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Re: Is Sonar powerful enough to make a full fledged album? 2014/01/07 06:56:52 (permalink)
It also maps to various digital drumkits that way, which is cool if you have one or a buddy who can play you some grooves. I can't record real drums at home and would need to borrow equipment left and right to set it up elsewhere but I've gotten pretty good "human sounding" drums by getting some midi parts from a friend. Usually it it involves adjusting velocities per instrument but it's still relatively quick.

So, equalizers, anyone? When do you use them and what are your favorite settings. Discuss.
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Re: Is Sonar powerful enough to make a full fledged album? 2014/01/07 08:13:32 (permalink)
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I'm just saying that the bundle of effects and virtual instruments falls short in a few areas, e.g.:

Brickwall limiter
Drums
Orchestral instruments
Hammond organ
Electric piano

Maybe not every user would consider these things important. It depends on your specific needs.

...the brickwall Limiter in the Nomad Bundle...Addictive Drums...the lounge lizard module...



I wasn't aware of Nomad, Addictive Drums or Lounge Lizard. So there's 3 more bases covered in X3, which obviously goes some way towards undermining my argument. But the Sonar bundle is still weak in some areas and I'm sure that I'm not the only user who relies on a few third-party plugins.


Well I would think that it goes without saying that any and all DAWs are weak in some areas and just some weaker than others. I'm just an AVID fan of SONAR (and yeah the pun is intended). SONAR is my home and the only time I even came close to jumping ship like I did with Pro Tools was when Cake violently pushed X1 in my face. I had too many projects going on to relearn how to use my favorite DAW and that business with changing the keystrokes just flat out made me livid. I just thought DAY'EM, I had half a mind to just go out and buy another Mac and see what's up with Logic Studio, Logic's nice too, but I just dabbled with it but pretty much ignored X1 [HATED IT] and carried on with a not even close to broken 8.5 [Still loved it]... But I really learned to really appreciate the ProChannel and Skylight with X2, and thought DAY'EM why didn't they think of this sooner? lol, and I'm loving the new bombs they dropped on us with X3. Some of which I can hardly wait to tryout and dig deep in to. Like the Nomad bundle, and Addictive Drums. It's like a box of chocolates, tear into it like a petulant child and you'll never learn to appreciate anything, and always just wanting more, more, MORE!
 Pease don't think I'm trying to being insulting, but who amongst us doesn't feel that way at times?
 
I'm certainly not without my beloved 3rd party plugins and VSTi's. WAVES, Native Instruments, iZotope to name a few.. I call them my "Flying Monkeys" and I'm not even close to being afraid to use them. But I'm not afraid to use the bundled FX plugins and instruments in SONAR either and really dig deep into them to fully understand what they can do, and they can hold their own with the "Flying Monkeys" doing the same things, just as good, but differently. I KNOW this because I've tested them on more than a few projects using nothing but came bundled with SONAR, and EVERYONE loved the results.
 
 And by all means, and for anyone else who hasn't, dig deep into the Sonitus bundle. Don't let the Windows 95 dialog box looking interface fool you, there are some powerful tools and vintage type goodies hidden in them presets and they will do the job.
 
 
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Re: Is Sonar powerful enough to make a full fledged album? 2014/01/07 11:01:42 (permalink)
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It also maps to various digital drumkits that way, which is cool if you have one or a buddy who can play you some grooves. I can't record real drums at home and would need to borrow equipment left and right to set it up elsewhere but I've gotten pretty good "human sounding" drums by getting some midi parts from a friend. Usually it it involves adjusting velocities per instrument but it's still relatively quick.

So, equalizers, anyone? When do you use them and what are your favorite settings. Discuss.

I have an old Roland OctoPad that comes in extremely handy for playing and sequencing drums tracks. Plus I'm not all that bad on my Edirol PCR-500 keyboard controller for adding fills and things, and I've been doing step writing, piano roll editing, and adjusting velocities for so long now it comes natural to me.
 Some people even think I'm a killer keyboard player. Truth of the matter is I'm actually a guitarist who is a very mediocre keyboard player at best, but proficient at MIDI editing through years of experience. I learned all about MIDI programming and editing back in the 80's from my Roland MC-500 using a TR-707 drum machine, and a Casio CZ 1000. By the time I read through the manual and finished the tutorial on step writing Mozart's Little Fugue in Gm I had a pretty good handle on it. LUCKY for me that General MIDI spec was in a great deal based on how Roland's original MRC language was written. In those days it was a VERY BAD thing to try mixing and matching different synths made by different manufacturers with their own proprietary ideas on how to conquer the market. 'Till this day I have a  long standing love/hate relationship with Korg and Ensoniq, but they do have their magic sounds and we can still get to them today thru softsynth plugins, and they are MUCH better and easier to use than the original.
 I had an original Korg MS-20 pre MIDI analog synth with a 1/4" jack patchpay. It could take hours to get that great sound I was looking for, and the only way to save it was to jot the knob setting and patch diagrams down on a paper template and stuff it into a paper folder. Than there was a MAJOR breakthrough with the Korg Poly 6, with had 4 banks of internal presets which was cool, but if you wanted more you had to do an analog batch dump that could only be saved to a tape recorder. Talk about "THAT SUCKS!" Now the MS-20 comes in the Korg Legacy bundle with a whole gaggle of presets, and I believe I can get to the Ensoniq thru either Dimension Pro or Rapture right here in SONAR.
 
I can't say I have any favorite EQ settings other than not using it at all, but filtering or rolling off any and all unnecessary frequencies is a good idea, and maybe boosting the sweet spots to season to taste and adjust frequency bands off from competing for bandwidth for each other on different tracks.
Yep, and that bring up another cool Plus for X3's ProChan.'s EQ or EQ's I should say, is the very handy built in real-time frequency spectrum analyzer that pops up when needed with the click of the mouse. That's another killer cool workflow enhancement.
post edited by Steev - 2014/01/07 11:16:25

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Re: Is Sonar powerful enough to make a full fledged album? 2014/06/19 09:27:51 (permalink)
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Reaper is gaining some popularity, and if I'm not mistaken Colby Caillat's hit of 2012(?) "Call Me Maybe" was done entirely in Reason.

 
Did you mean Carly Rae Jepsen? If so, that was definitely done in ProTools. All 56 tracks worth. Dave Ogilvie mixed it at the Warehouse in Vancouver.
 

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