One more thing...Just saying...According to market policy and law...it is illegal to gain inside knowledge and use this to fix markets, or plan product projections, and plot for.
 
Is this underhandedly being done by OS win 10 and others now taking inside info from consumers and their habits in shopping methods and buys...?...Join in?..or do not Join in?...are choices!...seems MS win 10 has taken that away!.
 
I hope you understand that this if found in support of...could land people in prison!.and if tied to the public...what will happen if found so doing to the public letting it be done...supporters?...might be said they are in court!
 
Fixing markets is not a good idea...and in essesnce, although not said, or even known they do it.???..it is being done, and violates the world markets by breaking...Laws!...So choice?...is up to you?...not anymore if installing some things onto your systems that allows for that to be done!
 
Again Just saying...if talking policy and law!

Easy solution: when the EULA screen is displayed during installation, click "Decline".
 
Regards,
Dan

What exactly is the industry doing?....spying!
 
Now you put it in other words...Do you as a industry have rnd?...Then use it!
 
As a developer You should have not only the tools to do the baking..but the machines to test you products before release!
 
Do not put the owness on me or others , using words like..."I do not understand what the industry is doing"
 
I certainly do!...You are stinging people along in some circles promising the world in a box...and then selling it to unsuspecting consumers who then have big problems trying to get it going!..on system over specified speced machines to your saying it does work with....But never giving the total tweaks to get it to do so....and the os undermining that process you put your platform on as your choice!
 
Yah turn off auto updates, turn off anti virus, turn off some settings here and there..Thus tweaking the system..Is only found on the forums and tech support gurus,after buying....Help?...well should this be known?...and if it is, then you are now saying..No we will fix it, as you pay and we spy?...leave our setting of auto sending and service run....When it is well known these things cause glitches by devote forum members who taught me.
 
 
Now what are you doing.?..is not truly being disclosed..(but Being forthright with this is not bad in saying...it is bad in doing) so you use a good policy of telling people what you plan in future (yet know it will cause issues with some systems).if the reverse is now being done...not only by OS, but others...this is cummalitive on the machines that are infected with such crap, which does cause cpu usage to run higher ,with the services n loggers doing it....SO yah, you and your industry is causing issues on users to some respect, to solve them for a cost to be gained on the other hand..it does seem!!!....what logic is that?...There is no logic......And putting detrimental code to do so, may cause people more issues to tweak, or troubleshoot, which is another industry of it's own to cost more for to get done....The standard is to feed them also?........Right!....And a machine that does not do what was intended to be used for in doing with....But doe not do..and is turned into a marketing platform for not the user!...Makes it redundant if it does not work as specified for the users needs....I did not buy my machine to ba a advertising plantform for MS or CW or to improve their products...I bought it to use their products!...on the box, with the words well said there on, under  agreement!...but not saying what it truly does not do, or now does, or will do down the road as is now being noted by users!
 
So Policy....put the agreement on the box.
Policy...if it does not perform as labled...refund the open products with in thirty days of testing.
 
And stop with the hidden sale of tech support, in subscription tactics now going bent!...this is a secondary industry.""intel gathering"..that is caused by crap like this being done to sabotage users , to some degree., to fuel that tech support line with moe money!...And do not say it is not so...Because I am logging it right now, and ever since I started with computers and the tactics used by industry!
 
 
Best of luck if you do employ it.
 
...I will be reverting my year subscription, as i do not want part of the dracon practice screwing up my machine....
 
I got tape machines that work, that will do all this recording stuff for me...and other options with less of the mistrust festered by industry to suffer on my end, and bent world order now doing on the other festering fear to cause decent and mistrust now in play....in the world using the we need you to give up your privacy so we can employ our mistrust!
 
...by using other OSes and software, I will learn new ways to avoid these mongering war mongerers!.
 
Unfortunately I like Sonar Platinum very much....But I do not believe the spy vs spy needs be put on my machine, to continue someones bent warfare, inspecting and emplying I am a threat, or could be suspect in their bent thinking... without due facts or charge!
 
That need to be suspected and spied upon, to find dirt, or put it in to take out who ever they believe needs be punished by that draconian law!..../ and perhaps held liable for information on my buying habits and devices used...to unbalance and falsely stack the markets to gleen from there investments also, with said info!
 
..There is enough of that in the bent world causing death and war and hate!...I want no part of!
 
So keep that mistrust out of my head, and my machine please///If you want me to understand that industry you say I should trust, then trust me, and keep that stuff out of my machine!...You are helping to manisfest mistrust by doing this along with the MS people now under some military rule!
 
Or I unplug wipe out and move to other OS and developers whom I will feel gain that trust, by giving me a platform that is stable and working without cpu inturption by spy ware and such working to undermine my efforts!...
 
this is another choice people have,but are lulled by bling bling...seems another industry standard now in play...and leaving bugs that have plagued many well over due to address....am i paying for this?....yes....should not be charged for as I paid for this to work when I bought in x1...as stated.and in trust I paid for fixed till now.....so, my trust has been now proven, that you fix the bugs only when paying for the bugs to be fixed...and...if you do not pay...you keep the bugs that are not supposed to be there!.....The only intent to fix the bugs in future, is used to impose more cost to the user, and more bugs to be employed onto the user down the road as so noted, to fix more bugs at a price based charge...down time...lost rev if used for...and cost to fix broken and or burnt devices, yanking and moving and trying to get that bliss promised by that same industry...I am now enjoying after a nightmare of tweaks and cost to get to this...You want to put on my machine what I spent most of the two past years trying to defeat?.........Crap!
 
...yearly charge to fix bugs is not part of fixing bugs that should not be, under system specified states, or over specified specs running should encounter under install instructions, using gear and devices of the nature expressed worked as of time of sale or purchase...By law this practice then can be expressed as false sales, and the consumer is protected by a law, that if the product does not work as specified or causes harm...it is mandated that the product be returned for full refund and any surcharges , and or can be sued for any damages done, if found falsified specification or practices were used to mine the consumer....It is called Fraud!.
 
If these issues/bugs put in or allowed to be released, are then used to gain more income by said "industry"...the lies told, or truths told, are on the box to prove, disprove the statements by testing or use there of... and your  methods to fix broken code or gear to that user who cannot use said product due to those mis-worded sales tactics to gain buyers into the loop of promises...is then lead down the update and pay path of constants.
 
A tape deck has no such issues ...plug it in, push play, record or bounce to open track...and it does it...if it does not do, you send it in to be fixed...if under warrenty...it is free!
 
This industry seems to have different policies...locked inside unseen until that box is opened, ans used..or trying to use...only to find a gauntlet of tweaks and services causing crashes and other issues to the constantly fix troubleshoot and pay for....getting it to work....updates and driver hunts...and lots of pointing fingers, on wild goose chases to fix...
 
do not tell me this is not being done.
 
And as some issues are being solved..by users paying for....you are being paid to solve them, and now using that user base to do so by taking from them?....and not paying...and users do solve by making work arounds!
 
So you are now if employing this tactic to use users as your RND...payment for!
 
and taking my data, to make your product better, can be seen as saying..your product is not good at all...
 
So i can twist words....and now, we know so can you!
  Policy does that also!

ampfixer
Why do people come here to lose their minds?

To be fair, that ship sailed way before...
 
Dan
 

I would like to hope folks can keep Cakewalk's upfront indication that they would like to begin collecting data for their internal use in helping them meet our needs as best as possible for their own development purposes, separate from whatever any other company on the web or on the planet is doing.
 
1) Cakewalk has indicated upfront they will begin collecting Sonar usage data.
2) They allow individuals the means of turning that completely off, if really desired.
3) It seems a whole bunch of folks use their products that did not respond to past user surveys, so they are likely attempting to get better data - they have no nefarious desires to sell anyone's Sonar usage info to others.  They have been completely upfront about all of this.
 
Bob Bone
 
 

gunboatdiplomacy
I'm all for analytics.  Cakewalk seeing where I point my mouse is the least of my digital worries. 

Me too.   I kinda like the idea of CW collecting data that represents my workflows, preferences, etc..  After all, it's not some government developed mind-reading software that scans my brain and reveals all my deepest, darkest secrets.   It's a DAW.   
 
And just as much, I'm all for CW making it known ahead of time and providing the option to disable it for those not in the same frame of mind.   Use it or don't.   Pay monthly or don't.    Choice.
 

brconflict
Good stuff can be done, if done responsibly.

Yup!
 

elegentdrum
All of the time will not be allowed by anybody trying to put together a pro studio. Typically a real studio leaves the sound computer off the web.
 
 

 
 
I dunno about that. That seems like an outdated position to me.
 
It's 2016. I'm not getting tape reels off a courier or anything. And the rate at which I receive and send files for work, which is all day, every day, it would extremely inefficient to not be connected to the internet all the time.
 
If I was running a multi-room studio, then yeah, I'd probably have the music computers off the internet, but connected to an internal server that was on the net. But since I'm not, there's not a whole lot to be gained from not having a direct connection.