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September 20, 15 8:35 AM (permalink)

Sonar export issue [ SOLVED ? ]

I downloaded the latest ipswitch update.

When i play back my mix in sonar all sounds good, but when i export audio my one " Arp " sound
get a lot more prominent and louder, this pisses me off... in sonar X3e i had no issues when exporting audio

http://postimg.org/image/svaud4xzh/full/

Why " fix " something that get messed up..
the other tracks seems fine, so i question what's happening ?

Audio examples, is further down in this thread

every sound is well balanced when i play the project in sonar. 

Seems like i need to revert back to hopkinton, if no one has a solution ?

To the bakers :
stop messing up what's already have been working  ( go back to X3e ) and look at the code again for audioexport... 
Concentrate on the core stability of the DAW... , i have said this several times... do anyone listen !!

I love new functions now and then, but really cmon .... seriously !! 

And the new 1 knob FX's ( MAX and GRIT ) boost the volume with no option to compensate output
rather than inserting a limiter to compensate for the the volume boost...., well that said...
 
People need to get the audio exactly, as the hear it in sonar when exported.... not with "some " hidden surprise's

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Re: Sonar ( ipswitch ) export issue September 20, 15 9:53 AM (permalink)

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Re: Sonar ( ipswitch ) export issue September 20, 15 10:38 AM (permalink)
No it is a plain audio export of the whole mix.

The soft synth has an arp as sound, and no automation or bounce.
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Re: Sonar ( ipswitch ) export issue September 20, 15 10:41 AM (permalink)
if you disable the arp, does it export ok?

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Re: Sonar ( ipswitch ) export issue September 20, 15 10:44 AM (permalink)
The arp is a part of the sound, but i can try another similar sound..
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Re: Sonar ( ipswitch ) export issue September 20, 15 10:47 AM (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Vastman September 20, 15 10:20 PM
I've done at least 20 exports of audio files since Ipswich came out. The only time I ran into a problem was when I had EQ in the master bus, brought the exported file into SONAR, and forgot to bypass the EQ - essentially the file was being EQed twice.
 
I recommend using fast bounce, that way there are no issues with potentially running out of computer power or latency during the export process.

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Re: Sonar ( ipswitch ) export issue September 20, 15 10:55 AM (permalink)
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The arp is a part of the sound, but i can try another similar sound..

well, it's not about the sound now, it's about trying to identify the cause of the problem (aka, troubleshooting) - you should, of course, be able to export the mix as it sounds, but if the export doesn't sound right, we need to work out why not, so we start ruling out possible causes  (like the recent arp bug introduced)
hth

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Re: Sonar ( ipswitch ) export issue September 20, 15 11:30 AM (permalink)
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I've done at least 20 exports of audio files since Ipswich came out. The only time I ran into a problem was when I had EQ in the master bus, brought the exported file into SONAR, and forgot to bypass the EQ - essentially the file was being EQed twice.
 
I recommend using fast bounce, that way there are no issues with potentially running out of computer power or latency during the export process.



Everything goes into the Master buss, and when i play the project all is fine

I guess what i hear in sonar, should come out the same same way, when i export the project
When i export i use fast bounce.
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Re: Sonar ( ipswitch ) export issue September 20, 15 11:50 AM (permalink)
I did a mix down with ipswitch, but when i hear it in windows compared to sonar, it is not the same sound at all
and that go for the whole mix..
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Re: Sonar ( ipswitch ) export issue September 20, 15 12:17 AM (permalink)
What happens if you import your export back into Sonar and compare the 2?
 
Route your input straight to your interface, bypassing the master bus.

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Re: Sonar ( ipswitch ) export issue September 20, 15 1:14 PM (permalink)
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I did a mix down with ipswitch, but when i hear it in windows compared to sonar, it is not the same sound at all



If you mean playing it through Windows Media Player or whatever, make sure that no sound "enhancements" are enabled in Windows or are specific to your computer. For example, in my HP Elitebook...
 


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Re: Sonar ( ipswitch ) export issue September 20, 15 1:55 PM (permalink)
I have tried different versions :

* Ipswitch
* Hopkinton
* Foxboro
* Cambridge

All with the same result, so it has to be with prochannel, or platinum itself.
Need to solve this, in a way.
 
I need to install ipswitch again and look further.
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Re: Sonar ( ipswitch ) export issue September 20, 15 1:56 PM (permalink)
Quite right Craig.
 
This is why accepted wisdom when troubleshooting exports is to verify it's accuracy in Sonar before unleashing it on the outside world.

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Re: Sonar ( ipswitch ) export issue September 20, 15 2:02 PM (permalink)
My Audio interface settings :


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Re: Sonar ( ipswitch ) export issue September 20, 15 2:11 PM (permalink)
That is Windows sound. You need to check what Sonar is using and how its setup. Preferences /audio.

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Re: Sonar ( ipswitch ) export issue September 20, 15 3:09 PM (permalink)
Ok i downloaded Voxengo recorder an put it on my Master BUSS, hit play in sonar and recorded the master

The sound of the recorded file with ( voxengo recorder ) is exactly what i hear in my DAW ;-)

EDIT: Sound examples deleted

there's no change in EQ or other..., just different way to mixdown

Now tell me what's wrong ?
 
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Re: Sonar ( ipswitch ) export issue September 20, 15 3:17 PM (permalink)
You may also need to check what you are using to play the exported file with.  I had to turn off some options in  AIMP3 (the MP3 player I use on the PC) to get it to play back my files without EQing and altering it.  Many media players have defaults to make audio files "sound good" that will color what you hear when you use it to play the file back.
 
If you create a new Sonar project and load just the exported audio into it, is it wrong?  If you load the file into a wave editor (which usually don't apply DSP effects by default) is it wrong?
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Re: Sonar ( ipswitch ) export issue September 20, 15 3:19 PM (permalink)
i use windows mediaplayer, but there's no activated EQ or other junk on that, so forget that one.. ;-)

I have uploaded to soundcloud so you all can hear the difference
in the above post from me, you can clearly tell the difference by those two.

I need to know why it is so.... Solutions plz ?
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Re: Sonar ( ipswitch ) export issue September 20, 15 3:22 PM (permalink)
In your first screen shot where you show the export, Sonar in the background is running at 44.1khz 24bit.  Your export dialog is exporting 44.1khz 16bit with triangle dithering.  That will change what you hear in the exported file.  Export it using the same settings as you are using to play it in Sonar.  Dithering is almost always a bad idea in general.
 
 
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Re: Sonar ( ipswitch ) export issue September 20, 15 3:24 PM (permalink)
So you suggest i shall mixdown in 24 bit 44.1 khz.. then reopen it in Wavelab to convert it to 16 bit !!!

Why do we have the option to render to 16 bit in sonar then....
( when rendering to 16 bit, i guess dithering is there for a reason.. no ? )

I never had this problem in X3, duhhhh
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Re: Sonar ( ipswitch ) export issue September 20, 15 3:27 PM (permalink)
Are you saying you just exported the project in both X3 and Platinum and the exports are different?
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Re: Sonar ( ipswitch ) export issue September 20, 15 3:29 PM (permalink)
Try the better dithering options, triangle is not very good.  Here's a post with some useful info:
http://forum.cakewalk.com...ithering-m1825218.aspx
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Re: Sonar ( ipswitch ) export issue September 20, 15 3:32 PM (permalink)
No I use Sonar Platinum, project is the same.... ( i do not have X3 installed ) for a reason ...

* the first is ordinary mixdown from sonar to 16 bit wave

* the second is a ( vst waverecorder ) from voxengo on my master BUSS
recording directly from my Buss to a 16 bit wavefile.


So there's for sure something strange with sonars mixdown chain !

So cakewalk / Bakers : A solution plz
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Re: Sonar ( ipswitch ) export issue September 20, 15 3:39 PM (permalink)
Voxengo Wave Recorder does no dithering, it just truncates.  Try that for your export option.
 
Also do a 24 bit no dither export and see if it matches what you hear first.
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Re: Sonar ( ipswitch ) export issue September 20, 15 3:48 PM (permalink)
forget the dithering, that's not the issue...

The problem is Sonars Mixdown, you don't get what you hear...

As i said before i never had this problem in X3 ( what i did hear in Sonar X3e )
was what i got regardless of bit depth ( 24 bit or 16 no problem ), when i did Export audio
also regardless dithering or not.
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Re: Sonar ( ipswitch ) export issue September 20, 15 3:49 PM (permalink)
Ill re post for you guys again :

EDIT: Sound examples deleted

Huge difference.
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Re: Sonar ( ipswitch ) export issue September 20, 15 3:50 PM (permalink)
i don't assume anything - where I'd your arp sound routed to - the master - sub and/or possibly a headphone mix. Then when your exporting the song is there any other outs where the sound is being added to the export.

In the past I would be adding unknowingly my headphone out to my master out causing them to sum for a louder and distorted mix than what I would hear when listening to my mains...

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Re: Sonar ( ipswitch ) export issue September 20, 15 3:52 PM (permalink)
When exporting did you try using Master Bus only in the export settings?
Are you exporting a wave?
 
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Re: Sonar ( ipswitch ) export issue September 20, 15 3:52 PM (permalink)
all instruments softsynths are routed to the master BUSS
nothing more nothing less quite simple.
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