Snehankur
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/02/18 12:00:19
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sharke
The only thing with that transpose slider is that sometimes I try and quickly go up or down and octave and wouldn't you know but the darn thing seems to hit everything but 12 semitones. So I flip between 11 and 13 semitones and the resulting out of key music just adds to my stress levels 
Hi Sharke, Hold down Shift and use scroll wheel.... 1,2,3,4...11,12,13... Stress level reduced? Regards Snehankur
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/02/18 12:24:46
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olemon
I don't really have an opinion on the matter. I'm not a power user, just a hobbyist.
I did subscribe, but I haven't updated recently. I'm still apprehensive about updates due to the problem reports posted....
Really, you don't need to be. The rollback option works, and many of the bugs probably won't relate to your particular workflow or situation...if they do, roll back and check the next month's eZine to see if the issue was fixed. I'll give you a good example. Recently, there was a feature added where track templates can recall Aux Track and Patch Point assignments. It works fine, with one exception: If you have a blank project with nothing at all in it and start off by loading a track template with Aux Tracks or Patch Points, those tracks will default to the hardware interface input. Technically speaking, that's a bug and it will be fixed, but it doesn't cause any problems...and it was something SONAR couldn't do at all previously anyway.
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/02/18 18:04:15
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Snehankur
sharke
The only thing with that transpose slider is that sometimes I try and quickly go up or down and octave and wouldn't you know but the darn thing seems to hit everything but 12 semitones. So I flip between 11 and 13 semitones and the resulting out of key music just adds to my stress levels
Hi Sharke,
Hold down Shift and use scroll wheel.... 1,2,3,4...11,12,13...
With focus on the key+ widget, square bracket keys, [ ], transpose down and up by octaves.
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sharke
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/02/18 18:20:33
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brundlefly
Snehankur
sharke
The only thing with that transpose slider is that sometimes I try and quickly go up or down and octave and wouldn't you know but the darn thing seems to hit everything but 12 semitones. So I flip between 11 and 13 semitones and the resulting out of key music just adds to my stress levels
Hi Sharke,
Hold down Shift and use scroll wheel.... 1,2,3,4...11,12,13...
With focus on the key+ widget, square bracket keys, [ ], transpose down and up by octaves.
Excellent stuff. However I think I just found a bug. I suspected that the scroll wheel without a keyboard modifier would transpose in octaves, but in fact it transposes in 13 semitones. Now that can't possibly be intended. I'll report it, but I suspect it's one of those age old bugs which has been reported a thousand times before but ignored....
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/02/18 18:45:39
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I'm okay with new features but I'd rather see actual functionality baked into Sonar rather than more pointless fluff like Style Dials or Rapture Session. I think we can all agree that things such as comping/take lanes still need work. I'd still like to see a Scratch Pad type feature added into Sonar much like Studio One uses. AudioSnap still needs work. We still need proper BPM detection and a new time stretching algorithm. I'd like to see more done with the existing features like Step Sequencer and Matrix, an overhaul on the piano roll...
Last year was really good with patch points, upsample, synth recording and Start Screen. Plus the bug fixes have been great. More of that, please!
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/02/18 19:30:00
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TerraSin
.. I'd still like to see a Scratch Pad type feature added into Sonar much like Studio One uses.
Open a second blank project and try use that as a scratchpad, see what you think. The Studio One designers are sticking to a single-window philosophy and the Scratch Pad is a kind of a work-around. Not my idea. Credit: Craig Anderton
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/02/18 19:51:07
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I don't have any better ideas..... I'll just hang in the corner til the next update.
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/03/05 20:12:17
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Just +1 Please fix bugs  Professional use is limited because of them...
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/03/05 20:21:41
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Thel bakers seem to be quashing lots of bugs each month... a good balance between new things and bugs...for different audiences. I would be one of many hoping for more focus on workflow improvements as detailed in many of the suggestions threads... console folders, expandable faders, a new arranging system, template color retention, etc... MY professional use will be enhanced with them...
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/03/06 04:15:20
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Hi, my membership ends at March 26 and I won't renew. During the last year of rolling updates there was only a few things that helped me with my daily work. Most of the stuff added may be nice for some people but I wasn't one of them it seems.
Features I use and need did not get any attention and stayed bugged like transient detection or clip group copy. Also there are some really annoying bugs with automation copy from track to track, take lane behaviour and the idiotic need of a average tempo in audio snap and audio stretch which makes it nearly impossible to change tempo in complex projects (including audio). Before the last year I used Sonar nearly for everything, the last year having two subscriptions (Cakewalk and Avid) I used both programs equally, depending on the kind of the project. But because of the development Sonar has made the last year, there are less and less things that make me stick to it.
The melodyne ARA integration, fast comping and the ProChannel are really great features. But everything else I use does not meet my workflow so much, being better off with another program.
I hope my posting isn't taken personal by anyone, I just tried to explain why I think Cakewalk should do more fixing and improving existing features than adding new (in my opinion useless) ones (add track menue? Sry, don't get it).
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charlyg
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/03/06 16:14:10
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jatoth
Charlyg, You obviously don't do a lot of MIDI editing. Some of us do. Why chime in and post that you don't need or want that fix? A bit narcissistic, no?
Fixes help everyone, including Cakewalk. The more stable Sonar gets, EVERYONE wins.
I vote for at least a few months of just fixes and stability issues. NO new features.
And I don't agree. Not any more narcissistic than wanting YOUR fix. There are more to bug fixes than a couple of lines of code. It may be integral to the whole program, and have to be rewritten from scratch. How is it that you know it's fixable? Asking for a program to not improve itself(features count) in one area so that it can fix another is a pipe dream. Unless your involved in the programming, you are as clueless as I. And the program will also be obsolete in a few years as the competition passes it by with new features that SONAR decided the users didn't want(bug fixes only). I am also pretty sure it's not the same people writing new code as writing fixes...... Which means the skill set may be different.
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Bristol_Jonesey
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/03/06 16:44:45
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☄ Helpfulby jshep0102 2016/03/06 17:08:29
The only thing we know for sure is that there are separate coding teams for bug fixes and feature development so there's no resource compromise here yes?
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jpetersen
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/03/06 16:58:50
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Bristol_Jonesey
The only thing we know for sure is that there are separate coding teams for bug fixes and feature development
This encourages what is called "Throw-it-over-the-wall" development and may explain what we are seeing.
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/03/06 17:05:04
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I would think it points to having enough people working to be able to do it all fix and create.
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Snehankur
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/03/06 18:59:58
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charlyg
jatoth
Charlyg, You obviously don't do a lot of MIDI editing. Some of us do. Why chime in and post that you don't need or want that fix? A bit narcissistic, no?
Fixes help everyone, including Cakewalk. The more stable Sonar gets, EVERYONE wins.
I vote for at least a few months of just fixes and stability issues. NO new features.
And I don't agree. Not any more narcissistic than wanting YOUR fix. There are more to bug fixes than a couple of lines of code. It may be integral to the whole program, and have to be rewritten from scratch. How is it that you know it's fixable?
Asking for a program to not improve itself(features count) in one area so that it can fix another is a pipe dream. Unless your involved in the programming, you are as clueless as I. And the program will also be obsolete in a few years as the competition passes it by with new features that SONAR decided the users didn't want(bug fixes only).
I am also pretty sure it's not the same people writing new code as writing fixes...... Which means the skill set may be different.
I think its not only the question about the mix between people writing codes and writing fixes.. its about the focus as well. No attention towards long time requested MIDI features. There is no sign whether Cakewalk has any plan for enhancing MIDI. Regards Snehankur
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Anderton
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/03/06 19:23:59
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I hope the positive response to the fixes and optimizations in recent updates lead to them doing more. The only problem is then people will complain that there aren't new features, like an arrangement track.
Maybe the solution is even-numbered months = mostly bug fixes and optimizations; odd-numbered months = mostly new features. So something like fixing the long-standing remove silence issue would be a fix, and something like ACT 2 (which I would prefer to simply fixing the existing ACT) would be a new feature.
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Snehankur
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/03/06 19:32:07
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Anderton
I hope the positive response to the fixes and optimizations in recent updates lead to them doing more. The only problem is then people will complain that there aren't new features, like an arrangement track.
Maybe the solution is even-numbered months = mostly bug fixes and optimizations; odd-numbered months = mostly new features. So something like fixing the long-standing remove silence issue would be a fix, and something like ACT 2 (which I would prefer to simply fixing the existing ACT) would be a new feature.
That would be nice! At least the bakers will get more time for thinking and developing something REAL new. Its not easy to think 12 new features, develop and deliver them within a year with a criteria of being 30days interval. Regards Snehankur
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jpetersen
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/03/06 19:39:56
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Having to work like that would drive me insane. Some bugs may be easy, most will require some uninterrupted time to do properly. Most effective is when the original developer fixes the bug.
post edited by jpetersen - 2016/03/07 04:24:16
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jpetersen
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/03/06 19:49:37
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☄ Helpfulby FanCake 2016/03/06 23:41:08
charlyg
...And the program will also be obsolete in a few years as the competition passes it by with new features that SONAR decided the users didn't want(bug fixes only).
From my experience with other DAWs, Sonar is quite advanced by comparison. It owes it to itself to take a breather and go back to clear up the technical debt it has accumulated over the years.
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/03/06 22:33:03
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I'd like to see areas blitzed with fixes and enhancements dealt with in conjunction. So for my bugbear (pun not intended) staff View, for the bugs to be identified, enhancement to be identified and for this to be implemented in a short time. Any new bugs related to this to be addressed within a few months whilst all the info is still fresh with the programmers. So with any given release, you'd think of it as the one that addressed staff view, or Piano role view, mix view etc. So you get a balance between features and fixes at the same time. That in turn will create suggestions for for further changes, some easy, some requiring some planning. But with all the work fresh in place, it could inspire some further ideas from the bakers. We may have too wait 9 months to see these new changes, but in every given year of membership, you'd feel that every area became addressed. Nothing and no one felt neglected.
Some areas are bigger than others, so you may see a blitzing occur over several months for some areas. Of course if one area received a chunk of fixes and releases in month month, it would probably equate to several months in the background, with things being dealt with in parallel.
I would like to see the program as a master of all trades, but it's a jack of a few at the moment.
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Anderton
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/03/06 22:35:30
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jpetersen
From my experience with other DAWs, Sonar is quite advanced by comparison. It owes it to itself to take a breather and go back to clear up the technical debt it has accumulated over the years. Good point.
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Re: No new features - just fixes please
2016/03/09 22:24:36
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jpetersen
Having to work like that would drive me insane.
Some bugs may be easy, most will require some uninterrupted time to do properly.
Most effective is when the original developer fixes the bug.
I could not agree more.
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