoever. Even when I take the time to show them "possibilities" they still are not sold (most do cover band work, so I guess this makes a little more sense to me). What adds the insult to injury is that most are IT folks to boot.
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Re: X3c Coming Soon
2013/10/18 23:59:06
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There were certainly many (including myself) who expressed concern over the lack of transparency pre X3's release. Personally I think the concern was warranted, but at the time I also stated that I was cheering from the sidelines for Cakewalk's future...I never cease to be amazed by the product's workflow. I'm very hopeful for the future given the quality of the X3 release and subsequent interaction by Cakewalk staff here on the forum. I'm still cheering... Regards,
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Re: X3c Coming Soon
2013/10/19 00:08:18
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bigboi I've moved on to Cubase. However, iI must say that I'm rather impressed with the release schedule lately. Definitely a big improvement. Kudos guys.
I bought C7 too, and was impressed by the quick and frequent updates that Steinberg released to stabilize the code base. However, I couldn't resist X3 and I upgraded to Producer to support CW and to take advantage of some of the awesome partnerships that they have established (namely, Celemony and XLN Audio). Now, I'm really getting back into SONAR since it's rock solid and feature rich, and I am thoroughly impressed with the current level of support and updates. In my opinion, if CW added chord track/assistant functionality to X3 and somewhat enhanced the score editing...Steinberg might have a serious problem. Maybe they already do, since the base version of X3 makes C7 Elements and Artist seem even more like demo software. G
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Re: X3c Coming Soon
2013/10/19 00:13:32
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
satyatunes I heard video feature is getting some love in this update. Lets see.
No video in C sorry. We had our hands full sorting out as many compatibility issues as we could esp with the release of VST3. We wanted to resolve as many fundamental issues as possible before moving on to new features. We're still shooting to do some improvements in this area but can't announce anything just yet.
Well Noel I hope that Cakewalk keeps that coffee cup full for you. You guys have been busy. Can't wait to learn what's cooking at the bakery.
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Re: X3c Coming Soon
2013/10/19 07:39:25
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk] No video in C sorry. We had our hands full sorting out as many compatibility issues as we could esp with the release of VST3. We wanted to resolve as many fundamental issues as possible before moving on to new features.
Noel, do you consider the stability issues with having multiple VST with Midi Out a fundamental issue, and will it be addressed in X3c? The release notes for X3b said it had been fixed, but it's till broken... Stability: - Resolved a crash when using direct MIDI output with multiple VST Instruments simultaneously, such as multiple instances of JamStix or Catanya (CWBRN-5781, CWBRN-2504, CWBRN-2564, CWBRN-1739)
I think your approach of looking to close down the fundamental issues before moving on to dev of X4 is a really positive step; with X3 addressing so many other user concerns straight out the gate, it seems this is really in reach.
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Re: X3c Coming Soon
2013/10/19 07:48:04
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I hope CW implement multi MIDI port input for VST3 virtual instruments
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Re: X3c Coming Soon
2013/10/19 07:59:30
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New update coming so fast ... THIS is the Cakewalk that fits in with my world.
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Re: X3c Coming Soon
2013/10/19 08:00:40
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☄ Helpfulby BluerecordingStudios 2013/10/19 12:31:47
>>I hope CW implement multi MIDI port input for VST3 virtual instruments Not for X3C - as I mentioned X3C has primarily bug fixes and a some workflow improvements. There is a new VST related MIDI feature though :) However I met with the VSL product manager yesterday and we had a nice chat discussing VSL and SONAR. No schedule or promises though since its vaporware at this point. It seems straightforward but until some more analysis has been done I won't know for sure. VSL is definitely a very cool product.
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Re: X3c Coming Soon
2013/10/19 08:06:17
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MattyBoy Noel, do you consider the stability issues with having multiple VST with Midi Out a fundamental issue, and will it be addressed in X3c? The release notes for X3b said it had been fixed, but it's till broken... Stability:
- Resolved a crash when using direct MIDI output with multiple VST Instruments simultaneously, such as multiple instances of JamStix or Catanya (CWBRN-5781, CWBRN-2504, CWBRN-2564, CWBRN-1739)
I think your approach of looking to close down the fundamental issues before moving on to dev of X4 is a really positive step; with X3 addressing so many other user concerns straight out the gate, it seems this is really in reach.
The original crash was definitely addressed - I reproduced and fixed it myself and tested with Jamstix. This is another variant that was not in our system. It probably won't make it into X3C due to time constraints but we'll definitely do our best to address it for the next update since its an important fix. Sorry for the delay but there have been a several lot pressing issues to address before this one.
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Re: X3c Coming Soon
2013/10/19 10:02:47
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Loving the updates! Thanks Noel and all the Cakewalk crew!
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Re: X3c Coming Soon
2013/10/19 10:59:50
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I am very pleased with Sonar X3 already. These updates and hearing from Cakewalk staff here and there on the forum has been extremely positive.
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Re: X3c Coming Soon
2013/10/19 12:32:54
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk] >>I hope CW implement multi MIDI port input for VST3 virtual instruments Not for X3C - as I mentioned X3C has primarily bug fixes and a some workflow improvements. There is a new VST related MIDI feature though :) However I met with the VSL product manager yesterday and we had a nice chat discussing VSL and SONAR. No schedule or promises though since its vaporware at this point. It seems straightforward but until some more analysis has been done I won't know for sure. VSL is definitely a very cool product.
Thank you very much for this info, so I hope it will be reality some day.
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Re: X3c Coming Soon
2013/10/19 12:52:53
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
MattyBoy Noel, do you consider the stability issues with having multiple VST with Midi Out a fundamental issue, and will it be addressed in X3c? The release notes for X3b said it had been fixed, but it's till broken... Stability:
- Resolved a crash when using direct MIDI output with multiple VST Instruments simultaneously, such as multiple instances of JamStix or Catanya (CWBRN-5781, CWBRN-2504, CWBRN-2564, CWBRN-1739)
I think your approach of looking to close down the fundamental issues before moving on to dev of X4 is a really positive step; with X3 addressing so many other user concerns straight out the gate, it seems this is really in reach.
The original crash was definitely addressed - I reproduced and fixed it myself and tested with Jamstix. This is another variant that was not in our system. It probably won't make it into X3C due to time constraints but we'll definitely do our best to address it for the next update since its an important fix. Sorry for the delay but there have been a several lot pressing issues to address before this one.
Noel, nice to see the level of transparency that you (and other Cakewalk staffers) have been showing recently. It's refreshing. As an unhappy Sonar 1-X2 user, who would love to be able to rejoin the fold one day, I hope this continues. From the outside, X3 looks like it was a pretty solid release. A few old bugs resolved (I've been in touch with Andrew already - waiting to hear back), and a few new features, and I'd probably jump right back on the Cakewalk ship if things keep trending in the direction they have been since X3. So kudos...
Intel i7 4790k, ASUS Z97-A mobo, 16GB Kingston DDR3 RAM, Windows 10 x64, UAD2 Duo, RME Fireface 800, Sonar X1/X2 Producer
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